https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/799079032499343360

Trump surrogate citing Japanese internment to support Foreign Muslim registry-- today. This happened today.

I put this in the other thread but meant to put this here.

11/16/2016 11:29:39 PM

CROSS-POST!!!!


I mean, internment stood up to SC scrutiny... Then again, so did Dred Scott.

11/16/2016 11:37:36 PM

What did Trump do to counter his selection of an anti-Semitic cabinet member?


He went to Jared.

11/17/2016 2:01:43 AM

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"what is the point of that post? i can encourage a thing trump does without supporting everything he does. if you turn everything into a negative, you lose credibility and the chance to push through reforms voters on both sides agree on."

You know that I'm mostly with you on this. Especially the pathetic NotMyPresidnt and attacking Melania we've seen on here. That said, I do understand somewhat the other side. It's hard to be bigger when the GOP made it their explicit goal to obstruct Obama from day one.. and then seeing that being rewarded with full control of, well, everything. Now asking not to do that and be bigger is quite an ask. But if you really do think "your side" is better than that (it's not) you do have to show some restraint.

And I also vehemently disagree with your take on Bannon. The way he ran Breitbart alone is all cause I need for concern. That website, whether you want to admit it or not, was designed to capture BOTH anti-establishment and anxiety about others (whether it race, religion, skin color, place of origin).

11/17/2016 8:41:08 AM

changing your facebook photo to a safety pin is the lamest of lames

11/17/2016 9:00:44 AM

^^There's a pretty good discussion here with Glenn Greenwald, Jeremy Scahill, and Betsy Reed:

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/12/dissecting-a-trump-presidency/

Scroll down and listen to the soundcloud bit if you've got a chance.



Treating this election like a normal transfer of power to a man who made the most bombastic and hateful campaign promises is a bad strategy. And doing so in the name of civility is even more bankrupt. The time to resist him is NOW, not after he starts putting your fellow citizens on registries or deporting your neighbors, or silencing the media, etc.

11/17/2016 10:57:29 AM

http://sfist.com/2016/11/16/bannon_asian_ceos.php

“

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""When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think.. ” Bannon trailed off. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”"

This guy.....

11/17/2016 11:19:08 AM

^^ listening now. I don't necessarily agree with Greenwald in general being so dismissive of Russia but he absolutely hits on the problems with the party itself.

^ again, his history is out there. I see NO a reason to even attempt to give him the benefit of the doubt.

11/17/2016 11:22:45 AM

Well of course but he hasnt toned it down which is fun I guess.

11/17/2016 11:36:20 AM

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"if you really do think "your side" is better than that"

oh no its all terrible. sorry i gave that impression

11/17/2016 11:50:58 AM

That Intercept podcast was a pretty smart take. Pence is more terrifying after listening to that but I have thought all along that Trump can only be as good as the people who surround him.

^ I meant "your side" not about you but about the left in general right now. They feigned outrage when no one gave Obama a chance and personally attacked him and now are doing the same thing. I don't mean that they shouldn't protest and criticize him immediately when warranted but flying off the handle on every cabinet rumor and attacking the First Lady is just ridiculous.

[Edited on November 17, 2016 at 11:56 AM. Reason : X]

11/17/2016 11:54:30 AM

the intercept and new republic are the best sources of objective news at this point, that i know of. id love any other recommendations.

11/17/2016 11:57:58 AM

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"not after he starts putting your fellow citizens on registries "

Oh, what short memory some of us have.

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/17/482500386/court-documents-show-the-irs-focused-scrutiny-on-conservative-groups

11/17/2016 12:02:23 PM

Maybe they don't pay taxes.

If a group is oppose to the government is assume they would try to avoid paying the government. So why not watch them.

Totally goes in line with standard conservative thinking for various citizen groups in the USA

11/17/2016 12:30:10 PM

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"This guy....."

Remember, the racists don't go away, they just get smarter,

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"You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”"

- Lee Atwater, former RNC chair and advisor to President's Reagan and H.W. Bush

"Economic anxiety" and "anti-establishment" is just the next iteration of what he was talking about.

[Edited on November 17, 2016 at 12:37 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2016 12:37:05 PM

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"Oh, what short memory some of us have."

Indeed.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/nyregion/antiterrorism-registry-ends-but-its-effects-remain.html

11/17/2016 12:44:22 PM

^^
you're kidding. there is real economic concern in the middle class and "anti-establishment" isn't suddenly a right wing term since trump won

stop painting everyone you disagree with as a racist, ffs

[Edited on November 17, 2016 at 12:45 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2016 12:44:28 PM

When trump empowers his supporters, he's not empowering the best. He's bringing out the racists, he's bringing out the misogynists, he's bringing out the antisemites, and some, I assume, are good people.

11/17/2016 1:15:18 PM

^^There were legitimate concerns about "state's rights" and overly burdensome taxation in the 80s too. And while not everyone who supported Trump is a racist, the point still stands, dog whistles don't work if no one's listening. Again, those weren't my words up there and the voters he's talking about appealing to yet aren't dead yet.

[Edited on November 17, 2016 at 1:15 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2016 1:15:29 PM

In 1 survey 52% of trump supported belives whites were more evolved than blacks, so there is some basis to say most trump supporters are racist (30% of white Hillary supporters said the same thing).

But it's irrelevant now, trump is president half of white people are largely on the spectrum from very racist to racially ignorant/insensitive, this is the country we live in. We have to figure out how to fix problems while also working with the racists. This means, I think, ignoring racism in certain situations and trying to address it later. It's not a new conundrum but one that needs to be internalized until there are less racists out there.

11/17/2016 1:22:38 PM

You are still crying wolf

http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/

This is an excellent article from someone on the left making the argument that calling Trump or Trump supporters "white supremacists" is a bad idea. It's a long read but important.

The gist of it is that Trump is probably less racist than any other Republican president in history, and there is no shortage of legitimate criticisms to lay upon Trump. He carefully goes through each of the big claims (David Duke, Mexicans are racists, etc).

11/17/2016 1:24:08 PM

^^^^ I hope you realize how condescending that sounds, and why you will continue to lose the marginalized voter.

I dont disagree that the fringe has felt more empowered with Trumps campaign and victory. But to be fair, he has also empowered the best the left has to offer, such as these fine upstanding citizens below:







[Edited on November 17, 2016 at 1:28 PM. Reason : 1]

11/17/2016 1:28:22 PM

Whether or not they are actually racist, from an outsider's point of view, do you think most of them consider themselves to be racists? If not, what do you gain by forcing the notion down their throats? Nothing but more division. The way to move forward is to get to the root of their actual concerns, which is what Bernie did and is still trying to do.

11/17/2016 1:34:01 PM

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"I meant "your side" not about you but about the left in general right now. They feigned outrage when no one gave Obama a chance and personally attacked him and now are doing the same thing. I don't mean that they shouldn't protest and criticize him immediately when warranted but flying off the handle on every cabinet rumor and attacking the First Lady is just ridiculous."

There's a pretty HUGE distinction that you are omitting, though. 8 years ago people on the right were afraid of things Obama NEVER said or promised. People were terrified that FEMA was going to round up whites, take away their guns, and that Jessie Jackson and Bill Ayers would be I the white house making policy decisions. This was nothing short of hysteria based entirely off of wild speculation. Today, people on the left are simply scared that Trump/Pence will actually do the things he promised to do.


Again, I can't stress this enough. This was not a normal election. When you run a campaign based off of racial fears and demagoguery, you should rightly be received with strong opposition. The fact that the ACLU received over $8 million dollars on donations in less than a week after the election should indicate the seismic shift that just occurred in the American political landscape.

11/17/2016 1:36:41 PM

Just anecdotal, but a lot of one side of my family was big trump supporters (they're also prolific facebook users). And I know for a fact that they're all racist, some more than others.

11/17/2016 1:44:31 PM

^
Well half of my extended family voted Trump and are not racist.

11/17/2016 1:47:49 PM

^^^^ Idealistically, I agree. But when the other side of the aisle has no intention of doing the same how do you prevent yourself from getting your brains beat in like the Democrats have since Obama's first term midterms?

Don't you risk hemorrahiging even more control trying to reach out to a side that simply doesn't want to? I don't know who mentioned it on here but there was some truth to the fact that every time Obama tried to compromise the net result was him being shit on and the GOP convincing the American people it was Obama who shit himself.

[Edited on November 17, 2016 at 1:49 PM. Reason : X]

11/17/2016 1:48:23 PM

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"I hope you realize how condescending that sounds, and why you will continue to lose the marginalized voter."

LOL, that is 100% the point. I literally took trump's statements about Mexicans when he announced his presidency, replaced it with trump supporters and bad stuff about them.

Do you see the problem now?


Here's Trump's quote, since you seem to have a really, really short memory:

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"“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” - Donald Trump"

11/17/2016 1:49:40 PM

Racism also isn't binary. In the immortal words of Hulk Hogan, were all a little racist.

[Edited on November 17, 2016 at 1:54 PM. Reason : ^ lol HCH pwnt stay home]

11/17/2016 1:50:35 PM

^^^
The GOP doesn't want to. Trump and his supporters do, or seem to.

Shit, I got upvotes on the_donald for posing the idea that he look across the aisle for a sec state. I know it would never happen of course.

[Edited on November 17, 2016 at 2:02 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2016 1:59:40 PM

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"Deirdre WalshVerified account ?@deirdrewalshcnn NEWS from @PrestonCNN --Trump meeting with Mitt Romney this weekend to discuss governing and possible Cabinet post #2016"

11/17/2016 2:12:44 PM

It's amazing Mitt is best case at this point. I almost miss the guy.

11/17/2016 2:21:33 PM

I unironically hope he brings his binder of women.

11/17/2016 2:24:01 PM

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"LOL, that is 100% the point."

So your argument is that since Trump did it, you can do it too?

11/17/2016 2:26:57 PM

Jesus that's a terrible deflection of the obvious point he was making.

11/17/2016 2:31:13 PM

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"The GOP doesn't want to. Trump and his supporters do, or seem to."

I mean Trump was literally the loudest voice of trying to delegitimize Obama from day one. I find it hard to believe he will be willing to do so given who he has surrounded himself with. Of course, guys like Bannon don't want to work with the congressional GOP either..

11/17/2016 3:07:01 PM

Newt is out. Maybe because of the lobbyist restriction? Didn't say if it was his choice or not.

11/17/2016 4:46:37 PM

Keep in mind 94% of fortune 100 ceos are white:
More on bannon



^ Romney would be a solid choice as Secretary of State.

[Edited on November 17, 2016 at 5:06 PM. Reason : ]

11/17/2016 5:05:43 PM

I love how so many SJWs and hacks that didn't know who Bannon was 2 weeks ago, are already reporting he is a white supremacist because the liberal media told them so. You are such loyal sheep!

11/17/2016 5:19:28 PM

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"Newt is out. Maybe because of the lobbyist restriction? Didn't say if it was his choice or not."

It seems to be that Trump is rewarding loyalty more than anything else. So, expect some infighting as the radical alt-right keeps trying to hijack this bad boy.


Gonna be a rocky few weeks until inauguration. And then, you know, a disastrous handful of years.

11/17/2016 5:34:50 PM

^^ so you like him. Ok cool.

11/17/2016 9:03:21 PM

completely lied on twitter tonight about saving a car plant

11/17/2016 10:56:43 PM

I would lean towards disliking Bannon after the Michelle Fields "assault" incident that made Shapiro leave... but he isn't a "white supremacist who hates jews" or whatever bullshit the SJWs are parroting.

This is actually a microcosm of the election in a way. When the leftists and the liberal media become as discredited as they have been this election cycle, their baseless criticisms actually translate as praise to non-leftist viewers. So actually, if a bunch of SJWs are making baseless character attacks against Bannon, I fucking love the guy, he's my boy. If the HuffingtonPost says he is Hitler, he must actually be the second coming.

11/17/2016 11:06:36 PM

^ So you're just as much of a reactionary dipshit just in the opposite direction

11/18/2016 5:46:55 AM

^^ so you must love David Duke also right?

11/18/2016 7:49:26 AM

This thing with Bannon - I don't get it. I don't know anything about the man other than what has come out recently. I've honestly checked out Breitbart maybe a total of 3 times in my life. But this is a case of the left crying wolf.

Come up with a serious list of issues why you don't think someone is qualified for the job for which they've being vetted. Lack of government experience? Check. Lack of probably willingness to reach across the isle? Check. (Although I don't know if there would even be isle reaching for the made-up job he's being considered for). But to immediately call him racist seems to fall right in line with how the left characterizes people they don't like.

They tried to make Romney into a subtle racist, and a bigot. You cry wolf too many times, and people stop to really listen to you. Then, when the real deal comes along, nobody believes you.

[Edited on November 18, 2016 at 8:07 AM. Reason : Oh and apparently Flynn is an anti-semite too.]

11/18/2016 8:04:25 AM

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"[Bannon] went on to say the biggest problem he had with Archer is the number of Jews that attend. He said that he doesn't like Jews and that he doesn't like the way they raise their kids to be 'whiney brats' and that he didn't want the girls going to school with Jews."

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-campaign-ceo-steve-bannon-accused-anti-semitic-remarks-ex-n638731

11/18/2016 10:11:49 AM

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"completely lied on twitter tonight about saving a car plant"

And yet all the Conservative social media outlets are praising him and people are eating it up

11/18/2016 10:24:06 AM

Jeff Sessions named as Attorney General
Michael Flynn named as White House national security adviser
Mike Pompeo named to run the Central Intelligence Agency

11/18/2016 10:35:16 AM

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"Then, when the real deal comes along, nobody believes you."

How would you describe a 'real deal' racist?

11/18/2016 10:37:42 AM