https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/31/sports/ncaabasketball/north-carolina-final-four-cheating-fake-classes.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/sports&action=click&contentCollection=sports®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&referer=https://t.co/05CvrjyMjm

Solid article.

4/1/2017 1:17:40 PM

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"University officials take great umbrage at this. They claim to have investigated thoroughly. This is nonsense. I waded through their reports, and it was like watching a reluctant striptease."

LOL

4/1/2017 1:22:19 PM

Nothing new from what I can see, but all the UNC fans who read HuffPo probably aren't happy about seeing this piece show up on the day they won.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ncaa-basketball-north-carolina-student-athletes-scandal_us_58e2ac18e4b03a26a3652cf6?

And I was surprised no one posted about Nantz's comment during the Oregon game about the "swirling innuendo" regarding the UNC scandal. I can't have been the only one on here yelling at my tv when I heard Nantz just casually drop that opinion while commenting on the game.

4/4/2017 12:36:36 PM

Some on FB were very upset saying that had nothing to do with the the current team and should NOT have been brought up on national TV. Fucking sore winner/cheaters.

4/4/2017 10:15:38 PM

I've given up on this. UNC figured out how to beat the NCAA.

4/4/2017 11:29:03 PM

^Same here

played the NCAA like a fiddle. They knew with the team that was coming back they had a shot so they had to stall in order to ride out the season.

Now Roy will ride off into the sunset if ANYTHING is handed down as a punishment at this point.

And in the crazy scenario that UNC does lose a banner or two, UNC fans STILL won't care and will just point out that they are a "clean" program now.

4/4/2017 11:33:19 PM

I think UNC fans will care if they lose a banner or two. They'll care a lot. But I don't think that will happen. They are just the worst.

4/4/2017 11:41:28 PM

ehhhhh I agree with KEB

4/5/2017 2:15:14 AM

unc fans will care if a banner comes down. but their anger about it will be aimed at the "witch hunt" from the NCAA, N&O, etc. not at their own school for fucking up so royally.

that said....banners ain't coming down.

4/5/2017 7:27:45 AM

It wasn't hard for UNC to figure out how to beat the NCAA. The NCAA was perfectly comfortable with being played by their moneymaker.

4/5/2017 8:02:37 AM

The way Roy has been talking about this title makes me think at least 05 will be stripped. I'm too lazy to google but I remember him saying something along the lines of "feels good to get one they can't take away".

4/5/2017 10:52:26 AM

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" Some on FB were very upset saying that had nothing to do with the the current team and should NOT have been brought up on national TV. Fucking sore winner/cheaters."

They figured out how to stall tactic the NCAA and the NCAA was totally cool with it all so one of the blue bloods could continue help driving TV ratings. They're not gonna lose '05 or '09 and they pushed this thing far enough back to avoid any post season bans to get them another one in '17. Whole situation is mind boggling and still make sense at the same time. Incredible to think that a school could get away with this, but at the same time not everyone is UNC.

4/5/2017 11:12:56 AM

They cant figure out why everyone hates them either. It's not just State fans anymore at least, people across the country know this title wasnt legit after stonewalling the NCAA. The NCAA will likely never punish them so its left to the public to punish them in whatever way they can. If this hurts their feelings and they get tired of hearing about it then too fucking bad for them its their fault. If they had just taken their punishment and manned up about it everyone would have moved on by now. Instead they got another title that no one should ever acknowledge, not because they were cheating this time, but because of the circumstances that led to them even having a chance to play for it.

4/5/2017 11:57:05 AM

Why do we even care anymore? They have 5 titles since I was born. State has made one final four since I was born. FAIL!

4/6/2017 1:30:05 AM

[Edited on April 6, 2017 at 9:40 AM. Reason : Probably a shop but still funny]

4/6/2017 9:17:06 AM

^^At this point the hatred is based on principle and the fact that the non alum fans will stick stick their fingers in their ears and say la la la when you mention the 30+ years of cheating and say "Hey everyone does it!"

At least there are some alums who realize how embarrassing it is but that's even a slim bunch

The sad point now is this has turned many wolfpack fans away from college athletics. More and more each year I find myself less and less caring of what happens during FBall and BBall seasons. And of course this BBall season being the nail in the coffin pretty much with how UNC played the NCAA, everyone knows, but no one cares..



[Edited on April 6, 2017 at 9:24 AM. Reason : ^Wow that's gold!]

4/6/2017 9:21:12 AM

^^

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"All Division I student-athletes must earn at least six credit hours each term to be eligible for the following term and must meet minimum grade-point average requirements related to the school’s GPA standards for graduation."

Well we all know what UNC requires to give out degrees...

4/6/2017 9:26:01 AM

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"They figured out how to stall tactic the NCAA and the NCAA was totally cool with it all"

I don't think this can be emphasized enough. We still don't have anything more than the NCAA's bullshit explanation of "miscommunication" on why MBB and FB were in the original NOA, then not in the revised one, then added back on to this most recent version. That gave UNC ATLEAST an extra 6 months, maybe closer to a year. The NCAA penalty process is shit, and everyone knows it. Now we know it's designed to be shit so the NCAA can tweak the process as needed for their pre-conceived result.

If they don't drop the hammer on UNC, I hope the "student athlete" lawsuits get cranked up. Cause it's all bullshit.

4/6/2017 9:41:16 AM

Exactly if they had just done like they should have and taken their punishment maybe self imposed a 2 or 3 year post season ban and dropped their 3 banners they cheated to get then everyone would have moved on and it would be back to a normal rivalry. Instead they stonewalled and will never just admit they cheated all those years and instead of being punished even more severely they instead managed to weasel their way into another non legit title. Its the smugness and attitude they and their fans have had about the whole situation that breeds the hatred more so than the cheating itself I believe.

4/6/2017 9:43:36 AM

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"Its the smugness and attitude they and their fans have had about the whole situation that breeds the hatred more so than the cheating itself I believe."

Absolutely.

4/6/2017 1:28:35 PM

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"^^At this point the hatred is based on principle and the fact that the non alum fans will stick stick their fingers in their ears and say la la la when you mention the 30+ years of cheating and say "Hey everyone does it!""

Auburn when they won their national title with Cam Newton was the first most egregious example of this. Carolina basketball is just the latest.

4/6/2017 2:33:02 PM

y'all ain't believing that nate britt gpa thing is real, right?

4/6/2017 2:41:14 PM

I just realized I first heard about this scandal and the NCAA visiting Chapel Hill it was on local radio when I lived in Rocky Mount. Dick Baddour was AD and came on the radio, talked about working with the NCAA...

I've been living in Indiana for more than four years now and have a wife and a son. That's how long this has been ongoing and stalled.

4/6/2017 2:56:15 PM

Since UNC Scandal Broke:

- Osama Bin Laden Killed
- Japanese tsunami
- NASA ends shuttle program
- South Sudan becomes a country
- Mayan calendar ends
- Occupy Wall Street Protests
- Iraq War Ends
- Google gets licenses for driverless cars
- Benghazi
- Hurricane Sandy
- Obama re-elected
- 3D printed body parts / lab grown stem cells / gene therapy
- Pope Francis elected
- Latvia joins Eurozone
- Obamacare begins
- Russia Annexes Crimea
- Rise of ISIS/ISIL
- Ebola in US
- Baltimore Riots / Freddie Gray
- American Pharaoh wins Triple Crown
- US restores diplomatic relations with Cuba
- Terrorist attacks in Paris,San Bernadino, and Miami
- Cubs win World Series - first since 1908
- Brexit
- Trump takes office

[Edited on April 6, 2017 at 3:18 PM. Reason : obviously not an exhaustive list and not in perfect order but you get the idea]

4/6/2017 3:17:07 PM

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"y'all ain't believing that nate britt gpa thing is real, right?"

nah it ain't real. still funny though

4/6/2017 3:17:46 PM

Time to lock this thread and end the butthurt. Hope the State admin finally realizes doing things the right way gets you nowhere. Case in point: UNC, Repub filibuster

4/6/2017 3:26:05 PM

^ I'd just assume dissolve college varsity athletics at this point. Enjoyed the games and the tailgates and all, but if you stand back and take a look at it, it's ridiculous that we're funding people's academic pursuits based on physical prowess as an 18-year-old and that this multi-billion dollar business enjoys tax-free status. I can't see an argument for college sports as practiced in Divisions I and II outside of marketing and successful sports teams give an enrollment boost (which is stupid). At Division III, sports are the only thing keeping the doors open.


[Edited on April 6, 2017 at 3:50 PM. Reason : .]

4/6/2017 3:48:01 PM

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"At Division III, sports are the only thing keeping the doors open."

umm... what?

4/6/2017 7:44:52 PM

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"At Division III, sports are the only thing keeping the doors open."

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"umm... what?"

They are usually very small private schools. DIII does not offer "athletic" scholarships, so they entice students with the chance to play sports. These small schools have large percentages of their student bodies in athletes. Without sports many schools would suffer greatly. Often times the chance at playing is the main or only draw to the school.

4/6/2017 10:12:26 PM

[Edited on April 6, 2017 at 10:36 PM. Reason : nm]

4/6/2017 10:36:25 PM

I read the forum at the Chronicle of Higher Education website. Has a lot of liberal artsy professors and small private college administrators on it. Good place to read about the problems in higher education.

There's a thread going back to 2010 on the financial crises and possible closures of schools. A lot of it is those small private schools that you've always wondered who goes there, and that is the problem of they've killed their academic integrity to take anyone and still enrollment is declining. One example of a school in such trouble they talked about was St. Aug's. But there's a D3 small Midwestern administrator that laid out their problems in a bunch of points and her final one was "the only reason males come here is to play first-string sports". She actually praises her coaches for looking after the kids' academic interests, and says the goal for them is to keep them in line so by the time they're juniors and realize they start needing to look ahead for a career they're prepared.

Everyone thinks there are going to be a ton of small private college closures the next 10 years, especially in the northeast and Midwest where demographics play a role. (And the northeast is littered with them.)

To this point, I had a female cousin of mine who went to a small private school for the sole purpose to continue cheerleading. Unsurprisingly to me because I knew her GPA in high school, she flunked out after a semester.

[Edited on April 7, 2017 at 8:59 AM. Reason : .]

4/7/2017 8:57:11 AM

http://www.gonzagabulletin.com/opinion/article_af43f8a4-1a3f-11e7-a90a-cbfea817a76f.html

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"Gonzaga athletes excel in real classes This last fall, GU’s Dean’s List and Presidents list included 145 student athletes. What’s more is that 17 of these athletes had a perfect GPA of 4.0, even with their constant traveling and rigorous practice schedules. Men’s basketball star, Nigel Williams-Goss, received the Elite 90 award last Friday, meaning that he had the highest GPA of all players participating in the final four. Compare this to UNC, whose basketball team has faced scrutiny for listing fake “paper classes” on player transcripts in order to maintain their eligibility. UNC athletes can’t compare to GU athletes academically, even though the classes aren’t real."

LULZ

4/7/2017 10:35:06 AM

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"Since UNC Scandal Broke: - Osama Bin Laden Killed - Japanese tsunami - NASA ends shuttle program - South Sudan becomes a country - Mayan calendar ends - Occupy Wall Street Protests - Iraq War Ends - Google gets licenses for driverless cars - Benghazi - Hurricane Sandy - Obama re-elected - 3D printed body parts / lab grown stem cells / gene therapy - Pope Francis elected - Latvia joins Eurozone - Obamacare begins - Russia Annexes Crimea - Rise of ISIS/ISIL - Ebola in US - Baltimore Riots / Freddie Gray - American Pharaoh wins Triple Crown - US restores diplomatic relations with Cuba - Terrorist attacks in Paris,San Bernadino, and Miami - Cubs win World Series - first since 1908 - Brexit - Trump takes office [Edited on April 6, 2017 at 3:18 PM. Reason : obviously not an exhaustive list and not in perfect order but you get the idea]"

Have we already forgotten about Harambe??



[Edited on April 7, 2017 at 12:43 PM. Reason : .]

4/7/2017 12:43:06 PM

No, my dick is still out for Harambe.

4/7/2017 12:53:49 PM

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"THIS LAST FALL"

4/7/2017 1:25:44 PM

Not academic related, but has this been done here?

http://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/news/unc-couldnt-fill-its-student-section-so-asu-students-stepped-in-025522172.html

It's not surprising, who has that kind of money laying around on short notice, but still funny.

[Edited on April 7, 2017 at 3:29 PM. Reason : .]

4/7/2017 3:25:52 PM

Pretty sure this is common practice so not gonna rag on them about that. Now if it was in like charlotte or something...

4/7/2017 3:29:48 PM

When in Arizona and school is in session. Hell SW flights were like 700 round trip. Now in a few years it will be in ATL. Let's hope a local team makes it.

4/7/2017 9:47:54 PM

Guys it is time to drop our TWW hammer on Amazon Prime. Rip these bitches apart, but do it in a civil manner as I did or they will remove your reviews. Also be sure to bump mine and rate down the others so we appear at the top of the reviews!

Unverified: Untold Story Behind the Scandal (Free with Amazon Prime)

https://www.amazon.com/Unverified-Untold-Story-Behind-Scandal/dp/B06Y1VPVHF/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491800297&sr=8-1&keywords=Unverified

So far only I have said a single thing negative about UNC and the rest are mostly blinded by the $18M banner.

That documentary is horribly boring, but if you jump to the 70 min mark you will hear something I am not sure I have read before.

A UNC administrator says they didn't want to be too harsh towards a major that was about African Americans. Reverse RACISM!!!!



[Edited on April 10, 2017 at 1:41 AM. Reason : _]

4/10/2017 1:34:31 AM

9 total reviews on Amazon. Bethel's movie really took off.

4/10/2017 1:57:43 AM

To be fair I think it has only been available on Amazon Prime for the last few weeks. Most of the reviews were done in the last week (for obvious reasons). The best review (besides mine) is this one:

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"Though Unverified does not actually tell the WHOLE story, it does open your eyes to the fact that the original NOA was precipitated by a false narrative to begin with. The d00k and moo U fanbase precipitated this witch hunt, due to jealousy and evy. The academic side of this has NOTHING to do with the NCAA, is beyond their scope, and they are trying to enforce bylaws that do NOT exist. THAT is the point THIS film did NOT get accross. IT was an ACADEMIC issue, NOT ATHLETIC, therefore NOT part of the NCAA's jurisdiction. UNC winning ANOTHER Natty, is only going to encourage moo U & d00kie's to continue this charade. The fact that d00k's athletes' take classes at NCCU instead of d00k, has never been talked about. If they aren't smart enough to take classes AT d00k, why are they PLAYING for d00k?? People in GLASS houses shouldn't throw stones, and moo U has a former football player already under investigation over his connections to their programs. SO, when you IGNORANT people actually get the FACTUAL information about this, THEN come talk to us, with FACTS, not the BS that the snooze & disturber tried to pass off as facts. THAT IS WHAT WE EXPECTED THIS FILM TO GET ACROSS, but, this at LEAST points out what blatant LIES were printed by the snooze & disturber, with NO VERIFICATION of the FACTS. It is really more of a fictional story, written for the delusional and envious fan bases of our enemies; the only ones left reading that TRASH paper here in the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area."

Also don't forget! You can add pictures to your comments or in your review. I'd bet less than 1/2 the people who posted out of that 9 watched the film.

When I posted my review the film had 3 or 4 reviews I believe and my review dropped it way down to around a 3/5. Now it's up to 9 reviews in the last few hours, I smell fake accounts.




[Edited on April 10, 2017 at 2:25 AM. Reason : _]

4/10/2017 2:23:40 AM

^ there's no point in arguing with someone who doesn't accept that the earth is round.

I wonder what the response to "mooU and dookies" is when they acknowledge that Deunta Williams, Tydreke Powell, Michael McAdoo, Devon Ramsey, Mike Paulus, & McCants all dropped a dime on them from within. Williams and Powell actually graduated too which was the funny part. Mcants' transcript was of course cross referenced with the fake courses to show his ineligibility. I guess UNC fans think he's a legit Dean's List recipient though, which is more than insane. Especially after all those real live breathing professors came out and refuted his claims.....or not. Well, what about his legitimate adviser that enrolled him in independent studies courses that so many other 1.6 GPA holders get to take....or not.

And then the admin threatening Willingham's career and fans sending her death threats and then......paying her over $300 grand to go away. Nothing says someone is guilty of slander like settling with them forking over $300k.

"If you don't have a class with a basketball player, you betta go find one" - Tydreke Powell

4/10/2017 3:15:03 PM

what unc fans (maybe because a higher % aren't alums) don't understand or wrap their head around is that proclaiming "NOT AN ATHLETIC ISSUE" doesn't erase the fact that this is still major academic fraud spanning multiple decades and, seemingly, an entire academic department of study. that's pretty serious, pretty bad, and definitely nothing to defend. it's very clearly aimed at keeping athletes eligible, i'm not sure how you can seriously argue against that. in my opinion, this being a scheme strictly to keep athletes eligible is actually not as bad as if it were widespread, rampant academic fraud not restricted to athletes. sure, if it's related to athletes you can lose banners and be subject to NCAA punishment. but from a "what's more wrong" standpoint - i feel like it's more wrong or more embarrassing and indefensible if this weren't an athletic issue and was strictly indiscriminate academic fraud to any and all students taking these classes.

so yeah...scream "NCAA doesn't have jurisdiction" and "this is academic and not athletic" all you want...just be aware of what that means you're admitting that you're ok with.

[Edited on April 10, 2017 at 5:06 PM. Reason : f]

4/10/2017 5:04:18 PM

Wow some random unc fan that I am not even friends with just went through all my old tweets for anything pertaining to unc and posted some type of picture of their fake title as a reply.. yep cant figure out why people hate them so much.

4/10/2017 5:26:02 PM

^^That is a great point. Well said.

4/10/2017 8:17:01 PM

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2017/4/10/15240382/wilson-times-misfires-on-roy-unc-scandal-ncaa-basketball

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"“In truth, Williams and his UNC program are exactly what is right with college athletics. They should be celebrated not only by UNC fans, but those who love college basketball.” Well where to start? Let’s start with the notion that the “major Raleigh newspaper“ - that has to be the News & Observer obviously as it’s the only major newspaper in Raleigh (there are others but none that could be called major) - is basically lying in order to bring down the program is ludicrous. First, there is a point here. When the N&O went after NC State and Jim Valvano the paper really was stocked with graduates of UNC’s Journalism school. Someone who was there in 1993 told us, shocked (our informant was from another state), that when UNC won the title most of the newsroom stood and cheered. "

I like how it talks about how UNC did this without any one and done players because Roy wants it like that.

O'RLY!?!?! Just days after they won: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/high-school/preps-blog/article143590884.html

Roy can't get those players anymore, unless the players parents are also blinded by the $18M Banner.



[Edited on April 10, 2017 at 11:31 PM. Reason : _]

4/10/2017 11:21:44 PM

Why is this at the top?
The obsession of our fans is even getting to me at this point.

4/10/2017 11:54:02 PM

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/19131827/maryland-president-wallace-loh-says-expect-death-penalty-north-carolina-tar-heels-athletics

we can only hope

4/11/2017 9:24:17 AM

Why aren't other chancellors/presidents speaking up? I'm surprised there's just this one brave asian dude...

4/11/2017 10:02:42 AM

I really don't expect it, but I find it odd the president at Maryland is saying this. Back when UNC's accreditation was under review, a small private school president wrote an article saying "if you're not going to do much of anything to a school engaged in systemic academic fraud, what worth is accreditation?" I'm sure he understood that wasn't going to happen, stripping accreditation from Carolina is a type of "too big to fail" thing with all the federal academic aid that would be made null and knew he was just making an academic point, but you'd think the president of a state's flagship public school would be more in tune with what is likely to actually happen.

[Edited on April 11, 2017 at 10:15 AM. Reason : .]

4/11/2017 10:11:12 AM