^^ Most people in this world are pussies unwilling to put their names out there beside a statement.

4/11/2017 10:19:10 AM

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"The attorney for the former UNC-Chapel Hill administrative secretary who created scores of bogus classes that disproportionately provided high grades for athletes is seeking to toss out the NCAA’s latest notice of allegations. Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article144125689.html#storylink=cpy"

Yeah this whole thing has to have been orchestrated by UNC. No way any sane human being would come out and get back in the spotlight at this point in the game when they had already gotten off.

Can they pull her "plea" deal now that she has reneged on the "cooperation" with the SBI.

4/12/2017 11:37:17 AM

I don't know where else to put this.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/north-carolina-lawmakers-threaten-to-pull-unc-nc-state-from-acc-with-new-bill/


also. Fuk UNC

4/12/2017 1:44:28 PM

^ while that's totally stupid and a waste of time and energy and everything else. it's not like it has a chance of passing or anything

4/12/2017 1:49:17 PM

Why stop with the ACC? Why not pull out of the NCAA?

If this bill passes (this bill will never pass), maybe it will make the NCGA consider how their bills will be viewed by the ACC before passing. Because if they passed a bill that caused State or UNC to leave the ACC, they would be voted out of office so fast...

4/12/2017 2:06:27 PM

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2017/04/12/roy-williams-responds-wallace-loh-ncaa-investigation-death-penalty-comments/100372392/

4/12/2017 6:33:48 PM

Fucking redneck

4/12/2017 7:01:49 PM

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"double idiot"

4/12/2017 7:45:49 PM

Quote :

"You can get a little knowledge and it turns you into an idiot,"

Plz let this be their argument defending AFAM

[Edited on April 12, 2017 at 7:47 PM. Reason : I'm such an idiot]

4/12/2017 7:46:35 PM

Fuck roy. He gets a pass for saying shit like this because of his "friggin dadgum it" schtick. But how hard is it to just say "knowing the facts of the case, I completely disagree with marylands presidents view". Like...I dunno, calling him a double idiot 1) is the dumbest insult imaginable and 2) is just kinda asshole-y when it wouldn't super easy to take the high road give a reasoned response to calls for the death penalty.

Roy knew. Fuck him.

4/12/2017 7:50:37 PM

well I guess Roy is a double idiot too, right?

I mean he doesnt mind having an opinion on this dadgum hill o beans of a mess they got over there... and he didnt know a dadgum thing about it either. UMD prez seems just as qualified to make a statement I would think.

I am kinda jealous of UMD despite loathing them... they got out of this conference when they could and who could blame them? There will never be a level playing field and it is all just set up to fuel the UNC machine, providing all their baby blue fans with constant pats on the back. They get to feel good about whatever athletic success they achieve despite not caring one bit about how it is achieved. You would think that graduating players that cant read would be enough for them to hit the brakes. But UNC fans base their identities on whatever their basketball team puts on the court.

4/12/2017 10:20:03 PM

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"providing all their baby blue fans with constant pats on the back"

I think that's what annoys me the most about UNC fans. They sincerely consider the athletics department's winning ways to be their personal triumphs. Sad that they have to rely on cheaters to give themselves a feeling of self worth.

4/13/2017 7:28:54 AM

Well if you follow a college sports team because you simply cheer for them instead of having an actual academic connection to the school like going there or paying for your kid to go there, chances are you could not care less about the academic side of things.

(Ironically, 99% of Duke fans in a nutshell.)

4/13/2017 8:54:43 AM

That "conflict of interest because it's headed by the SEC commissioner will likely get dismissed as frivolous. It's an incredibly weak claim.

4/13/2017 9:08:35 AM

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article145970734.html

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"Southeastern Conference Commissioner Greg Sankey has denied a request seeking his removal as head of the NCAA infractions panel handling North Carolina's ongoing academic case because of a conflict of interest."

4/21/2017 4:37:41 PM

^ that is good news!

Quote :

"Sankey responded that Crowder's interview should occur in coming weeks within the new schedule, adding: "There will be no further delays, and the case will be heard on this schedule.""

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""These positions intensify our concerns that the NCAA does not feel bound by its bylaws and that this process is merely a show designed to reach a predetermined result. Nevertheless, Ms. Crowder looks forward to correcting the record by giving an interview in the next few weeks.""

"UNC, the NCAA, and the AFAM scandal: For people with a life"

http://www.tarheelblog.com/2017/4/21/15378634/north-carolina-academic-scandal-basketball-ncaa

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"Were these classes just for athletes? No. More non-athletes than athletes took these classes. "

I knew this would be pointed out because they purposely kept the percentage right below 50% (~48%).



[Edited on April 22, 2017 at 2:37 PM. Reason : _]

4/22/2017 2:17:04 PM

Meant to add this to the above post I made:

They forget this part...

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"Wainstein’s report found. More than 3,100 students took at least one, and roughly half of them were athletes, who make up 4 percent of the student body. Athletes also accounted for more than half of the students who took significant numbers of bogus classes."

Student body collectively has 4% athletes, so even if 30% of the AFAM students were athletes it would still be largely disproportionate.

Say an AFAM course had 60 students, less than 3 students should have been athletes based off the 4% figure. However it is more like 30 students would have been athletes.

4/22/2017 3:16:19 PM

Who cares how many non-athletes took a course with the same course name and number? It was independent studies, right? Non-athletes could get the actual independent study course, athletes could get the bogus tutor writes the one paper that's due at the end of the semester version of the course.

But hold the phone, 51% of the people enrolled in AFAM 495 (or whatever) were non-students so we're good here, right?

That would set a hell of a precedent. Go ahead and cheat to keep athletes academically eligible so long as you let some non-athletes take phony courses too. As long as you maintain a numeric minority all academic cheating is on the table.

I wish they'd just come out and say "UNC makes us lots of money. Deal with it." instead of these weak apologetics.

4/22/2017 5:54:55 PM

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""Were these classes just for athletes? No. More non-athletes than athletes took these classes. ""

This is soooo basic guys. Look. At. Percentages. percentage of athletes vs non athletes at school is way out of line with the percentages of these classes. It's obvious. Fucking idiots. What a weak attempt at deflection.

4/22/2017 6:19:24 PM

To be fair, I think the better percentage to assess is the percentage of the amount of students that are African Americans to the percentage of students that are athletes. Let's face it, if you're not black, you likely have little to no interest in AFAM.

Percentage might still be disproportionate, or maybe it'll show that if it wasn't for black athletes, there would be no African American population at UNC. I don't know. But that'll be a more fair assessment.

4/22/2017 10:13:08 PM

Let's not forget that UNC offered students to retake these bogus classes for free. Isn't that saying that they don't count as credit?

4/24/2017 9:50:54 AM

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2017/4/22/15392392/scandal-watch-sankey-refuses-to-step-aside-ncaa-sets-target-dates-for-unc-hearings-acc-basketball

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"New State coach Kevin Keatts, a former Rick Pitino assistant, was cleared of any involvement in the escort scandal, which must make the folks in Raleigh happy since they’re paying him well. "

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article146175079.html

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"Herman told Strohm about the SBI’s plans to interview the football players. Their names are redacted. “Thanks,” Strohm responded. “I had not been aware that the SBI planned to do this. I’m happy to talk tomorrow.” Six months later, the SBI sought to interview Strohm. An attorney appeared with her and said Strohm couldn’t answer many questions because she had an attorney-client relationship with UNC. Strohm left UNC to become the University of Louisville’s general counsel in 2015. "

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" In that same records request, the N&O also asked for documentation related to another UNC claim in the NCAA case – that the NCAA had agreed not to use any information Wainstein and his investigators had obtained from Crowder or her boss, Julius Nyang’oro. He had created several more bogus classes after Crowder retired in 2009. UNC has yet to produce an NCAA record showing such an agreement "

[Edited on April 24, 2017 at 6:40 PM. Reason : Keatts]

4/24/2017 6:35:30 PM

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"That’s because the attorneys told the State Bureau of Investigation the football players couldn’t cooperate with the investigation [for rear of losing NCAA eligibility], ending that line of inquiry."

The fuck? If a crime was committed, why the hell would concerns over ncaa eligibility stop the SBI from being able to investigate the crime? What in the literal fuck?

4/25/2017 1:45:05 AM

Amazing how Roy keeps his players around for so long. Berry coming back next year for really no reason if he ever plans to play pro ball. Nothing he can do next year to top this past year. Strange how no other team can keep players from declaring the way UNC does it seems.




[Edited on April 25, 2017 at 7:24 PM. Reason : Didn't know where else to put it. Cheaters]

4/25/2017 7:24:00 PM

Honor your contractual obligation commitments. -Carolina Wae

4/26/2017 8:09:05 AM

^^His mom just landed a sweet gig at the Pharmacy school. Got a new Range Rover and everything. Must be awesome and just a coincidence! Just kidding about this, but that is the exact same shit that happened with Psycho T. Guess if you wanted to know you could just email him:

dewayne@live.unc.edu

[Edited on April 26, 2017 at 8:21 AM. Reason : ]

4/26/2017 8:19:14 AM

The way UNC gets players to stay is definitely shady as shit! Berry's draft stock will likely not get any higher than this year. Hansbrough stayed 4 years because everyone knew his game wouldn't translate to the NBA, but Berry has a lot more pro upside than him.

4/26/2017 9:37:37 AM

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"Hansbrough stayed 4 years because everyone knew his game wouldn't translate to the NBA, "

All the more reason to go at your peak when you can still get someone to take you even if you aren't a lock starter.

HBro was more serviceable for many too as a role player for a while too that a lot of guys who come back would be.

4/26/2017 1:31:50 PM

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"Let's not forget that UNC offered students to retake these bogus classes for free. Isn't that saying that they don't count as credit?"

Their accreditor SACS required them to do that. IIRC, SACS refused to consider a UNC-Chapel Hill request that the individuals that already had taken these classes be grandfathered.

4/26/2017 2:20:47 PM

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data

How (Number 30)?

5/5/2017 3:13:30 AM

^^ so in essence yes... but they can add the caveat that they count for credits just not credits toward a degree which isn't wholly uncommon and a nifty loophole

5/5/2017 7:03:52 AM

http://www.wral.com/dentist-unc-grad-tied-to-tar-heel-player-has-died/16683094/

5/5/2017 9:26:33 AM

Classy guy. How hard is it to just no bill for shit you didn't do... if you wanna get money for it just do it, it's not hard to come up with a justifiable reason for anesthesia. Procedure could not be safely completed under local. Done and done

But I digress...

5/5/2017 9:32:30 AM

damn, butch davis still killing people

5/5/2017 10:00:25 AM

Came across this randomly From the Daily Tar Hell 4/26/17. Surprised that they actually published it.

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2017/04/letter-uncs-ncaa-title-was-an-illicit-achievement

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"Letter: UNC’s NCAA title was an illicit achievement | PUBLISHED 04/26/17 12:58AM TO THE EDITOR: The powder blue and white confetti has been swept away, and the last embers of the bonfires have burned out. Now, it’s back to reality for North Carolina basketball fans who must face the fact that UNC’s 2017 NCAA men’s basketball title is an illicit and dishonorable achievement. This time around, we can assume the UNC players won the title by honest means. Unlike the 2005 NCAA title, which (was) illicit because the Tar Heels used academically ineligible players, this year’s crown is severely tainted because North Carolina (again) used a morally ineligible coach. Coach Roy Williams, who has done a masterful job of refusing to accept responsibility for what he knew regarding the worst academic/athletic scandal in college sports history, should have been fired long ago. Over the years Williams’ players were enrolled in fake courses to keep them academically eligible. Williams has actually used the prolonged — and botched — NCAA investigation into UNC’s violations to his advantage. Williams has essentially played the martyr (a fantasy UNC fans have happily bought into) and this has served as a successful tactic to inspire his players as well. The longer the NCAA investigation goes on, the shorter peoples’ memories get. Recent media coverage of North Carolina at the NCAA Tournament made few references to the ongoing investigation, and the University and Williams have mounted a successful multimillion dollar PR campaign to keep the attention focused on basketball glory — not shameful cheating. During an NCAA Tournament, Williams even had the audacity to deny his program had even one iota of culpability in the 18-year-long scandal. After a vague admission that there were “some mistakes made,” Williams said: “But there were no allegations against men’s basketball. So I’ve sort of hung my hat on that part, and I know we did nothing wrong.” If that’s true, why was former UNC standout Rashad McCants, the second-leading scorer on the 2005 championship team, enrolled in fake courses in which attendance was not required, making the dean’s list with four As? “As an athlete, we weren’t really there for an education,” McCants said in one interview ... (in another interview) he also noted that Williams told him, “We’re going to be able to (figure out how to make it happen),” regarding the fact that McCants was not meeting academic eligibility requirements to play basketball. “The University makes money off us athletes,” McCants said. “And they give us this fake education as a distraction.” Fake education equals fake NCAA titles. So, up to this point, Williams and UNC have actually benefited from the scandal. Any talk that UNC will receive the NCAA “death penalty” for its egregious actions is highly unlikely. In the last two seasons, UNC has played the maximum 12 games in the NCAA Tournament resulting in the University receiving millions of dollars in compensation through gate and television revenue and from sales of products bearing the UNC logo. The University has also received priceless media attention worldwide, and the NCAA is riding those Carolina coattails and reaping the benefits as well. Will the NCAA bite the hand that feeds it? That seems doubtful. Right now, Williams has managed to turn inside out the adage: “Cheaters never prosper,” but history won’t be so kind to Williams or UNC. Despite his being a talented coach and recruiter, Williams didn’t play by the rules, and his accomplishments — like those of other sports cheats — will always be accompanied by an asterisk. Williams and by association, the University of North Carolina, will always be remembered as cheaters. Patrick O’Neill is a former reporter with The Chapel Hill News who covered Tar Heels sports."

[Edited on May 8, 2017 at 11:33 PM. Reason : link]

5/8/2017 11:33:06 PM

^mic drop

He really highlights the most frustrating part of all of this - that their fans and the school not only deny/excuse the cheating but play the victim card on top of it.

5/9/2017 9:14:26 AM

Oh look someone who is actually reasonable and can see through the baby blue bullshit

5/9/2017 9:17:11 AM

I love how this thread is 4 years old, and UNC is yet to face any actual, severe sanctions. They never will

5/9/2017 4:59:56 PM

they're returning some key players next year and have a lot of good young talent, I'm sure UNC/NCAA can squeeze out some more revenue before Roy retires and they have to finally address it. hell, maybe people will just forget by then. win-win!

5/9/2017 5:40:18 PM

media friend says the word on the street is that Dan Kane is about to break a pretty big story.

Also, Debbie Crowder submitted her affidavit this week and, as expected, said the courses weren't bogus. I wonder if this will turn into a perjury case with subpoena power.

5/11/2017 9:50:56 AM

^Need to rescind whatever plea she made with the DA to avoid fraud charges.

But they'll still get away with everything

5/11/2017 9:58:30 AM

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19354973/ncaa-investigators-meet-woman-center-unc-probe

5/11/2017 10:35:44 AM

I don't understand.... if you didn't teach the class, and are not accredited to teach, should what she says even matter?

5/11/2017 11:47:02 AM

also if you didn't teach and aren't accredited to teach should you be grading papers?

5/11/2017 12:12:59 PM

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"I love how this thread is 4 years old, and UNC is yet to face any actual, severe sanctions. They never will"

I was college when the Great Marvin Austin came about.

5/11/2017 1:38:27 PM

T.A.s grade papers all the time.

5/11/2017 1:48:29 PM

Crowder was a glorified office assistant and there was pretty much no oversight.

TAs are usually standout students in whatever subject they're grading in, have a degree in it and/or are earning one and have some sort of training/oversight specific to what course they're grading.

Quote :

"Crowder, a UNC-CH graduate, had been unhappy with her undergraduate experience. She thought professors paid too much attention to the “best and brightest” but ignored other students, like herself. Shortly after she graduated, she returned to her alma mater in 1979 and became student services manager in the curriculum of African and Afro-American Studies."

lol

[Edited on May 11, 2017 at 2:18 PM. Reason : .]

5/11/2017 2:17:37 PM

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"Crowder, who graded many of the papers in the problem classes, also filed an affidavit defending the courses' quality. In it, she said she hadn't created courses to provide special assistance for athletes, and added that athletes and non-athletes received equal treatment."

They are STILL hitching their wagons to this.

5/11/2017 3:12:08 PM

Lol, SEC teams are setting up classes called "FREE A's 101" right now as we speak and getting all the normal students in with a sprinkling of athletes.

5/11/2017 3:46:15 PM

the real trick is how do you get in on the ground level and find out which classes are the bullshit classes.

5/11/2017 4:09:20 PM