7/20/2017 4:25:18 PM

SO HELP ME GOD IF THE NCAA RETREATED BACK TO NOT MENTIONING BBALL OR FBALL ILL.......ILL


continue to post angrily and throw around unfounded accusations!!!!!






but seriously, ROY KNEW.

7/20/2017 5:04:15 PM

7/24/2017 4:18:43 PM

They'll release the NOA when Mueller gets fired or Sessions resigns or something.

7/25/2017 9:59:03 AM

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"Jeff Gravley @jgravleyWRAL .@UNC has released #NCAA response. 2 day hearing with Committee on Infractions will begin August 16th in Nashville. #wral."

Ok so actually on the day of the big health care vote.

7/25/2017 2:07:31 PM

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"Jeff Gravley @jgravleyWRAL Roy Williams, Larry Fedora, Sylvia Hatchell are requested to attend NCAA hearings with Committee on Infractions Aug 16. #wral #unc"

7/25/2017 2:12:43 PM

OH DIS GONE BE GOOD

7/25/2017 2:32:01 PM

Will the hearing be televised? If so, I'll need to call in sick and stock up on lube.

7/25/2017 2:33:56 PM

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3900408-NCAA-Enforcement-Reply-2016-2nd-Amended-NOA-07.html#document/p3/a364332



OH THIS IS REALLY GOOD!

7/25/2017 3:09:39 PM

NCAA: Issues at UNC 'clearly the NCAA's business'

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-maintains-ncaa-overreach-in-latest-ncaa-response/16840516/

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""The issues at the heart of this case are clearly the NCAA's business," the NCAA wrote. "When a member institution allows an academic department to provide benefits to student-athletes that are materially different from the general student body, it is the NCAA's business.""

7/25/2017 3:11:39 PM

[Edited on July 25, 2017 at 3:13 PM. Reason : ss]

7/25/2017 3:13:32 PM

^Unfortunately the only mention of men's basketball is in Crowder's testimony that two players had really good papers.

Still looks like they are mostly putting it on WBB.

7/25/2017 3:14:40 PM

7/25/2017 3:28:15 PM

This plays out in 1 of 2 ways.

NCAA brings down the hammer. UNC fights this in court for several years.
NCAA hands them a slap on the wrist. UNC fights this in court for several years.

UNC has made it abundantly clear they believe they have the legal standing to use the NCAA bylaws to wiggle out of this without any punishment. The NCAA on the other hand tried to offer them an olive branch to get out of this easily and UNC spit in their face, so now the NCAA has no choice but to bring down some sort of punishment. If the NCAA lets UNC off after what they did to Syracuse and, are actively trying to do, to Louisville, then they'll look like hypocrites and be viewed as even more of a joke.

Either way, this is going to end up in court.

7/25/2017 3:38:43 PM

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"Roy Williams, Larry Fedora, Sylvia Hatchell are requested to attend NCAA hearings with Committee on Infractions Aug 16."

... So the NCAA can personally apologize to them for all the "junk" they've had to endure these past few years.

7/25/2017 4:11:14 PM

getcha popcorn and lube ready

7/25/2017 4:35:18 PM

damn, it's worded harsh af.

hope it sticks to basketball too. Roy being there seems to imply it will.

LOIC!!!

7/25/2017 4:59:27 PM

7/25/2017 5:49:44 PM

UNC will figure out a way to delay the hearing 10 days, which would be the same day as Mayweather McGregor

7/25/2017 9:27:27 PM

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"http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3900408-NCAA-Enforcement-Reply-2016-2nd-Amended-NOA-07.html#document/p3/a364332 OH THIS IS REALLY GOOD! "

Damn, good link. I highly recommend people step through a few of the highlighted sections (its addicting).

7/25/2017 9:51:06 PM

I get extra buttery popcorn.

No need for lube.

7/25/2017 11:26:13 PM

It's going to be a battle to the end. Will definitely go to court. Believe NCAA will levy harsh actions only to have a smaller percent actually enforced because of the court system.

7/25/2017 11:38:16 PM

At this point, a long drawn out legal battle that puts UNC on blast somewhat regularly sounds pretty good. I know we were all hoping for Thor's hammer to drop in like a week's time back in 2013, but I'll settle for even the potential of consistent media coverage that could scare away recruits and tarnish UNC's reputation.

7/26/2017 12:34:13 AM

[Edited on July 26, 2017 at 8:05 AM. Reason : nm old link]

7/26/2017 8:04:59 AM

the NCAA set the date for the statute of limitations to run out on February 21, 2010, so no banners are coming down.

everything else about that letter sounds like the NCAA wants to show how much weight they can throw around. The last little bit about Bubba Cunningham leaking to the press was an interesting read; the NCAA wanted to add another infraction for him doing that but didn't want to offer anything that might give UNC another clock reset on responses. Instead, they're noting it for panel consideration.

7/26/2017 11:09:53 AM

Who cares what the NCAA says the last banner they won was in '82 and thats how everyone should treat it from now on when speaking to UNC fans

7/26/2017 11:24:34 AM

Taking banners down literally does nothing to unc. It doesn't erase people's memories or history. It is so incredibly pointless and stupid to take away wins from a school. Limiting scholarships, post-season play, TV rights... those have much more of an effect on a program.

[Edited on July 26, 2017 at 11:47 AM. Reason : .]

7/26/2017 11:46:38 AM

yeah i don't care too much about banners coming down. punish them so it hurts them in the future, not in the past.

7/26/2017 12:29:31 PM

I'd love to see banners come down. It's symbolic and it goes in the books. Granted, it won't change the past, but I feel like UNC fans won't feel the sting as much if that doesn't happen, although I'm happy with them fucking UNC up in the future too.

7/26/2017 1:10:57 PM

Banners coming down is the only punishment that will affect the people who propped this shit up for 30 years.

7/26/2017 1:44:52 PM

You don't think die-hard UNC fans are going to be IRATE if they lose a title?

If they pull the 3 titles in question, you're talking about going from 6 titles to 3. That takes them to 2 behind Duke and drops them from 3 all-time to tied for 7th.

Not to mention how many losses it'll take off from Dean Smith and/or Roy Williams. It'll definitely hurt the program.

I mean if they put in 1-2 years of post-season bans, do you really think UNC won't immediately shoot right back up after the ban is lifted?

7/26/2017 1:48:02 PM

Last year doesn't count either after all the deflecting and stalling to make it happen. UNC has exactly the same number of titles as us and we have won one more recently.

7/26/2017 3:27:59 PM

I absolutely do not care what happens to UNC fans. I want the program to be penalized for cheating and I want it to be severe enough that it cripples their big programs for several years, if not a decade. I want it to affect their future.

7/26/2017 3:32:56 PM

http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/07/26/feinstein-ncaa-must-hammer-unc-for-academic-fraud/

7/27/2017 2:50:35 PM

OH YOU GUYS

7/27/2017 3:31:57 PM

Lol you guys talkin bout banners

7/28/2017 12:52:13 AM

i think the best case is if this gets dragged out in court so its always in the news

short of the death penalty, which isn't an option, the ncaa can't punish unc in any real way that will hurt

7/28/2017 7:28:22 AM

What are the costs for UNC up to by now?

Not relevant in terms of them feeling it, but its something.

7/28/2017 8:00:13 AM

^Obviously it's not hurting them too bad over here. They are currently in the middle of building a new football practice complex, a soccer & lacrosse stadium, a field hockey stadium AND a new track and field complex.

7/28/2017 8:44:05 AM

lot of straw grabbing itt

7/28/2017 8:47:33 AM

^^Well they had to build that other stuff when the new indoor practice facility (innovative) demolished the other fields. Are they done paying for the blue zone?

7/28/2017 9:15:04 AM

^^^ at least $18 Million
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article140688913.html

7/28/2017 9:32:41 AM

If the NCAA were to revoke championship titles, because it's UNC I could see them leaving the actual banners up at the Dean dome and making a bunch of T-shirts and a whole marketing campaign centered around "6-time national champions" or something like that just as a middle finger to the NCAA.

I agree that nothing of real consequence will come down on them, although I hope I'm wrong.

7/28/2017 10:21:59 AM

http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/07/26/feinstein-ncaa-must-hammer-unc-for-academic-fraud/

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"Never in history has there been an NCAA investigation like the one that is (still) ongoing at the University of North Carolina. Now, six years after the initial investigation began, it appears that the school will finally have its day in NCAA Court on August 14th. The outcome will almost certainly have a huge impact on UNC and on college athletics – one way or the other. The basic premise of the investigation is this: During a period that might have been as long as 18 years (!!) dating from 1993, numerous Carolina athletes were involved in sham classes in the African and Afro-American studies department. In all, according to reporting done by the Raleigh News & Observer and an independent report sanctioned by UNC, about 3,100 students participated in the sham classes. Roughly half were scholarship athletes and many – most – were either football or basketball players. The classes, according to the reports, never met and the work required was absolutely minimal – if there was any work done at all. Regardless of the outcome of the NCAA case, the entire debacle has been humiliating for one of the best schools in the country. It was so bad that in 2015, Carolina was placed on probation by the North Carolina Accrediting Agency for academic institutions. Of course that had no affect on the football or – more importantly – basketball teams. Many schools who are investigated by the NCAA plea bargain. They self-impose sanctions in the hope that the NCAA will be lenient with them. Often, it works. Not always though: Louisville self-imposed a one-year postseason ban in 2016 in the wake of the “madam” scandal in its athletic dorm and was shocked last month when the NCAA came back and said that wasn’t enough. Now, the school is holding its breath, concerned that it might be stripped of its 2013 national basketball title. If so, it would be the first team ever stripped of a basketball title. In the past, the NCAA has been more than willing to strip Final Four appearances, but never a national championship. If you ask people involved in college athletics, the Carolina scandal goes well beyond bringing hookers into a dormitory or even paying off athletes. About the only thing that might be considered even close is shaving points. In short, there has never been an academic scandal like this – at least as far as anyone knows. Even so, Carolina has chosen not to take the plea-bargain route. It has fought the NCAA at every turn. And still is. Earlier this week, UNC Athletic Director Bubba Cunningham – who wasn’t at the school when the scandal was unfolding but walked into it when he arrived in 2011 – gave a lengthy interview to CBS Sports.com’s Dennis Dodd. Cunningham said a lot of things to Dodd but his argument boils down to this: We should be let off on the basis of technicalities. This is the key Cunningham comment in the Dodd interview: “Is this academic fraud? Yes, it is by a normal person’s standard. But not by the NCAA’s definition.” In short: Yes, we’re guilty, but we should be let off because evidence was mishandled or a warrant wasn’t served properly. Cunningham went on to claim that the NCAA had “over-charged” UNC. First of all, prosecutors almost always overcharge. That’s one way to get a plea bargain: “We’ll drop the murder charge to manslaughter if you plead guilty.” Happens in cop-and-lawyer shows all the time; happens in real life, too. More important, though, is Cunningham, for all intents and purposes, challenging the NCAA’s right to punish Carolina for academic fraud. Where and how the NCAA can punish has always been a debatable question. When the Jerry Sandusky scandal unfolded at Penn State, NCAA President Mark Emmert came charging in on his white horse, banning Penn State football from postseason play for five years and fining the school $60 million. Emmert was roundly criticized for over-stepping, the postseason ban was reduced to two years, and the fine was reduced, too. UNC is pointing to that example as a reason why the NCAA should not “over-punish” after already “over-charging.” Except the two cases are apples and oranges. Sandusky committed a series of horrific crimes, but there is nothing in the NCAA rule-book governing those crimes. He hadn’t been employed by the school for 13 years when he was arrested. Emmert used the NCAA catch-all lack of institutional control to nail Penn State and there isn’t much doubt that Penn State failed to control Sandusky when it had information that he was sexuality assaulting young boys. Awful as Sandusky was, his crimes did not have anything to do with academics. In his comments to Dodd, Cunningham responds to the NCAA’s claim that UNC “leveraged a relationship” with Nyang’oro and Crowder to keep athletes eligible. Cunningham conceded that they did that, but goes on to say, “Happens every day.” He then uses the example of the athletic department “leveraging a relationship” with the business school to start a class on leadership that members of North Carolina’s “student-athlete advisory board” could take. That example is exactly the reason why the NCAA MUST punish UNC heavily. If you are going to claim that those who represent you in sports are “student-athletes,” then you cannot turn around and say the NCAA does not have the right to sanction you for academic fraud. If the day comes when the NCAA abandons the sham of the “student-athlete” and simply pays athletes in revenue sports, then fine, no need to worry about academics. Make it elective for players to take classes and work towards graduation. Basically, that’s the concept behind the “one-and-done” rule for basketball players. But, as of this moment, the NCAA and all its member schools – including athletic directors like Cunningham – are still claiming that their players are “student-athletes.” If that’s the case, if those two things are entwined, then academic fraud is absolutely within the umbrella of NCAA discipline. And, if your only argument against the current charges is that you ARE guilty but should be let off on a technicality, then you should be punished to the max. Remember, NCAA court is NOT a court of law. One does not have to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Cunningham has already admitted guilt on behalf of the school. If the NCAA lets UNC off with a wrist slap: loss of a few scholarships; a probation without sanctions; in fact, anything short of stripping at least one national title, it may very well face some kind of an uprising from other schools – led by Louisville, Syracuse, Connecticut, and others that have been punished in the recent past for crimes not comparable to those that took place in Chapel Hill. The team that will be most affected if a serious penalty is handed down is, clearly, the basketball team – if only because the football team hasn’t won anything that really mattered since Choo-Choo Justice played there. Losing a Belk Bowl trophy wouldn’t bother too many people. But losing a national championship – or two – would bother a lot of people. Roy Williams who, for the record, is a friend of mine and someone I admire and respect, has said repeatedly that “We did nothing wrong.” That’s entirely possible. Williams was an assistant coach at Carolina until 1989, when he left to coach at Kansas. He returned in 2003 as head coach long after the fraudulent system was in place. You can make the argument that he SHOULD have known at some point, but it is certainly possible that he did not. Unfortunately, that’s irrelevant right now. The only question is whether academic fraud took place. The athletic director says it did. Which is why Carolina’s punishment must be harsh for the NCAA to retain what little credibility it has left."

Crazy how brazen UNC and especially Cunningham have been and even crazier that their fans delude themselves into thinking this is run of the mill stuff and that they're the victims.

[Edited on July 28, 2017 at 12:44 PM. Reason : damn]

7/28/2017 12:39:06 PM

thanks for posting that entire article

7/30/2017 10:02:27 PM

today's the day, boys

[Edited on August 14, 2017 at 1:51 PM. Reason : or is it the 16-17? idk]

8/14/2017 1:48:01 PM

Wednesday, I believe

8/14/2017 1:55:32 PM

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"today's the day, boys"

8/15/2017 8:17:54 PM

8/15/2017 11:19:27 PM

Surprised they couldn't get it moved to "Eclipse Day"

With that being said, I'm expecting to be majorly disappointed.

8/16/2017 12:43:30 AM