At a grave rate. The foreign and domestic policies are leading us in a downward spiral. We spend most of our money on weapons and wars instead of health care and education. Fact. How can we expect any good from this?

"to err is human but to persist in error is diabolical."

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 8:42 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2006 8:34:34 PM

You are welcome to leave.

10/16/2006 8:35:20 PM

10/16/2006 8:36:39 PM

We are the first generation in the history of civilization to write about our belief that civilization is declining.

10/16/2006 8:41:03 PM

No one ever talks about upward spirals.

10/16/2006 8:47:08 PM

I don't understand how you can be called an insurgent or rebel for fighting of an unwarranted American invasion. But the problems stem from the core and spreads to U.S. belligerent foreign policies. People notice the problems, but do nothing to stop them. Doctors, lawyers, teachers, businessman, clergymen etc, don't do anything substantial on the whole to remedy the situation.

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 8:50 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2006 8:47:58 PM

um, so what should they be called?

teddybears?

or warriors of Allah?

10/16/2006 8:50:30 PM

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"You are welcome to leave."

10/16/2006 9:00:51 PM

I saw this quote in your profile.

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"I think, therefore I am~Descartes "

He had to of understood the reading of it you took, that thinking is what makes a good life, but what he was really going for is thinking proves existence. He would have just as gladly said I eat therefore I am if he thought it could prove the point he was going for.

It was okay for him to have a dual entendre with something deep sounding, since it also worked at proving the point he wanted.

It is just as much in their nature to fight & mislabel the enemy as it is in ours. And the only truce will come at hands of the same people who want war, once the conflict has played itself out and a new balance is struck. You can wait for the show to end to see what happens, but complaining about what’s on TV isn’t going to change anything. Are you backing up your words with real world action?

You’ve said some deep sounding things, but I wonder if you are also working to prove your point?
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I also saw that you call yourself the E-Man. Its amusing in that E-whatever is the common way of speaking about online actions. I didn’t mean before to suggest that participating in the online dialogue with your peers is a bad thing, but I just don’t think its enough alone to be an E-man.

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 9:16 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2006 9:09:21 PM

it begins.

10/16/2006 9:27:06 PM

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"We spend most of our money on weapons and wars instead of health care and education."

War is a form of health care. Terrorist attacks are usually extremely unhealthy for the people being attacked. Terrorist attacks can result in death or serious bodily injury, which are major health concerns. When you die, you have lost a major part of your life.

Further, what difference does education make if the educated people are dead because a terrorist has attacked them? Dead people are among the least intelligent segments of the population. (Evidenced by the fact that they frequently vote for Democrats.)

10/16/2006 9:53:41 PM

this thread started out stupid and then Wolfpack2K filled it with the most hilarious shit ever.

gg

10/16/2006 10:01:24 PM

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"The USA is deteriorating at a grave rate."

People are always saying that when their party isn't in power. The hungry masses in the 1930s, the fearful in the 1940s, the anti-communists in the 1950s, the protest culture of the 1960s and 70s, Democrats in the 1980s, and Republicans in the 1990s. We've certainly done a lot of stupid stuff during the last several years, but no offense, we've done stupid stuff before, and we'll do stupid stuff again in the future. You'll need to make a stronger case if you're going to preach about the end of the Republic.

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"Doctors, lawyers, teachers, businessman, clergymen etc, don't do anything substantial on the whole to remedy the situation."

Let me ask you this, what do you expect them to do about it? Attempt to oust the current government in hopes of replacing it with a new force that can check it? I believe that's going on right now, and it will probably succeed. Mass protests? No offense, but historically that has always been the least effective means of bringing about social change (usually more of a symptom of strife than an actual tool for change). Call for change? Everyone is doing it, but there's a lack of consensus to move anything forward; consider health care: doctors, lawyers, and businessmen have ideas on how to change health care, but they all disagree with the approach. Lobby the government? That's what all those "special interests" are doing on Capitol Hill. Take up arms and overthrow the government? I don't think we're at that point yet.

Again, what do you expect them to do about it?

10/16/2006 10:27:55 PM

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"War is a form of health care."

lol

10/16/2006 10:55:14 PM

The post by Wolfpack2K reminds me of the old verse...It's not the legislators that give you freedom, it's the veteran!

the poster of this thread might be on to something, however, as long as he's talking about the eroding line between welfare and charity, the illegal immigration problem, and the fact that we are taxed to death, among other things.

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 10:59 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2006 10:57:57 PM

it's happened before...

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"Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee, held in London on June 22, 1897, was one of the grandest fetes the world has ever seen: 46,000 troops and 11 colonial prime ministers arrived from the four corners of the earth to pay homage to their sovereign. The event was as much a celebration of Victoria's 60 years on the throne as it was of Britain's superpower status. In 1897, Queen Victoria ruled over a quarter of the world's population and a fifth of its territory, all connected by the latest marvel of British technology, the telegraph, and patrolled by the Royal Navy, which was larger than the next two navies put together. "The world took note," says the historian Karl Meyer. The New York Times gushed: "We are a part ... of the Greater Britain which seems so plainly destined to dominate this planet'." An 8-year-old boy, Arnold Toynbee, who became a great historian, watched the parade while sitting on his uncle's shoulders. "I remember the atmosphere," he later wrote. "It was: well, here we are on the top of the world, and we have arrived at this peak to stay there—forever! There is, of course, a thing called history, but history is something unpleasant that happens to other people." "

10/16/2006 11:03:12 PM

If not for the American Republic abandoning its founding precepts by 1897 Britain probably would still be the world super-power.

10/16/2006 11:26:04 PM

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"The foreign and domestic policies are leading us in a downward spiral."

I'm fairly sure I know which foreign policies you are talking about, but which domestic policies do you object to?

From the best statistics I can find the U.S. has an admerable domestic situation: unemployment is low, productivity is way up, industrial output is way up, foreign trade is booming, tax receipts are setting new records, and the deficit is half what it was only a few years ago.

If this is a downward spiral then I pray it continues forever.

10/17/2006 12:34:12 AM

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"War is a form of health care. Terrorist attacks are usually extremely unhealthy for the people being attacked. Terrorist attacks can result in death or serious bodily injury, which are major health concerns. When you die, you have lost a major part of your life. Further, what difference does education make if the educated people are dead because a terrorist has attacked them? Dead people are among the least intelligent segments of the population. (Evidenced by the fact that they frequently vote for Democrats.)"

Well why do we continue to aid Israel and occupy Iraq which are the causes of these terrorist attacks?

you're pretty much trying to cure yourself of aids by having sex with more and more people.

10/17/2006 12:43:52 AM

defending our country = attacking iraq!!!!

SAME THING!

10/17/2006 12:49:55 AM

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"Well why do we continue to aid Israel and occupy Iraq which are the causes of these terrorist attacks?"

Because if the terrorists see that they can bully countries like Israel and get away with it, then the next ones they come after could be us. And that could be very unhealthy for our citizens. And schools getting blown up would surely cause education to suffer. Not to mention all those trees that would die in the explosion.

Please, think of the trees.

10/17/2006 1:39:43 AM

hahaha yes yes Israel is being pushed around by terrorists.

you didnt do well in history did you?


also I believe we should worry about white dudes walking into our schools and killing the kids before some arabs do.

10/17/2006 1:46:42 AM

You didn't do well in reading comprehension, did you?

The word "if" makes a bit of a difference in that sentence.

10/17/2006 12:53:35 PM

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"War is a form of health care. Terrorist attacks are usually extremely unhealthy for the people being attacked. Terrorist attacks can result in death or serious bodily injury, which are major health concerns. When you die, you have lost a major part of your life."

that is seriously ridiculous.

what did the iraq have to do with terrorism again?

10/17/2006 12:58:08 PM

us invades iraq

insurgents/terrorists gather in iraq to try and kill us troops

terrorists who were spread around the world now all come to one place

so we can kill them

10/17/2006 1:06:06 PM

mhmm. that was the plan from the beginning. right. and how many of the deaths these days are from international terrorists and how many are from random groups from iraq?

10/17/2006 1:09:12 PM

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"I also saw that you call yourself the E-Man. Its amusing in that E-whatever is the common way of speaking about online actions. I didn’t mean before to suggest that participating in the online dialogue with your peers is a bad thing, but I just don’t think its enough alone to be an E-man."

I don't know what you're talking about. You're spinning now.

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" Let me ask you this, what do you expect them to do about it?"

I going to sum this up for you really quick, because I started out then I stopped. It felt like I was rewriting the dad-gom The Canterbury Tales.

Doctors: should know more than anyone else about the danger of pollution that is being emitted by big corporations, in particular the weapons industry.Some two million Americans incur cancer as a result every year and most of them die of it before they even know it. Yet, they never wage one dad-gom protest against the US government for not setting strict restrictions on the emission of toxic wastes that comes especially from the weapons industry.They are silent.

Businessmen: Have no sense of ethics. The weapons industry in particular, in which items are sold that hurt and kill people. Need I say more.Their only concern is to make more money and to acquire more wealth. Selling weapons to friends and enemies alike.

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"Mass protests? No offense, but historically that has always been the least effective means of bringing about social change"

Whoever said it was futile? I don't think you have a full understanding of politics. Statements like this clearly demonstrate your lack of knowledge.

10/17/2006 2:27:55 PM

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"dad-gom"

10/17/2006 2:29:20 PM

I victor

10/17/2006 3:20:34 PM

it's changing, yes, downward? not really, though there does seem to be a paradigm shift on the horizon....

10/17/2006 3:22:47 PM

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""Excuse me, but "proactive" and "paradigm"? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important? Not that I'm accusing you of anything like that. I'm fired, aren't I?""

10/17/2006 3:24:46 PM

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"it's changing, yes, downward? not really, though there does seem to be a paradigm shift on the horizon...."

O.....K. Do you care to back this weak claim up at all?

10/17/2006 7:02:49 PM

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"We are the first generation rebels in the history of civilization to write about our belief that civilization is declining."

I don't believe.

10/17/2006 7:09:29 PM

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"You are welcome to leave."

shit, i actually WANT to leave...i cant, and its not even cause bush sucks...MTV has put me over the edge, it makes me hate america so much

10/17/2006 7:18:11 PM

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"emission of toxic wastes"

Any toxic waste in particular? I ask, because to the best of my knowledge weapons manufacture does not pollute much more than the manufacture of commercial automobiles.

10/17/2006 8:56:52 PM

Earl threads just keep getting better and better.

10/17/2006 9:06:58 PM

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"shit, i actually WANT to leave...i cant, and its not even cause bush sucks...MTV has put me over the edge, it makes me hate america so much "

I gotta say that this was the best thought that I have seen expressed in the soap box today, maybe ever.

10/17/2006 9:07:01 PM

I don't know if they pollute more than autos (I highly doubt the level) but their toxins are more deadlier. But nothing is done about restricting toxic waste emissions . Boeing and Westinghouse, some of the biggest perpetrators to be exact, instead place their problems of "cleaning up" on the hands of others.

10/17/2006 9:17:09 PM

Cleaning up what? You have not said what they are dumping or who they are having clean it up.

I suspect one abandoned copper mine in Texas dumps more toxic chemicals into the water table than all U.S. weapons production combined.

10/17/2006 9:51:35 PM

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"Cleaning up what?"

Toxic waste in the air and ground, yellow cake (uranium u308). Nuclear weapons sites are the filthiest. Sorry for not answering that question for you earlier.

Someone went public with a video about GE years back. They got shut down (weapons development), resulting in others being more "under the radar" about their endeavors.

[Edited on October 17, 2006 at 10:02 PM. Reason : .]

10/17/2006 9:58:15 PM

So the USA is declining, but our football team is the best ever and gonna be conference champs....

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"I think we're gonna dominate the ACC this year. "

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=430830

Yep...you're an idiot...

10/17/2006 10:00:51 PM

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"I gotta say that this was the best thought that I have seen expressed in the soap box today, maybe ever."

thank you sir...the exact show that made me finally go over the edge was something about kids that have tourettes(sp?) and how they want to be normal

i just couldnt believe that shit

10/17/2006 10:04:12 PM

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"You are welcome to leave."

10/17/2006 10:32:53 PM

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"Yet, they never wage one dad-gom protest against the US government for not setting strict restrictions on the emission of toxic wastes that comes especially from the weapons industry.They are silent."

See, this is where you've got me a bit confused. How is an individual doctor supposed to figure out that the handful of bizarre cancer cases he sees are supposedly part of some vast conspiracy by the defense industry? Do doctors have some sort of mysterious telepathic power to trade knowledge with one another and pool their observations to find statistical patterns? Or perhaps they have the time to meet every Thursday to go through the hundreds of cases that float through their desks and compare notes? Perhaps they're too busy fufilling their hypocratic oaths (ie. saving peoples lives) to go out and protest. Or perhaps the few research doctors there are, with the large numbers of papers they've published on what you talk about and go to the press with, are just wasting time.

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"Businessmen: Have no sense of ethics. The weapons industry in particular, in which items are sold that hurt and kill people. Need I say more.Their only concern is to make more money and to acquire more wealth. Selling weapons to friends and enemies alike."

Nothing like large blanket statements about complex issues into easily digestible yet utterly simplistic good and evil paradigms.

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"Boeing and Westinghouse, some of the biggest perpetrators to be exact, instead place their problems of "cleaning up" on the hands of others... Toxic waste in the air and ground, yellow cake (uranium u308). Nuclear weapons sites are the filthiest. "

Do you have specific cases? Sites? Who did they pass the buck to? If you're going to level such charges, the burden of proof is on you to prove it. I don't doubt that defense contractors have skirted a few pollution laws here and there, but I don't see how they're any worse than any other major industrial group in the United States.

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"Whoever said it was futile? I don't think you have a full understanding of politics. Statements like this clearly demonstrate your lack of knowledge."

Really now? For one thing, I never said they were futile. I said that they were the least effective. Large-scale protests tend to be a symptom that an issue is coming to boil, but as a tool itself, it's not the most effective means for bringing about change. If change does occur, it's because the mass protest was paired with something else, like industrial strikes, threats from the military, or a political opposition that already had momentum.

10/18/2006 12:22:34 AM