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"I assume when someone says they are moving towards a vegetarian diet that they are actually moving towards a vegetarian diet. substituting pork for red meat is not a step towards a vegetarian diet."

yes, moving towards, as in I only eat said pork once a week, or once every two weeks. Which is a major step for me, considering that I used to eat meat at every meal.

and I don't understand why people think I'm being an angry individual shaking my fist in furry over this. I just find it funny that people will say they are vegetarian, but will knowingly eat an animal.

5/11/2007 10:09:40 AM

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"Your chicken and turkeys weren't either. "

you have never seen a commercial hen house.

5/11/2007 10:11:42 AM

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"fish live their lives with no care in the world until the day they get caught and die. but thats just my look on it. yeah, i still feel guilty, but not AS bad. maybe i'm a bad person? whatever"

maybe you've never heard of farm-raised fish

whatever

5/11/2007 10:13:21 AM

Yeah, if any of you want to start feeling sorry for fish just take a trip to the Grand Asia Market in Cary. They have tanks packed so tight with live fish that they are suffocating and squishing each other.

They do have a great selection of fish at good prices. I got some really good Mackerel there the last time I went.

[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 11:56 AM. Reason : .]

5/11/2007 11:56:16 AM

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"you have never seen a commercial hen house."

apparently you haven't. they aren't raised in cages. the barns may be overcrowded, but they are not caged off or malnourished.

5/11/2007 1:10:12 PM

as regards to farmed fish, that's not healthy in the first place, so anybody who eats fish for health reasons (regardless of whether they label themselves "vegetarian" or not), but eats farmed fish, is ignorant.

farmed fish are VERY high in hormones, pesticides, and other nasty stuff, even more so than land animals which are commerically raised.

the reason is land animals only get those substance in a targeted fashion, i.e., from food, injections, etc.

whereas for fish, a lot of those chemicals are dumped into the water, and they live in that water, which continuously passes over their lungs, so it accumulates to a very high degree. the equivalent for land animals would be the air was pumped with chemicals which would be inhaled.

look up the studies that have been done.

i would rather die than eat farmed fish, and i love fish.

farmed fish =

5/11/2007 3:40:53 PM

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"continuously passes over their lungs"

wait what

5/11/2007 3:44:02 PM

OH FUCK

gills

5/11/2007 3:46:16 PM

5/11/2007 3:47:04 PM

Shellfish don't count. Put a plant and an oyster in a maze. Who gets out first?

5/11/2007 5:48:04 PM

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"you have never seen a commercial hen house."

ummm, idiots (not just whoever posted this comment, but everyone.). (Typical)Hen houses are used for EGG LAYING. Broiler production and egg production and breeder production are all different things. They're not run or processed the same or for the same purpose. WOW! KNOW WHERE YOUR FOOD COMES FROM!!!!!

[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 6:16 PM. Reason : ]

5/11/2007 6:09:23 PM

^^ umm, oyster.

plants still can't move you know, even if they are racing an oyster, which can move, albeit very slowly. at least i think they can, by sticking out their body from the shell, and then moving.

5/11/2007 6:13:09 PM

Vegetarians smell funny.

5/11/2007 6:23:04 PM

I was a vegetarian for 4 years ...then I had a cheeseburger and it was awesome!

But suddenly I'd like to become a vegetarian again...My little sister is one and she has inspired me

5/11/2007 6:29:31 PM

all your fish are belong to us.

5/11/2007 6:49:16 PM

i never understood the fish thing either

5/11/2007 6:51:41 PM

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"but some people are vegetarians for purely health reasons and therefore are not being hypocrites by eating fish."

yes .... yes it does ....

5/11/2007 6:55:17 PM

I'm a vegetarian and eat fish is like a guy saying he's straight but sucks cock.

5/11/2007 7:10:51 PM

^its almost poetry

5/11/2007 7:35:10 PM

why do humans got K9s if they ain't suppose to use em.

5/11/2007 7:42:27 PM

why do you have an appendix?

5/11/2007 7:45:54 PM

Humans are just scum. We are the only animal that kills for sport.

5/11/2007 7:48:07 PM

Tha's not entirely ture.

5/11/2007 7:48:33 PM

Killer wales do torture their food... It's not quite killing purely for sport, but I don't think you'd find many people who'd find the idea of torturing a cow before eating it appealing.

5/11/2007 7:50:11 PM

What other animal kills for sport? All other animals kill for protection or food. They dont kill for the sake of killing.

5/11/2007 7:51:24 PM

The appendix is considered vestigial. It no longer serves a function. Thus we have evolved away from a diet of grasses and leaves. Our closest relatives, the chimp, hunts for meat. They also kill for reasons other than food. Devolve if you want to. I'll eat you on the island, or kill you for fun.

5/11/2007 7:53:41 PM

Monkeys do not kill just to watch another animal die. Please post your evidence of this.

5/11/2007 7:55:00 PM

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"CORWIN: Well, you know, the thing about chimpanzees is, we sort of look at them through our rose colored cultural glasses -- the cute little chimp in the "Tarzan" movie. Those are very young chimps. Chimps grow up, they become very powerful. They are very complex in their behavior. They have a whole range of emotions, including violence and anger. And they -- chimps, in chimp society -- while you may see a display of compassion, at the same time, you can see chimp murder. We just got back from Uganda , and we actually looked at footage of chimps that had murdered another chimp."

http://www.chimpcollaboratory.org/news/ahr3.asp

[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 7:57 PM. Reason : link]

5/11/2007 7:57:20 PM

Where does that say it wasn't territorial?

5/11/2007 7:58:09 PM

Would you believe Jane Goodall?

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"From 1964 to 1974, Goodall relates that she got married, had a child, whom they nicknamed lovingly, "Grub" and subsequently got divorced. She spent more and more time away from Gombe, giving lectures to the "civilized" world. At this time, she became more and more aware of the damage humans were and are doing to their environment. Jane relates that she feels an individual can feel two ways about life: either like Macbeth, life is nothing more than a "tale told by an idiot," or that we are here for a purpose, a plan. The title of her book, "Reason for Hope" tells the reader exactly what Jane believes! She discusses marrying her second husband, Derek, the growth of students studying at Gombe, and the terrorism that subsequently occurred there. Segueing therefrom, Jane discussed the violence that she then discovered in her usual peaceful chimps. Violence that included murder of other adult chimps as well as infants. The scientific world once again was turned on its ear by Goodall and many didn't believe her findings. She proceeds to speculate on these occurrences and how much "man" is like her chimps."

5/11/2007 8:02:01 PM

I repeat where does that say it wasn't territorial?

5/11/2007 8:04:02 PM

^it doesn't matter what the motivation, it's still murder, you dumb cunt.

5/11/2007 8:07:56 PM

pls to pay attention in class, or lose the right to participate:

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"What other animal kills for sport? All other animals kill for protection or food. They dont kill for the sake of killing."

5/11/2007 8:09:51 PM

Murder is different than killing for sport. Sorry you aren't smart enough to realize that.

5/11/2007 8:09:58 PM

I paid attention just fine. Did you? I'll remind you what you said that I addressed:

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"Monkeys do not kill just to watch another animal die. Please post your evidence of this."

Now from Good1

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"Violence that included murder of other adult chimps as well as infants."

So would you put killing an infant under food or protection?

5/11/2007 8:13:28 PM

It would depend upon the situation. In heard mentality, when you are threatened, you kill anyone that isn't on your side, regardless of age. This is not killing for sport. Killing for sport is when you go murder a person just to watch them die. When you go hunting an animal, just to shoot your gun. There are many reasons to kill, but we are the only ones that kill just to kill, without any outside force acting upon us.

5/11/2007 8:17:24 PM

It simply isn't that simple. Sorry you aren't smart enough to realize that.

5/11/2007 8:20:25 PM

Please post proof of an instance where any other animal has hunted down an animal, for no reason other than to kill it and leave its body behind.

5/11/2007 8:21:58 PM

Have you never seen a cat?

5/11/2007 8:26:15 PM

They say that wolves have killed just for the sake of killing before.

5/11/2007 8:26:37 PM

When do cats kill for sport? They kill for their space being invaded and for food.
And please post this wolf proof.

5/11/2007 8:29:10 PM

My cats killed moles and mice all the time just because they were there.



Stop being a douche. This is getting ridiculuous, even for me.

5/11/2007 8:32:15 PM

So your cat goes outside of its environment to kill an a random mouse and leave its body behind. I'm sure you observe this all the time.

5/11/2007 8:33:15 PM

Your argument is false. There is always a reason to for killing. To kill someone for power, fun, territory, procreation, struggle for scarce resources.

Please provide an instance where a human has done this?

5/11/2007 8:34:40 PM

What other animal kills for fun?

5/11/2007 8:35:30 PM

What is to argue that people kill for fun? It may be described as fun but what prevents it from being a primordial urge to hone one's skills?

5/11/2007 8:38:56 PM

What other animal kills just to make them self a better killer?

5/11/2007 8:40:32 PM

I watched a thing on national geographic about juvenile wolfpacks just killing other animals for the hell of it.

^almost all predatory animals.

[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 8:41 PM. Reason : .]

5/11/2007 8:40:35 PM

I have yet to see one piece of proof to any of these statements. Please post proof where an animal has killed for no other reason than to kill. I can easily post references to hunters, serial killers, etc.

5/11/2007 8:43:04 PM

SET EM UP

5/11/2007 8:43:32 PM