at this point and time, no matter the evidence we come up with, you'll just claim they did it for some other reason.

5/11/2007 8:45:01 PM

Or you could find some proof.

5/11/2007 8:45:55 PM

Your argument in itself is dubious. "animal has killed for no other reason than to kill". To kill is to deprive of life. The reasons for making dead are numerous.

I thought this was about leaf eating nuts anyways.

5/11/2007 8:50:34 PM

What other animal kills just to "deprive of life"

[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 8:51 PM. Reason : ]

5/11/2007 8:51:33 PM

the same dubious question

5/11/2007 8:53:30 PM

Its all the same question, you just keep changing the way its said instead of finding proof to back your claims that other animals are as pointless of murderers as humans.

5/11/2007 8:54:36 PM

pointless murders is a hollow argument. Value to whom?

5/11/2007 8:58:45 PM

Are you so "ignant" that you can't see my point? I will gladly take your side if you can find any proof of another serial killing, or sport hunting species.

5/11/2007 9:00:24 PM

look at it this way... if it werent for the rednecks then your chances of hitting a deer increase ten fold.

5/11/2007 9:02:53 PM

blasphemour

i've watched one of the many cats my family has had kill bird and other animals for no reason, period. many days later the bird's body would be laying in the yard. the bird did not threaten the cat at all. you are wrong, it happens.

5/11/2007 9:09:37 PM

Was this on foreign territory or was this an animal that entered your cats territory?

5/11/2007 9:10:37 PM

blasphemour is winning this shit

I feel like stepping in the ring and taking the W for myself, but he's doing good work

5/11/2007 9:13:30 PM

the cat was not guarding its territory. and its not one specific instance, its happened many times. not only did it kill the bird, it would PLAY with it, and bat it around after injuring it before killing it. if you cant acknowledge that that is killing for fun or sport, you are just being stubborn.

5/11/2007 9:14:32 PM

Also for all you people claiming cats do it for the sake of fun or sport...cats that are domesticated kill out of instinct. Cats naturally hunt for their own food, and when taken into a home, will still kill out of instinct, even if not hungry. Just for the fact their brain tells them, that is what they are supposed to be doing.
Humans killing humans are not doing it because they have the natural urge to eat another human. A cat will not hunt down another random cat to murder it, just to murder it.

5/11/2007 9:15:38 PM

^riiiight. so its instinct to torture the bird before killing it? thats comical.

5/11/2007 9:19:21 PM

It's called tenderizing. Also, like I said, did this bird happen to be on your property? Cats will kill for their owners as a gift. To them they are giving back food, the same way you feed your cat.

5/11/2007 9:21:39 PM

Quote :

"The best-known example is the European Common Cuckoo. The cuckoo egg hatches earlier than the host's, and the cuckoo chick grows faster; in most cases the chick evicts the eggs or young of the host species."

5/11/2007 9:26:46 PM

How is this killing for sport?

5/11/2007 9:28:03 PM

what about the chimpanzee murders? They murdered. If it was killing for any purpose it wouldn't ahve been murder.

5/11/2007 9:31:22 PM

Quote :

"It's called tenderizing."

OK. I know that you dont really believe that. The cat batted it around for maybe 30 seconds before killing it. The force of the cat's blows would not 'tenderize' anything, not to mention it took not a single bite to eat of the bird. And it didnt plan to eat it later either. I have taken multiple birds and threw them in the woods because they were still laying in the yard days later. It killed the bird for fun. There is no other explanation.

5/11/2007 9:31:52 PM

Because some dame says the word murder it means there was no reason behind it? Did this broad live with them from the cradle to the grave? How does she know that one of the chimps wasn't threatened in some way?

5/11/2007 9:32:48 PM

So please tell me about all the birds your cat has killed outside of its own territory?

You kids feel free to keep on repeating your weak stories, with no fact or documentation, and ill keep trusting in what I see to be true. This reminds me of God.

5/11/2007 9:34:47 PM

LOL. You have it backwards. I AM the one who is telling you what i have personally seen to be true, you are the one with no evidence, personal or otherwise.

5/11/2007 9:37:36 PM

So it isn't killng for fun when my dog goes into my neighbors yard to dig up mole mounds and bring the dead bodies back to me, drop them in front of me, then as soon as I go to get rid of them, pick them up in his mouth and play keep away??

5/11/2007 9:38:25 PM

Are you talking about same species or prey? WTF?

5/11/2007 9:38:42 PM

There is plenty of proof to the fact that nothing exists its called nothing. Your word is hardly proof. If you say you saw a dog stand on its hind legs, pull a gun out of its ass and shoot a baby in the teeth, it must be fact, because you said it happened. However, I have video documentation, news reports, and victims to claim the fact that humans kill humans for no other reason than to kill.

[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 9:40 PM. Reason : ]

5/11/2007 9:39:58 PM

i dont think anyone denied humans kill just to kill. the argument is that animals also do it.

5/11/2007 9:42:19 PM

Quote :

"So it isn't killng for fun when my dog goes into my neighbors yard to dig up mole mounds and bring the dead bodies back to me, drop them in front of me, then as soon as I go to get rid of them, pick them up in his mouth and play keep away??"

Like I said early, this is a pets way of returning the favor of feeding them. They are giving you a gift of food. They give it with the intent of it being eaten. Its their natural instinct to hunt for food, and being domesticated stops the need to do so, but they still feel the need to do it. So they are attempting to feed you, the same way you feed them.

^And yet you have yet to give any documented proof to your claim, besides "I saw my cat kill a bird that was on its property"

[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 9:43 PM. Reason : ]

5/11/2007 9:42:19 PM

so if my dog is returning the favor, what purpose does he have in playing keep away with it like he does a stick or his toy? He had no intention of me eating it. he wanted me to play with him.

5/11/2007 9:45:33 PM

anyone equating the mentality behind human killing for sport vs animals killing other animals to mean the same thing... has to be really really really really stupid if they dont understand that humans have a higher sense of moral values and that some humans chose to disregard these morals in times of passion and or fun

5/11/2007 9:46:20 PM

I bet you play with your dog

5/11/2007 9:46:21 PM

You kids have a good time trying to find documented proof to your tall tales. I will now take leave, but be sure to come back to find your lack of doing so.

Morals? WTF are you talking about? Morals are a man made mindset, and I wouldn't expect an animal to have them. Man wasn't meant to have morals, we were meant to live for ourselves and to make ourselves and those we care about happy. You just choose to limit your life because the people around you tell you you should.

[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 9:48 PM. Reason : ]

5/11/2007 9:46:36 PM

The problem is that you have already made up your mind as to what was true, and are making guesses for explanations at why things happen so that these events can support your view, rather than taking the simplest explanation which is usually the true one. So when the cat sees a bird, injures it, tortures it, then kills it and leaves the dead body there for no apparent reason, you have to think of a logical reason it did it to fit with your viewpoint.

^but i do agree with that. morals dont really come into this part of the argument.

[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 9:52 PM. Reason : .]

5/11/2007 9:49:35 PM

i didnt read this whole thread but...


ok i got one for ya....

when i studied abroad in the czech republic...prague if you will....well in the last week or so.... our group took a trip to southern bohemia. we went to a lot of midevil town... cesky budjovice, cesky krumlov (hostel was filmed here not slovakia), trebon, etc....


well we were asked prior to this trip weather we wanted meat (pork) or vegetarian (fried cheese-is vegetarian in czech republic). well wehen we go t othe dinner the meat entree was turkey (it was good) but people who asked for vegetarian accepted turkey and people your wanted meat had to wait alot of extra time to it. (ps often in the czech republic vegetarian/vegan dishes are cooked in animal fat.)



in my opinion.... if you eat fish or turkey or chicken, etc you arent vegetarian... you just choose not to eat certain meats. it just pises me off to hear people say oh im vegetarian but eat chickin, turkey, seafood.

[Edited on May 12, 2007 at 12:58 AM. Reason : for every animal you dont eat. im gonna eat three.]

5/12/2007 12:56:36 AM

suck ass

5/12/2007 4:00:30 AM

Vegetarians are full of lulz.

5/12/2007 4:11:34 AM

http://www.fishingnj.org/artdolphagress.htm

for blas

5/12/2007 4:18:27 PM

I didn't read all that, but from what I did, it sounds like they are just saying they kill for other reasons than food. It doesn't say that the dolphins hunt down and kill for no reason at all other than to kill. but if it does, please quote that part for me.

5/12/2007 4:31:52 PM

the whole article says that repeatedly.

5/13/2007 2:32:16 PM

what would you call someone who decided not to eat vegetables anymore, cause that's what I am

5/13/2007 2:50:39 PM

i went to a brazilian steakhouse the other night in san diego...they brought probably 15 different cuts of meat by the table, and I probably ate about 10 of them, including beef, pork, chicken, turkey, and lamb.

then we killed a rabbit in the field a few days later when we were training and ate that.

5/13/2007 3:03:33 PM

^^
a scurvy case

[Edited on May 13, 2007 at 3:05 PM. Reason : /]

5/13/2007 3:04:31 PM

are oranges a vegetable?

5/13/2007 3:09:12 PM

^ fruit. if you only eat meat, you're a carnivore.

5/13/2007 3:36:44 PM

if you want to be technical, go all the way. going half-way is silly and confusing.

there are no such things as "vegetables", speaking scientifically.

there are fruits, shoots, leaves, roots, seeds, etc.

and "vegetarian" doesn't mean someone who eats just "vegetables". it means someone who eats only plant products.

5/13/2007 3:42:52 PM

I didn't say only meat (I know that I'd die)

[Edited on May 13, 2007 at 3:46 PM. Reason : s]

5/13/2007 3:44:44 PM

well then, if vegetables= vegetation as stated above (fruits, shoots, leaves, etc), then you'd be a carnivore.

if by that you mean you eat fruit, seeds, and other stuff, then there is no word for that.

5/13/2007 3:48:27 PM

Stupidest business decision, esp in today's world?

YES.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6653175.stm

Quote :

"Mars starts using animal products Masterfoods' brands are household names Some of the UK's best-selling chocolate bars, such as Mars and Twix, will no longer be suitable for vegetarians. Also affecting brands such as Snickers and Maltesers, owner Masterfoods said it had started to use animal product rennet to make its chocolate products. Masterfoods said the change was due to it switching the sourcing of its ingredients and the admission was a "principled decision" on its part. The Vegetarian Society said the company's move was "incomprehensible". 'Extremely disappointed' "

5/14/2007 7:57:27 PM

Quote :

"Vegetable is a culinary term which generally refers to an edible part of a plant. The definition is traditional rather than scientific and is somewhat arbitrary and subjective. All parts of herbaceous plants eaten as food by humans, whole or in part, are normally considered vegetables. Mushrooms, though belonging to the biological kingdom fungi, are also commonly considered vegetables. In general, vegetables are thought of as being savory, and not sweet, although there are many exceptions. Nuts, grains, herbs, spices and culinary fruits (see below) are normally not considered vegetables."

5/14/2007 8:00:07 PM

^ thanks for defining vegetable.


^^ so why did they switch to animal products if the other worked just as fine?

5/14/2007 8:23:50 PM