nvm

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:27 PM. Reason : fuck it]

9/24/2007 12:23:42 PM

stupid people shouldn't breed drive post

9/24/2007 12:25:53 PM

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"o you are saying that if some preggers woman was having a kid then you would be just like "fuck it" im not moving b/c im the asshole that think he is the traffic pololololice"

I'm not saying I'd block people. Just as people don't have the right to slow down traffic to suit them, you don't have to right to risk other people's lives beceause you're in a hurry. If people only drove like that in absolute emergencies, then you're analogy might be valid, but even in the extreme case you miss the point. Just because someone thinks they have an important reason to get somewhere a little faster does not give them the right to put everyone else on the road's life at risk. That's the height of arrogance. Now of course I'm not talking about just speeding, but the agressive tail gating and rapid lane changing crap many people in this thread are guilty of.

9/24/2007 12:25:59 PM

...You're still missing the point he's trying to make

you can't know for sure

9/24/2007 12:27:39 PM

because the first act as father to your near birth child should be to drive 120mph down the highway

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:29 PM. Reason : give me the ambulance, i'll drive]

9/24/2007 12:28:49 PM

^ lol...

and as far as I'm concerned, people used to have babies without hospitals and they were fine.

9/24/2007 12:29:20 PM

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"people used to have babies without hospitals and they were fine."

Sometimes.

What about other trips to ERs? (had one of those recently, too. When you're exhibiting all the signs of meningitis, you kinda wanna get there as quickly as possible, but an ambulance ride is excessive. )

Or the parent hauling ass to the hospital because they just got word of something happening to their kid?

Or (I've been in this situation) someone going as fast as they can because they got the 'hey - you better get out here ASAP because it looks like your gramma's gonna die pretty soon'?

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"because the first act as father to your near birth child should be to drive 120mph down the highway"

This thread is not at all about speeds in the triple digit range.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:31 PM. Reason : alkj]

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:32 PM. Reason : lkjdf]

9/24/2007 12:31:16 PM

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"...You're still missing the point he's trying to make "

I get what he's trying to say, and yes intentionally slowing people down is stupid. But once again, the arrogance of a left-lane slow-ass driver doesn't in any way mitigate the arrogance of an agressive jackass. Sure, I'll give you that hanging right when not passing mitigates the second problem in light traffic, but the fact is that people still expect people to get out of their way in heavy traffic- when doing so is dangerous and unproductive.

Again, the reason doesn't matter. Even if you have a "good reason" to drive like that, you're still putting your needs ahead of the lives of other people on the road. Maybe it's justified, but I'm sure the tailgaters on here aren't justified when they decide their 4 minutes is more valuable than grandpa's life.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:34 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2007 12:31:53 PM

again

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"because I'm not going to let .00000001% of the situation dictate what I do 99.99999999% of the time."

ambrosia, does the tail wag the dog much?

9/24/2007 12:32:44 PM

^ nah, fuck everyone else because my personal issues take precedence over your safety and mine and I'm a pro nascar driver

9/24/2007 12:33:12 PM

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"Even if you have a "good reason" to drive like that, you're still putting your needs ahead of the lives of other people on the road."

speeding != endangerment

Just because some speeders are reckless doesn't mean that every one is.

I can flash my lights and lay on my horn without riding your ass.

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"ambrosia, does the tail wag the dog much?"

1) the scenario you posted is a prime example
2) the point you're choosing to ignore is that you just don't fucking know

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:34 PM. Reason : we get it. you're a dick. you don't have to prove that constantly.]

9/24/2007 12:33:24 PM

people used to have babies go to work/shopping without hospitals cars and they were fine

9/24/2007 12:34:30 PM

^^ I've already said I'm not talking about simple speeding. Read before responding

I don't care to count the number of times I've specifically mentioned dangerous agressive drivers. This is what I'm talking about. People attempt to defend their driving like this by saying it's arrogant for people to think they can just slow them down. If even a slim majority of the people bitching in this thread limited their tactics to staying the legal distance back and flashing their lights, then I wouldn't even be talking.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:37 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2007 12:34:50 PM

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"Keep honking...Im reloading "

9/24/2007 12:36:11 PM

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"KEEP FLAHSING ME"

I do not know why flashing lights is consider road here in the US. Over in europe this is the "polite" way to ask someone to move over. I would rather have someone flashing lights if they want to pass then have them ride my ass.

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" speeding != endangerment"

yeah exactly. I can be driving perfectly safe in the fast lane going 80 in a 65. While someone going 65 in the 65 can be a hazard weaving in and out of lanes, Not using a turn signal, following too closely, jabbing on the cellphone not paying attention to the road. I wish cops would focus on these dangerous drivers instead of someone just crusing down the road going 10 over.

If anything i am a better driver while speeding b.c I am staying alert for the 5-0 instead of fiddling w/ my cd player, talking on the cell, or some other task that drivers do instead of fucking driving

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:38 PM. Reason : l]

9/24/2007 12:37:00 PM

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"we get it. you're a dick."

Because I'm the guy driving up behind you recklessly and flashing my lights/honking my horn.

I'm the dick...

9/24/2007 12:37:46 PM

Well, apparently, his one post about talking about 'tailgating and rapid lane-changing' [the latter, of which, btw, isn't inherently dangerous either] is to apply to every other post in here.

Never mind that there really are people who take the 'speeding = dangerous' stance.


^I wasn't the one talking about tailgating. Honking and flashing are not reckless. Knowing that in NC, you're at fault for rear-end collisions means I don't fucking tailgate.

I'll probably keep that up once I move out of here, jsut because the hassle involved if something goes wrong just isn't worth it.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:39 PM. Reason : lkjd]

9/24/2007 12:38:37 PM

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"I do not know why flashing lights is consider road here in the US. "

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"I do not know why middle fingers are consider road here in the US. "

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"I do not know why expletives are consider road here in the US. "

9/24/2007 12:38:57 PM

^^ Nah it's not dangerous, just criminal. Of course, deciding you can break the law is a kind of arrogance- but to some extent so is having a spine. But yeah that's not what I'm getting on about. I've had people ride up on my ass while I'm in the left lane passing people and going 15 over plenty of times. They'll flash their lights and flick me off as though they're entitled to not have me in their way. I've even had one guy do this to me while in very heavy traffic while the passenger held up a handwritten sign saying "slower traffic keep right." The cry for yielding to faster traffic has to be tempered with a realization that you are not entitled to go as fast as you want.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:42 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2007 12:40:11 PM

consider road?

9/24/2007 12:40:50 PM

best parody thread ever.

9/24/2007 12:41:06 PM

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"Of course, deciding you can break the law is a kind of arrogance"

So?

Finding someone who has never, ever broken a single law, ever is like finding someone who hasn't sinned.

9/24/2007 12:42:17 PM

^not his point dipshit.


You're saying it's ok for you to break the law in cases that you deem necessary.

9/24/2007 12:42:44 PM

^^ You really missed the whole point of that sentence. Way to quote out of context.

9/24/2007 12:43:32 PM

It's okay to break a lot of fucking laws, if you're willing to overlook legality.

Necessity be damned.

^well, when I reply to a 2line post, and address that, of course it's going to look out of context once you've added some context.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:44 PM. Reason : lkj]

9/24/2007 12:43:46 PM

Please note that in that same sentence I equated obeying all laws with spinelessness.

^The hypenation was added well before you responded.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:45 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2007 12:44:30 PM

it's ok guys, one of those little teeth from the plastic applicator lacerated her vajayjay. So she's a little bitchy this morning.

9/24/2007 12:45:03 PM

I don't have a cycle, thanks

^^so it was, but when I had the reply window open, the original post was what I had up.



[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:46 PM. Reason : alk]

9/24/2007 12:45:26 PM

Nobody make a tranny joke.

^ Well then...

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:46 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2007 12:46:27 PM

I don't give a shit if you've gone 15+ and had someone behind you being aggressive. everyone has. Once I was done passing whatever it was I was passing, I got over and let them pass. I don't give a shit why they're doing what they're doing. I just want them away from me, and will facilitate that.


So you think they're reckless and dangerous. GG. They're not the only people in life who endanger others.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:49 PM. Reason : I've replied to your edit. Are you happy now]

9/24/2007 12:49:26 PM

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"Nah it's not dangerous, just criminal. Of course, deciding you can break the law is a kind of arrogance"

b.c all laws are created by our superheros in the NC capitol building and US congress who wake up every morning thinking about what they can do to create the perfect utopia here.

I guess every college kid who sips on a beer before 21 is also a criminal ; or every driver going 45 on the shitty country road when the speed limit drops to 25 for a whole 1/2 mile so that the police there can set up a speed trap.

I hate to burst your bubble but now all laws are created for the public good. Unless you are blazing a 100 mph down the road getting a ticket is paying the "premium highway tax" which the municipality relies on for a revenue source.

I almost think alcohol age enforcement is merely a disguised "revenue generator" b.c they know college kids 18-20 will drink. Tickets are $100 revenue a pop and they just mask the enforcement under the banner of "preventing drinking and driving."

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:51 PM. Reason : l]

9/24/2007 12:49:56 PM

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"They're not the only people in life who endanger others."

we're not debating everyone else, we're debating the reckless speed habits of people who endanger others.


^ So the system isn't perfect. Fuck all laws.

9/24/2007 12:52:51 PM

Truthfully the asshole driving slow is the one driving recklessly. Making someone pass you on the right is very dangerous and the cause of a lot of accidents. In Germany it is actually illegal to pass on the right. People though are better drivers and also respect other motorists by getting right if someone is trying to pass. You do not have as many morons that do not know any better or the "self rightout" (probably former hallway monitors) who drive in the left lane to slow down those "crazy speeders"

9/24/2007 12:54:32 PM

^^^ READ THE LAST PART OF THAT SENTENCE PLEASE. Jesus, I made the point that obeying all laws is spinelessness. There's a balance where you're not selfishly risking other people's lives.

If you quote me and say "but not all laws should necessarily be obeyed" then you are AGREEING with the sentence you are misquoting. Please read entire sentences as their meaning may actually depend on all the words in them.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:56 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2007 12:54:36 PM

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"So the system isn't perfect. Fuck all laws."

That is not what i was implying. The point is people shouldn't confuse morality and legality. Just b.c something is the law does not mean that they have to blindly accept it w/o questioning if it has some alternative motive besides the social good of society.

9/24/2007 12:56:05 PM

Of course the issue of legality and obedience to laws can be interesting to discuss in regards to states with "keep right" laws. People pointing out those laws while at the same time speeding themselves could be accused of being hypocritical.

9/24/2007 12:59:06 PM

RE READ FIRST POST AS:

BECAUSE SOMEONE WANTED ME TO GET OUT OF THE WAY, THEY HURT MY PRIDE, AND NOW I HAVE TO SHOW OFF AND BE AN ASSHOLE SO THAT RECOGNIZE THAT I'M NOT REALLY THE LOSER THAT ALL SIGNS POINT TO.

GET YOUR CORSSICA OUT OF THE WAY, ASSHAT. YOU NEED TO BE IN THE RIGHT LANE, IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN IT WILL BE EASIER TO PULL OVER WHEN THAT PIECE OF SHIT BREAKS DOWN.

9/24/2007 1:00:35 PM

With the exception of local municipalities changing speed limits due to accident prone stretches or speed traps, speed limits are set by engineers who helped design the road. The actual speed limit is set to a the theorized percentile of how fast different drivers will drive and is actually a fraction of the absolute maximum speed that can be driven safely. The set speed is created knowingly that some drivers will drive "faster" then the speed limit.

The speed limit is thus created to help ensure driver safety b.c if they posted a speed closer to the maximum speed the road could handle you would still have morons trying to go faster and a lot more accidents. The "Slower Traffic Keep Right" is just another tactic used by traffic engineers to help increase safety with the knowledge that some drivers will be going faster then the mean traffic speed. Even though the driver going 10 over is technically "breaking the law" the bitch in the passing lane going the speed limit is creating the actual traffic hazard.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 1:07 PM. Reason : l]

9/24/2007 1:06:05 PM

Again, the argument that "Speeding=dangerous" has not been made.

9/24/2007 1:07:26 PM

well you tried to call me hypocritical. Truth being you actually presented a false argument.

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"Of course the issue of legality and obedience to laws can be interesting to discuss in regards to states with "keep right" laws."

Unless you are in Indiana there is NO Fucking keep right law. It is merely a suggestion so you and you speed limit driving POS car does not increase accidents and obstruct fluid traffic flow.

9/24/2007 1:09:49 PM

I didn't call you a hypocrite since you haven't cited keep right laws. I wasn't referring to you.

Also, as far as keep-right laws go:

http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html

Many states do have laws that slower traffic must keep right and some even allow only passing in the left lane. From what I can tell, indiana is NOT one of them though. False argument eh?

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 1:14 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2007 1:10:43 PM

if you'd just get the fuck out of the way and drive/cruise in the RIGHT lane like you're supposed to, this never would have been an issue.

9/24/2007 1:12:45 PM

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"What right do they have to push me out of the way while I'm doing 70 when they want to go 80? how do they know that I don't have a bomb attached to my engine and if it goes any under 70mph or above 72mph then the whole thing explodes?"

then do it somewhere besides the left lane.


i don't care what you do in the right lane. i'll be courteous to you no matter how fast you're going there, and no matter how much faster i want to go (provided that you aren't going so slow that you're causing a hazard, like 35 mph down the interstate or something).

if you are in the left lane, i don't give a shit how fast you're going. if i want to go faster, i will have no mercy on you. i will get around you, and i don't really care how much tailgating, quick lane changes that cut you off, passing on the right, or flagrant displays of horsepower it takes. YOU'RE the one who's fucking the dog and causing me to improvise, adapt, and overcome to accomodate your incompetance.

The one caveat is that if you're in the left lane passing someone, that's perfectly acceptable. I don't care if you're going below the speed limit--if you're passing someone who's going even more below the speed limit, that's fine by me...at least until the point that you're finished passing and it's time for you to move back over.

9/24/2007 1:16:03 PM

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"speeding != endangerment"

Speed is the number one factor in fatal accidents.

You aren't as good a driver as you think you are.

Your reflexes aren't as quick as you think they are.

Just because the speedometer tops out at 120 mph doesn't mean your car is safe at that speed.

You should follow at a distance for a reason. Barrelling around someone in the right lane so that you can make sure traffic is packed like a sardine can doesn't get you anywhere faster.

9/24/2007 1:18:10 PM

Charybdisjim are you fucking blind

http://www.ai.org/legislative/ic/code/title9/ar21/ch8.html#IC9-21-8-2

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" Roadways; use of right half; exceptions; traveling at reduced speeds Sec. 2. (a) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway except as follows: (1) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing overtaking and passing. (2) When the right half of a roadway is closed to traffic under construction or repair. (3) Upon a roadway divided into three (3) marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable to a roadway divided into three (3) marked lanes. (4) Upon a roadway designated and signposted for one-way traffic."

but yeah more states also have them besides IN. I think i was thinking about IL though

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 1:19 PM. Reason : l]

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 1:20 PM. Reason : l]

9/24/2007 1:18:52 PM

Right half of highway /= right lane you fucking retard. This language deals with (and is identical to) the NC law code that forbids driving ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE road.

9/24/2007 1:21:00 PM

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"Speed is the number one factor in fatal accidents."

that's an oversimplified bastardization of statistics used to support low speed limits without applying common sense.

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"You aren't as good a driver as you think you are. Your reflexes aren't as quick as you think they are. Just because the speedometer tops out at 120 mph doesn't mean your car is safe at that speed."

also, i'm a pretty fucking good driver, and my car is just waking up at 120 mph.

I'm guessing that my reflexes are above average, too, but even if they aren't, my car's FAR superior ability to turn and stop compared to most anything else on the road will buy me a lot if the shit hits the fan (i.e., even supposing i don't have the reflexes to react a tenth of a second quicker, the 4-piston Brembo brakes and fat, sticky tires on my car will still allow me to stop MUCH more quickly).

I don't know where you get this idea that there aren't VAST difference in capability between both different drivers and different vehicles (even passenger vehicles...we don't even need to throw stuff like big trucks into the mix).

and let's not even think about different conditions (day/night, weather, traffic conditions, how heavily your vehicle is loaded, etc). Your poor little mind might explode.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 1:24 PM. Reason : asdfasd]

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 1:28 PM. Reason : asdfasd]

9/24/2007 1:21:23 PM

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"The one caveat is that if you're in the left lane passing someone, that's perfectly acceptable. I don't care if you're going below the speed limit"

Thanks duke you are a pal. I am normally a quick driver and will be courteous if someone driving faster to get over and let them pass. I get pissy though if I am passing a bunch of slower traffic and some fucktard starts riding my ass (i will go 80-85 down the highway so it is not like i'm grannying). I am not going to slow down so i can adapt into the slower moving traffic so you can get going again at 95. Sit back and i'll let you go by when i get passed grandma and all the soccer moms going the speed limit in the right.

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"Just because the speedometer tops out at 120 mph doesn't mean your car is safe at that speed."

Unless its duke showing off on his bike; i do not think anyone hear is advocating blasting down the highway going 120. So get off your high horse with the "omg, you think its ok to double the speed limit" crap

9/24/2007 1:33:05 PM

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"Just because the speedometer tops out at 120 mph doesn't mean your car is safe at that speed."

if you are driving some domestic POS then yes, but if you are driving an autobahn tested, modern marvel, then it is relatively safe at those speeds, so long as you've had the proper training and take the proper precautions. However, unfortunately, due to the quality of drivers and highways in the US, going 120mph in ANYTHING is unsafe in America.

9/24/2007 1:36:13 PM

^^^ No, it's not an oversimplification. Driving too fast for conditions is in the leading factor in traffic accidents.

I have no problem with speed limits as they are now.

I would have no problem with raising interstate speed limits.

I do have a problem with people who think they can barrel down the highway, in traffic, at 15-20+ mph above the speed limit.

I do have a problem with people who think that it's safe to drive 3 feet off my rear bumper.

My 'you' was directed at people in general, not you in particular. But thank you anyway for pointing out that drivers and cars are all different. I never considered that...[/sarcasm]. Other than your bragging, I know nothing about your driving skills. Your car, however, is not the average vehicle on the highway.

^ I would agree with that. But the average car on the road is not an autobahn tested modern marvel.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 1:38 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2007 1:36:16 PM