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skywalkr
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The rates for a heathy young male shouldn't be through the roof if all you are getting is a basic high deductible policy and even if it is expensive it should be a priority since you are putting you body at risk with what you do. It only takes one slip up to be in a world of financial hurt and it is extremely short sighted to not have some sort of coverage.

1/14/2014 1:37:08 PM

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"Crossfit is not for health"


Huh?

1/14/2014 2:31:07 PM

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"Crossfit is not for health. It's competitive fitness. When you compete, you voluntarily accept to sacrifice a modicum of health for performance."


I don't make that sacrifice, and nobody at ANY of the boxes Ive been to accept it either. In fact, that is why many people join a crossfit gym. There is always ample attention given to warming up/ stretching, and oversight for proper technique and form. No other gym provides this.

Obviously this doesn't fit the narrative you are trying to sell your clients, which is disingenuous and really not even necessary.

1/14/2014 3:19:53 PM

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^ I agree with this. Only a small percentage of the people at my gym are training to compete and they are in separate classes all on individual design workout plans. Most of us are just trying to achieve some good overall level of fitness. Yes we lift heavy, but not unsafely. Yes we sprint through some exercises, but only if we are maintaining form.

Not knocking on Matt because I am sure he does a good job with his clients, but to stereotype all Crossfit gyms and people who go to those gym as "not doing anything for their health" is disingenuous.

1/14/2014 5:37:42 PM

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If anything, competitive lifting, even recreational lifting taken seriously, is bad for health. Not the lifting per se, but the accompanying bulking and cutting phases that people go through. That's most definitely messing with your body chemistry and longevity. Bulking is not natural, and neither is cutting. Lifting, yes, lifting is natural.

(I am using natural in evolutionary terms, as in Paleolithic people... yes, they went through periods of more food and less food, but the bulking and cutting that "bro, do you even" kids do these days is insane, and far from natural, and I am not even mentioning here all the supplements they take, and then tell people they eat natural!! It *is* possible to lift and and eat maintenance calories, and no supplements. That is far healthier)

1/14/2014 6:22:19 PM

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You act like nobody lifts without bulking and cutting.

1/14/2014 6:39:39 PM

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"If anything, competitive lifting, even recreational lifting taken seriously, is bad for health. Not the lifting per se, but the accompanying bulking and cutting phases that people go through. That's most definitely messing with your body chemistry and longevity. Bulking is not natural, and neither is cutting. Lifting, yes, lifting is natural."


Really? Loading up metal plates onto a metal bar and lifting it is natural, but putting on weight during cold seasons and leaning out during warm seasons isn't?

1/14/2014 8:20:21 PM

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just got a trap bar at my gym. think i am going to try it out tomorrow. anyone prefer to deadlift using a trap bar over straight bar?

1/14/2014 10:28:19 PM

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I DL with a trap bar but it's mainly because I injured my lower back a while ago and the trap bar is more comfortable for me.

1/14/2014 10:31:34 PM

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I use it more now because I notice my obliques were thickening from the regular bar and I didn't want that. It also takes pressure off my back. Sometimes I'll even use dumbbells in place of traps if I'm lazy to load them with plates.

1/14/2014 10:31:58 PM

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I found the video. If you want to see it, I'll PM you. Not sure why I don't want to post it publicly. Well, I mean it's public, but don't want to post on here.

1/15/2014 1:47:21 PM

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"Really? Loading up metal plates onto a metal bar and lifting it is natural, but putting on weight during cold seasons and leaning out during warm seasons isn't?"


I think he's really referring to the mindset that supplements are drugs and there's nothing natural about eating 15 chicken breasts a day. Doing work is natural; consuming 200 grams of powdered protein may not be.

I'm not saying I fully agree, however it's something you have to consider when talking about "all natural" gains.

1/15/2014 2:43:40 PM

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Solid points.

http://physiodetective.com/2014/01/16/kevin-ogar-snatch-incident-a-freak-accident-not-crossfit-related/

1/16/2014 3:20:54 PM

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Ugh, that made my stomach turn. That is a pretty bizarre accident. I wonder how often it occurs in other competitions.

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"It looks like his first lift. it doesn’t look like he has done a a repetition before this lift."
- How could he know this from a 5 second clip?

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". Movements that i think are the problem are – heavy strict press, push press, push jerk, split jerk and snatch. They all load the thoracolumbar junction in extension."
- So, what can be done to prevent this type of injury?

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"He may have had a non-diagnosed benign tumor there for all we know."
Wouldn't they be able to determine this, and whether he had any other pre-existing condition, after the accident?

1/16/2014 4:12:34 PM

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It was his first lift but the issue I have is he was likely quite fatigued by the strenuous other workouts done prior. Was fatigue the issue? Form? Prexisiting injury? Who knows but it doesn't negate the fact that there was some pretty stupid programming going on and something like this was going to happen sooner than later.

1/16/2014 5:01:41 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh7A2yhXWq8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGWd3lHoZBU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY0pqlvjGFQ

I will never argue that some of the things in Crossfit don't put you at higher injury risk. But this was a fluke accident that could have (and has) happened in other arenas NOT due to bad programming. You want to have a conversation about why kipping is bad or why doing 100 snatches is bad? Sure. But this particular incident proves nothing except that accidents can happen anywhere

1/16/2014 5:16:28 PM

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If you watch the video, it's fairly obvious that the barbell has little to do with the injury. As he's trying to stand the weight up SOMETHING happens. His head looks down, his knees start to cave in, you can see his back sort of bow and then all of a sudden just before lockout, his body collapses to the ground.

1/16/2014 6:57:50 PM

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doing max effort Olympic lifts while you're fatigued is just asking for something bad to happen. it's not really fair to show joint injuries of Olympic lifters lifting at elite levels in the top competition in the world and use that to justify someone getting paralyzed lifting a weight that's not exactly significant.

1/18/2014 1:15:19 PM

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It's not a 1 to 1 comparison...once a bar with a lot of weight leaves your control anything can happen. And in that last video would you really argue that guy couldn't have ended up paralyzed?

1/18/2014 6:15:22 PM

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There is an internet rumor about a lawsuit now. I am just curious how OCT is negligent? And I also don't think the plates had anything to do with it either; something must have happened on the way up like Packman said.

I hope that when Kevin is ready, he will make an official statement so all these speculations and theories can be put to rest.

Here is a good article on SI. Not sensational and it's fair. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20140124/crossfit-kevin-ogar/

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"He has not moved below his trunk since the accident, which he does not remember."


Maybe we will never know...

I sort of find this hard to believe. Maybe he blacked out out after the initial impact, but you would think he has body awareness on the way up and remembered that, at least. But it happened so fast, I should give him the benefit of the doubt.

1/25/2014 1:21:53 PM

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Anyone have any experience with the Crossfits in Greensboro?

I am considering going to Crossfit Greensboro just since their website looks significantly better than the others and has many coaches that have some sort of degree or physiology and similar.

I have never been athletic and want somewhere that is legit and that focuses a lot on proper form because I tend to have a lower back problem from working at UPS.

1/25/2014 3:12:24 PM

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Check out 336 Crossfit. Not a member, but worked out with them for work. Good people.

1/26/2014 12:02:30 PM

acraw
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Annie T., Julie Foucher, Sam Briggs. Gonna be a good summer.

3/2/2014 12:59:34 AM

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^they coming to your box or something?

3/2/2014 2:14:21 AM

acraw
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NO, first two are coming back from sitting out '13. It'll be interesting to see who dominates in July.

3/2/2014 2:47:24 PM

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Are you participating in the open?

I'm not, but it's the first year I'm actively interested in the games

3/2/2014 3:05:31 PM

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Although I don't really CF anymore, I still follow the scene. I still do strength training a few times a week, but not HAM stuff anymore.

3/2/2014 8:03:20 PM

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The open is such a scam in how they try to get everyone to sign up so they can be part of "the biggest community event in crossfit". In other words, get a bunch of people who aren't good at crossfit to pay some money to HQ for pretty much nothing. If you regularly do competitions I get it because it is more of that and you can see where you stand in your region but most people shouldn't bother wasting their money, they can do the workouts on their own.

3/2/2014 10:06:51 PM

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^^why'd you stop?

^i agree

3/2/2014 10:44:37 PM

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daughter and I did 5 sets of squat thrusters in the backyard today. that's a 10-lb plate she's working with. I guess it wasn't enough, because she was running back and forth across the yard doing cartwheels between sets, haha. A 25-pounder is way too much, though.

we ran 1.5 miles together yesterday. she stopped and walked very briefly a few times during the last half-mile or so. She's in first grade, so fair enough.

3/2/2014 11:38:36 PM

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hahaha that's awesome


3/3/2014 1:35:36 AM

acraw
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^ switching it up. Routines are more traditional bodybuilding stuff. When I get bored, I'll do an AMRAP or "Girls' or "Hero" WOD.

3/3/2014 12:39:34 PM

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The difference between crossfit and regular circuit training:

- crossfit is $$$/ month more expensive
- crossfit is weighted poorly across exercises so you develop in the wrong places and get a lot slower (calves, arms, forearms etc) whereas regular circuit training is good all round core that won't compromise your performance.
- They do functional compound movements for speed & time! It is the silliest thing ever. They take the concept that deadlifts, cleans etc. are compound and great for strength (they are!) and choose to forget that they a technical power lifting movements. They either do them for speed or as part of a workout where they tire themselves out before doing them thus the super high rate of injuries.

The next fads are stand up paddling for fitness and some combination workouts like crossfit. These combo workouts will involve yoga, lifting, crossfit type activities, pilates, etc. Its all about being new and having fun today instead of measuring improvement over time. As soon as improvement slows down, people move to something else which is why there are so many people who've run a marathon or half today, but don't try to bring their times down. They only need to do 1.

3/12/2014 4:35:35 PM

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uhhh

3/12/2014 7:55:25 PM

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^ don't worry about it. Those are tired arguments. Recycled from blogs we've all prob seen before. Do you, brah. ^^

3/12/2014 8:00:25 PM

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Crossfit is a lifestyle breh

3/12/2014 8:13:58 PM

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V

[Edited on March 12, 2014 at 10:04 PM. Reason : 1]

3/12/2014 10:02:23 PM

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3/12/2014 10:03:39 PM

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Haha

(I think most would talk up the Crossfit first)

3/12/2014 10:42:22 PM

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i got it coach....


3/12/2014 11:27:09 PM

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3/14/2014 1:15:27 PM

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I wonder how many back snaps and Achilles ruptures this 14.3 will be the cause of.

It's like the goal of this workout is to reward anyone who's willing to risk catastrophic injury the most. It's workouts like these that make me

14.3 WOD:
MEN - includes Masters Men up to 54 years old
Complete as many reps as possible in 8 minutes of:
135-lb. deadlifts, 10 reps
15 box jumps, 24-inch
185-lb. deadlifts, 15 reps
15 box jumps, 24-inch
225-lb. deadlifts, 20 reps
15 box jumps, 24-inch
275-lb. deadlifts, 25 reps
15 box jumps, 24-inch
315-lb. deadlifts, 30 reps
15 box jumps, 24-inch
365-lb. deadlifts, 35 reps
15 box jumps, 24-inch

WOMEN - includes Masters Women up to 54 years old
Complete as many reps as possible in 8 minutes of:
95-lb. deadlifts, 10 reps
15 box jumps, 20-inch
135-lb. deadlifts, 15 reps
15 box jumps, 20-inch
155-lb. deadlifts, 20 reps
15 box jumps, 20-inch
185-lb. deadlifts, 25 reps
15 box jumps, 20-inch
205-lb. deadlifts, 30 reps
15 box jumps, 20-inch
225-lb. deadlifts, 35 reps
15 box jumps, 20-inch

[Edited on March 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM. Reason : ;]

3/14/2014 4:27:15 PM

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Yeah, my thoughts exactly when I saw that workout posted. I watched the demo and was cringing hard at some of the dead lifts I was seeing. Example a:



PT's and Ortho's must love these types of workouts, makes them pretty busy

3/14/2014 4:40:32 PM

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Yeah this one is fucking nuts. No way I'd even attempt it. When the trainers told me about it today, I just shook my head and said good luck. Rushing deadlifts is fucking stupid plus alot of people are going to miss on the box from fatigue and bust open their faces or shins.

3/14/2014 9:58:08 PM

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You can do step-up/downs which in practice is actually time-saving

3/15/2014 12:19:11 AM

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Use some common sense for a WOD like this. Yes, it looks reckless and irresponsible on paper. Scale and modify the WOD if you're just doing the Open for fun and camaraderie. I don't believe that most people who sign up for the Open think they're going to the Regionals and onto the Games. If you're not realistic about your chances, and you want to be stupid, then that's on you.

In Stacie Tovar's defense, it doesn't even look that bad, no worse than the rounded backs you may seen in a powerlifting meet or what not. I agree that when you factor in fatigue from box jumps that is going to toast the posterior chain, we're discussing a different animal. In my opinion, Tovar's vertebrae has some protection from her well developed erector muscles that run along her thoracic and lumbar segments of the spine.

3/16/2014 12:08:09 AM

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A rounded back for one max effort lift from a person that trains specifically to compete at the deadlift is a lot different from a casual lifter doing multiple deadlifts to failure with a rounded back. It's completely irresponsible for crossfit to claim that it's the responsibility of the lifter to know what they're capable of handling without injury while providing them with such a senseless program.

3/16/2014 10:57:11 AM

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is this for real?

3/26/2014 12:42:21 AM

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3/26/2014 6:20:42 AM

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So that hot Canadian/French chick finally won the Crossfit games. Didn't think she was ever going to get over the hump and beat that Ginger/Nordic Amazon woman.

8/3/2014 5:52:43 PM

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