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theDuke866
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It depends on what you need on that PA-12, too. The PA-12 uses a relatively inexpensive engine. (high-teens for an overhaul). If it's going to need fabric and paint, and an engine, and whatever else repaired, I'm sure you'll be in it for $50k, and maybe more.

3/10/2020 8:23:15 PM

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Yes it needs new fabric, new paint, a complete engine overhaul, etc. We actually have two engines as my grandfather pulled one from another PA-12 that wrecked years ago and has been sitting in his attic for probably 35 years.

3/10/2020 9:49:12 PM

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TBMs are still $2 million in case anyone is wondering or worried about the effect on the market: https://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/list/manufacturer/socata/model/tbm-850

4/22/2020 1:24:54 AM

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serious question. what's the pull for a $2M prop plane when business class jets are in the same ballpark?

4/22/2020 7:58:59 AM

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Way less expensive to operate, almost as fast as a jet, doesn't require a type rating. More flexible in and out of smaller airports.

Most of the light jets won't get you to Hawaii or non stop to Europe anyway, so the only reason to get one is to say you have a jet and burn four times the fuel.

It is hilarious how normal people see a $4 million new TBM or Pilatus and basically think it's the same as a $50K Cessna 172.

They shortened our runway here in Santa Monica to 3500 feet so now we have more Pilatus traffic and only one jet it seems like. The jet has to be near empty on fuel to go in and out. Gulfstream allegedly changed their runway minimums to allow for 3500 feet, but you'd have to make an immediate fuel stop leaving.



[Edited on April 22, 2020 at 9:00 AM. Reason : A]

4/22/2020 8:53:35 AM

wdprice3
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Thanks. I know they're quite different, just seemed that dropping $2M would sway to jets over props. Didn't realize the difference in magnitude of operating costs, nor the weight / runway lengths.

4/22/2020 10:28:08 AM

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yeah, jets are a little faster, and have advantages in terms of being smoother/quieter and flying higher (allow you to get above more weather).

...but they are more picky on runways, and the biggest thing is the fuel consumption. Jets are very thirsty relative to turboprops. As an aside, I fully intend to own an L-39 or something similar one day (or at least a share of one)...but really, buying it isn't the problem--that's not what makes them unattainable at the moment. It's the $1000/hour or more in fuel costs.


A similar dynamic exists in the piston multi market. You can get a helluva twin for the same price or usually cheaper than a much less capable single...because the fuel and maintenance costs are so much higher.

[Edited on April 22, 2020 at 1:09 PM. Reason : also, $2M doesn't buy much jet nowadays. not in the biz jet market, anyway.]

[Edited on April 22, 2020 at 1:11 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2020 1:08:55 PM

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Haven't posted here in years but why not jump back in.

We had a PC-12NG when I lived in Switzerland and used it all over Europe. I would take it any day over a TBM due to the size. Those things hold their value like no other.

Crazy whats happening in the market right now. Some ultra long range planes like the G650/ER are being dumped now for a multitude of reasons. There are still buyers but they are sharks right now.

4/27/2020 9:52:37 PM

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Top Gun 2 Behind-the-scenes trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHt1IbuYgJo

5/1/2020 11:01:38 PM

theDuke866
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i can't wait for it to come out.

but a part of me just screams to strap into a jet again every time i see those trailers.

5/1/2020 11:23:16 PM

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Yeah that looks fucking awesome

5/1/2020 11:45:00 PM

Nighthawk
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theDuke866 did you ever cross-train in the Growler or were you exclusively on the Prowler? Curious if you ever got to see the differences first hand between the two platforms.

[Edited on May 3, 2020 at 11:29 AM. Reason : ]

5/3/2020 11:29:19 AM

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Being a Marine, I never had any EA-18G time. Those are Navy-only. They took delivery of the first -G back when I was in the EA-6B training squadron out in Whidbey Island, back around 07-08.

I know guys who did the transition to it, and it has the same EW systems as the later-block Prowlers that we got during my last few months in a fleet squadron, so I know a little about it, but no...never flew in one or had any formal training on them.

It basically has the same EW capabilities of an ICAP-3 Prowler, but in a more capable airframe. ICAP-3 also had Link-16. Exact same jamming pods, at least for now (Next Gen Jammer is on the way). Along with the more capable airframe, it has a vastly more capable radar, carries AMRAAM, and is capable of carrying more varying ordnance (although I don't know how much they carry besides HARM and AMRAAM in practice). All we every carried was HARM.

[Edited on May 3, 2020 at 11:16 PM. Reason : ]

5/3/2020 11:13:05 PM

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Quote :
"but in a more capable airframe"


Hey, don't be mean to our Skypig

5/4/2020 5:15:48 AM

Nighthawk
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^^Obviously I didn't follow it that closely, so with the Prowler retired completely now and as far as I'm aware there is no F-35G, what is the Marine Corps using for electronic warfare? Just the regular F-35 with internal/external pods, nothing and letting the Navy handle that with the Growler, etc?

5/4/2020 8:10:24 AM

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F35 should have some limited capability, pod assets (like Intrepid Tiger II) on various aircraft/drones, other jammers (CREW systems, etc) on ground vehicles (or conceivably even man-portable, backpack-sized. Those have existed for at least 10 years). F-35 will need less EW support than Hornets/Harriers, too.

and some of it is just taking a page from the USAF playbook (when they decided to put all their eggs in the stealth basket and retire the EF-111), and relying on the Navy when EW is needed.

5/5/2020 10:21:34 PM

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Did you crash that f22 in Florida?

5/16/2020 2:57:58 PM

utowncha
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youre just on a roll with shit comments arent you? maybe take a week off.

5/17/2020 1:23:43 PM

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Not entirely on topic but here is proof the F35 buzzed Jacksonville Beach Fl at the air show last year and did not crash. Did a crazy slow high powered walk too, and left some vapor cones over the Atlantic. She stole the show from the Blue Angels and made my sister and me seriously giddy. Go USAF!

https://mobile.twitter.com/sleavens1/status/1193727884713693186

All photos are mine.

5/17/2020 7:30:15 PM

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Sounds like spatial disorientation got Kobe.

Quote :
"Zobayan told radar controllers he was going to "start our climb to go above the ... layers."
When asked his intentions, the pilot responded, "climbing to four thousand," but the helicopter was descending 17 seconds before the end of data, the report states.

Controllers again "asked for his intentions, but the pilot never responded."

"Calculated apparent angles at this time show that the pilot could have misperceived both pitch and roll angles," the documents say."


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/us/kobe-bryant-flight-ntsb-text-messages-weather-pilot/index.html

6/18/2020 1:52:42 PM

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"Wife and I were visiting our plane Sunday and on the way we were driving along the 101 and thought, "huh weather is fucking awful, if we would have been able to fly we wouldn't have."

Was super hazy, even in Van Nuys with under 3 viz."


No shit.

6/19/2020 10:27:26 PM

theDuke866
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2x fatal crash of a Piper Lance a week or two ago down in Alabama. I knew the owner fairly well, and had met his passenger.

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Just waiting on magnetos to come back from being overhauled now, then we can hopefully start making progress on getting the RV-4 back in the air.

6/20/2020 4:25:45 PM

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