translation: the ACC doesn't give a fuck that it hires some of the worst and most biased officials, because we gotta protect UNC and Duke, baby!

2/19/2012 5:14:17 PM

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"NC State athletic director Debbie Yow announced Sunday that the 1989 men's basketball team will be awarded the inaugural "Wolfpack Unlimited" award prior to Tuesday's meeting with rival North Carolina. The award will recognize individuals and teams that refuse to accept the status quo and exhibit the "never give up" spirit of the Wolfpack, the school said in a release. Sunday's announcement comes less than 24 hours after Chris Corchiani and Tom Gugliotta, both members of the 1989 team, were ejected from NC State's 76-62 loss to Florida State by referee Karl Hess Saturday."

Debbie Yow gets NC State fans. That's the only explanation I can think of.

(reposted quote from last page)

2/19/2012 5:47:02 PM

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"one of my favorite Herb moments ever was hearing him squeal "C'MON KARL!!!" after a bad call"

I remember that, I yelled it at him at least once a game after that

2/19/2012 6:41:07 PM

me too

I've gotten a few glares from him over the last 7 years

shockingly, he's never had me removed

2/19/2012 6:43:00 PM

at a Bobcats Heat game a few years back after Wade got away with 3 or 4 obvious steps, I yelled at the ref "has he ever travelled?!" and the ref turned to me like

2/19/2012 6:46:07 PM

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"Yow told ESPN.com that what occurred this weekend was embarrassing. Yow said she doesn't believe Hess knew what was said by Corchiani and Gugliotta. She is convinced that he was angry over the student not being ejected and says she has a report from the RBC Center, as well as from game security, that will back up the claim that Gugliotta and Corchiani did nothing more than question calls. Yow wants to have a face-to-face meeting with ACC coordinator of officials John Clougherty in the conference office in Greensboro. Yow wants an answer and is hoping she can get one in person."

Get after 'em, Debbie.

From: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/7594249/nc-state-wolfpack-not-happy-ejections-tom-gugliotta-chris-corchiani-college-basketball

2/20/2012 11:52:37 AM

next time Hess comes to the ESA RBC Center PNCA, we should get every student to yell "KARL YOU SUCK" over and over again. He can't toss out the whole arena, can he?

2/20/2012 11:59:35 AM

That'll show him

2/20/2012 12:01:06 PM

^^^ wtf? Did you edit this piece out or did they update it?

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"Yow told ESPN.com that what occurred this weekend was embarrassing. Yow said she doesn't believe Hess knew what was said by Corchiani and Gugliotta. She is convinced that he was angry over the student not being ejected and says she has a report from the RBC Center, as well as from game security, that will back up the claim that Gugliotta and Corchiani did nothing more than question calls. NC State officials are convinced that Hess wouldn't have thrown out a famous North Carolina or Duke alum. Of course we will never know that to be true and that only plays into the inferiority complex that the Pack often get painted with in the Triangle, inside the shadow of its two rivals. Nevertheless, Yow wants to have a face-to-face meeting with ACC coordinator of officials John Clougherty in the conference office in Greensboro. Yow wants an answer and is hoping she can get one in person."

2/20/2012 12:17:31 PM

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"next time Hess comes to the ESA RBC Center PNCA, we should get every student to yell "KARL YOU SUCK" over and over again. He can't toss out the whole arena, can he?"

Maybe we should all throw flags at him

2/20/2012 12:32:27 PM

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"Maybe we should all throw flags at him"

LOfuckingL

2/20/2012 12:38:34 PM

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"Did you edit this piece out or did they update it?"

that was definitely not in the original article, weird addition

2/20/2012 12:39:56 PM

We should mass produce signs with a picture of Hess blowing a whistle with the text "KARL HESS BLOWS" (or maybe just "KARL BLOWS").

2/20/2012 12:41:57 PM

great idea, keep them coming.

2/20/2012 12:59:54 PM

A Karl can't change his stripes, KARL

2/20/2012 1:02:08 PM

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"wtf? Did you edit this piece out or did they update it?"

That part was in there when I read the article, but I took it out b/c I didn't like it and didn't want to perpetuate it.

2/20/2012 1:04:21 PM

Maybe a picture of Carl's brain? (i know it's spelled differently)

2/20/2012 1:12:18 PM

someone make a giant Karl or Debbie posterboard head

2/20/2012 1:14:26 PM

Thanks, Dr. Yow.

3/11/2012 6:55:47 PM

Still credible

3/11/2012 6:55:52 PM

still credible

3/11/2012 6:56:48 PM

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncsu/video/10843449/#/vid10843449

Gottfried says that to get the harder schedule they had to buy out of contracts and enter into others, and overall spending money to get harder games.

Yow was nervous but very supportive overall.

+Plus gotdamn credibility

3/11/2012 9:55:41 PM

+11

3/11/2012 10:46:09 PM

Football bowl W, Basketball back in the tourny, and Baseball off to a hot start (Knockonwood). God Bless you Debbie Yow

3/12/2012 10:48:41 AM

+ Eleventy Billion

3/12/2012 11:10:36 AM

^4 The committee clearly valued SOS this year. While it sucks not being able to pile up wins like UVA did with their joke OOC schedule, it paid off for State with a better than expected seed and favorable 1st round matchup.

+100 Mad Credz!

3/12/2012 11:56:48 AM

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"I am writing this response today to a group of special Wolfpackers who are passionate about the 'Pack and who have contacted me. Many of you have voiced a feeling of distrust for the fairness and impartiality of officiating as related to State basketball. I wanted to share with you a few updates of our communications with the ACC office, since that is the single most often voiced question. 1. The Commissioner and I most recently met at the ACC Tournament in Atlanta. Before the Tournament, we talked by phone. 2. Regarding the ejection of two former players at the RBC and the initials of that official being on the shoes of officials throughout the opening game of the ACC Tournament, the Commissioner has heard clearly my concerns regarding these matters. As you know, the official was reprimanded and the Commissioner indicated that neither he nor the ACC director of officials was aware that having the initials on the shoes was going to happen. 3. We have begun addressing the widely held view of officiating inconsistencies in the UNC game and will work with Coach Gottfried on that, once we get to a place where we have the ability to focus on it. Right now, we are preparing the film of missed calls/no calls to send to the Director of Officiating at the ACC for his review and feedback. 4. Coach Gottfried has no recollection of being cursed at by an official during the heat of the tournament game. I understand that two media sources tweeted that this occurred and I know the quote they attributed to the official. We will follow up with each media person to seek further details and then share all of that information with the ACC. 5. I have also addressed other issues with the conference such as the bb gun statement made by an opposing coach and the quote regarding how ACC officials "study team tendencies", something that was disconcerting to a number of fans and to us. I know you care deeply about your Wolfpack and want you to know that we are expressing our concerns. That is why I wanted to take time to share more detail with you today. I am so pleased that through adversity we have played our way back into the NCAA Tournament where we belong. I am also proud of our dedicated fan base that is made up of terrific Wolfpackers like you. Debbie"

+1000000000 for Debbie understanding Packnation.

-1000000000 for fans bitching about BB gun comment. Cmon...i thought it was funny.

3/12/2012 12:19:38 PM

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"+1000000000 for Debbie understanding Packnation. following through and taking the time to email fans. And not just blowing smoke and being a figurehead. -1000000000 for fans bitching about BB gun comment."

3/12/2012 12:21:38 PM

that's awesome.

and i agree, the bb gun statement is something to talk shit to unc fans about, but it's not a huge deal. it just shows how loopy roy is.

3/12/2012 12:23:09 PM

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"5. I have also addressed other issues with the conference such as the bb gun statement made by an opposing coach and the quote regarding how ACC officials "study team tendencies", something that was disconcerting to a number of fans and to us."

can someone fill me in on both of these?

3/12/2012 12:24:55 PM

i don't know about the "team tendencies", but the bb gun incident refers to a rant Roy went on about UNC fans selling tickets to other team's fans, and those fans being close to the coaches wives and saying "negative things". and how he has no use for the unc fans. and he remembers watcing an ncsu/unc game many years ago, and there were lots of red shirts in the crowd, and he would have liked to shoot them all in the ass.

http://espn.go.com/blog/north-carolina-basketball/post/_/id/1413/dont-give-roy-williams-a-bb-gun

3/12/2012 12:30:36 PM

bb gun = Roy made some statement about having State fans in the stands at unc games and he would shoot them and give them red backsides or something? A little strange, but nothing seriously harmful

tendencies = A current/past (?) referee said they study tapes and find that certain teams/players have a tendency to not commit fouls, so that's why it seems the officiating is biased. Terrible explanation. either you foul or you don't on any given play

3/12/2012 12:30:38 PM

^^^roy said he'd like to shoot opposing fans with a BB gun and an ACC official said they study tape to determine how players play to be "prepared" for them.

[Edited on March 12, 2012 at 12:31 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2012 12:31:06 PM

+100000000 for a candid response

3/12/2012 12:31:54 PM

I liked the bb gun comment adds fuel to the rivalry

3/12/2012 12:32:16 PM

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"tendencies = A current/past (?) referee said they study tapes and find that certain teams/players have a tendency to not commit fouls, so that's why it seems the officiating is biased. Terrible explanation. either you foul or you don't on any given play"

that is absolutely unbelievable, not only if that's actually what happens, but that it's taking an AD of an ACC school to bring it up with the conference. what a joke the ACC is with referees who actively pursue the removal of objectivity from a game before tip off. makes me sick. it blows my mind that someone would give that as a response to claims of being biased and completely fail to see how it just proves that you're biased.

[Edited on March 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2012 12:40:50 PM

^yep. if you already have pre-conceived notions, then won't that affect your decisions? Kind of like a trial... as a juror, you're not supposed to have a lot of knowledge about the case until it begins and when it does, you only consider the information heard in court. now why is officiating different? the refs are supposed to be impartial decision makers, based on what is presented to them on the court.

3/12/2012 12:43:06 PM

can someone do some internet sleuthing and find out who it was who said that?

3/12/2012 12:45:39 PM

I heard about it on 99.9...

3/12/2012 12:46:50 PM

people need to see the bb gun quip for what it was.. a joke. the indignation over that is frankly embarrassing.

3/12/2012 12:48:44 PM

^^^ John Clougherty, ACC Supervisor of Officials

http://espn.go.com/blog/north-carolina-basketball/post/_/id/4912/lack-of-fouls-key-for-unc

[Edited on March 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2012 12:52:20 PM

He was probably just watching some Happy Gilmore before the game and thought he was 'Shooter'.

3/12/2012 12:52:20 PM

Refs so Stoopid!

This News makes Richard Howell angry, and you wouldn't like Richard Howell when he's angry.

3/12/2012 12:54:09 PM

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"^^^ John Clougherty, ACC Supervisor of Officials"

the guy who evaluates officials went on the record with that quote. i almost want to write the ACC an angry letter about how he's making a mockery of the conference by telling the world its referees go into games with an agenda, but i doubt it'd do anything but fall on deaf ears.

3/12/2012 12:59:00 PM

^ yeah

it's great that Debbie Yow is going to the ACC head of officials with all these complaints, but I doubt he'll do anything with it. She needs to take it up with swofford. but he probably wouldn't do anything either

3/12/2012 1:02:06 PM

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"Clougherty also said that his officials study teams’ and players’ tendencies, so they know what to look for when it comes to fouls. And that they don’t favor anybody. "

here's the quote, and it's not a big deal. The article basically says Carolina is coached not to foul, ever, and other teams don't mind if players do foul. I don't see the big deal with Clougherty's comment.

3/12/2012 1:13:41 PM

^you don't? i certainly do. you don't need to study a team and their tendencies to call fouls. it's either a foul or it isn't. scouting teams and their tendencies to commit fouls is blatantly un-impartial.

[Edited on March 12, 2012 at 1:18 PM. Reason : ]

3/12/2012 1:16:55 PM

Right, if you look for tendencies and come to the conclusion that "UNC is trained to never foul, ever" then you immediately walk into the game with a bias. If you see a close call (one that may or may not be a foul or could go either way) then a ref is likely to think, "That's not a foul, UNC is trained never to foul, ever."

While on the other hand, if you see a player committing a similar type of foul fairly consistently and you see them do it in a way that might not be a foul, you're likely to blow your whistle because "he usually fouls when he does that." And once the whistle is blown, you have to stand behind it.

3/12/2012 1:30:55 PM

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"Right, if you look for tendencies and come to the conclusion that "UNC is trained to never foul, ever" then you immediately walk into the game with a bias. If you see a close call (one that may or may not be a foul or could go either way) then a ref is likely to think, "That's not a foul, UNC is trained never to foul, ever." While on the other hand, if you see a player committing a similar type of foul fairly consistently and you see them do it in a way that might not be a foul, you're likely to blow your whistle because "he usually fouls when he does that." And once the whistle is blown, you have to stand behind it. "

case in point: the leslie "charge"/marshall no-call

3/12/2012 1:34:26 PM

Sad that people complained to Debbie about the BB gun thing...kudos to Debbie for being an amazing fan advocate.

3/12/2012 1:39:58 PM