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packboozie
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Serious thread. And not just because we lost 2/3 to Elon. This has been coming. We've been underachieving since Aaron Bates left.

Support is dropping yearly it seems as he loses his players. I've heard too much the players don't approve of him and many leave ALA Matt Mangini.

Last year's Regionals was absolutely terrible after the good ACCT run.

2/20/2011 10:04:01 PM

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serious question...how much of college baseball success is attributed to the head coach, versus the position coaches? ie if Brackman struggles pitching how much is the head coach versus the pitching coaches

[Edited on February 20, 2011 at 10:06 PM. Reason : i'm well aware Brackman is long gone]

2/20/2011 10:05:52 PM

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Your trolling can go elsewhere please. He recruits the players just like basketball so at the end of the day he answers the bell.

[Edited on February 20, 2011 at 10:10 PM. Reason : Tom Holliday is supposed to be the best pitching coach in the nation so there goes that I guess]

2/20/2011 10:06:43 PM

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I'm not trolling, I thought I established that by prefacing it with 'serious question'

I don't follow college baseball as closely as college football or basketball, or major league baseball

if you're going to create a "Serious thread." you should be willing to answer serious questions from people who aren't as familiar with the sports as yourself

2/20/2011 10:12:42 PM

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we didn't have aaron bates the year we almost made it to the college world series

2/20/2011 10:16:02 PM

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"And not just because we lost 2/3 to Elon."


Did this really happen? Jesus Christ.

2/20/2011 10:17:05 PM

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Well considering we only have 4 coaches total, I would say Avent is to blame for a good bit of it. This isn't football where each section of the team has a coach. It's been a combination of things here, not just the pitching, or the defense, or the offense. It seems its something different all the time.

^^Good call. When we lost to Georgia in the Super Regionals. Still has been on the decline since then.

[Edited on February 20, 2011 at 10:19 PM. Reason : ^Yeah Elon is not terrible but still pathetic on our part]

2/20/2011 10:18:56 PM

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ping!

2/20/2011 10:20:05 PM

packboozie
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Do most of ya'll not care about baseball?

5-5 start with bad losses to Elon (2) and Penn State (2) already and a decent Cal team.

Another 7-8th ACC finish isn't going to look good to DY.

3/6/2011 9:24:29 AM

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Dude there is something seriously wrong with you. You really might need to see a shrink. This much negativity isn't good for you.

3/6/2011 9:30:51 AM

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Considering our sports at NCSU rule the shitter. Sorry you can't open your eyes and see that DY is going to try and fix this. We have a few good coaches already in place and starting to build (TOB, Kellie, Findley). Things are going to move upward. Thanks for the off-topic post though.

3/6/2011 9:37:28 AM

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Don't we usually start off kinda slow but then pick it up as the season goes on?

I do think we've seen Avent's ceiling though.

3/6/2011 2:24:18 PM

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"Do most of ya'll not care about baseball?"


I know I sure as hell don't.

3/6/2011 2:30:02 PM

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we might be mediocre in baseball but we have owned UNC the past few years from what I remember





and really that's all that matters to me

3/6/2011 2:36:12 PM

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I can see the baseball video screen from my bathroom

that's all I got

3/6/2011 2:36:35 PM

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Avent needs to be let go some time in the near future but if we lay down the big bucks for a new basketball coach he might stick around for another year or two

3/6/2011 2:43:41 PM

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^^^If "owning" means we beat them 1 out of every 3 games at best, then yes, we own them.

3/6/2011 3:01:00 PM

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I think Avent really does love State but I think he's baseball's version of Sendek. No ACC championships, came close a few times and getting to a couple super regionals but not getting to the next level. Also have heard a lot about how he comes off as a dick personality wise to recruits some times. He and Sidney are the main 2 coaches I'd like to see replaced. Really want to see what Yow does.

3/6/2011 3:11:39 PM

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Lost 2/3 to fucking Duke. I don't care that they might be improved and have beat shitty teams this year. They are still Duke baseball. Avent's on the way out too with this shit.

3/13/2011 10:36:55 PM

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Baseball cant really be fixed by a head coach, one day we win 17-4 the next we lose 12-2...its just player performance. No play calls like basketball / football. The pitching coach should be blamed if anything

3/13/2011 10:46:09 PM

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What the hell are you talking about? He does in fact recruit these players and pitchers ya know? Recruiting is half the job if not more.

[Edited on March 13, 2011 at 10:59 PM. Reason : so baseball coaches should never get fired?]

3/13/2011 10:59:34 PM

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Yow might be the busiest Athletics Director in the country this year

3/14/2011 1:08:57 AM

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"Do most of ya'll not care about baseball?"


Not really. But Avent does suck. He's run his course like Tarantini (although not quite as bad). Time to get to work on him as well, Yow.

3/14/2011 7:32:15 AM

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"Baseball cant really be fixed by a head coach"


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"No play calls like basketball / football. "


durp

3/14/2011 7:33:07 AM

packboozie
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Swept by Georgia Tech in Atlanta. Lost 9-2, 12-0, 11-4. Grand total of 32-6. Jesus Christ.

He's on his way out.....

3/20/2011 7:10:19 PM

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"Do most of ya'll not care about baseball?"

Metal bats, cheating.

3/20/2011 11:11:38 PM

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I love Chance and jbrick83 .

If you don't care about it then gtfo.

And CEmann you're a fucking idiot.

3/21/2011 10:44:47 AM

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um, dude asked a yes or no question, oh noes someone said no.

don't be a fucking dickfor.

3/21/2011 1:14:41 PM

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Whats a dickfor...

3/21/2011 1:38:15 PM

sarijoul
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for pooping, silly!

3/22/2011 8:37:42 AM

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"Yow might be the busiest Athletics Director in the country this year"


Yow has said that she would be reevaluating all sports after the first year, so its very likely we will see changes in many of the sucking non-revenue sports.

3/22/2011 8:56:25 AM

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If you don't care about it then gtfo.

And CEmann you're a fucking idiot."


Get the sand out of your vag. I don't care about baseball, but I care about NC State sports in general. And Avent is a horrible coach and should be fired.

It might not happen this year, but he'll more than likely be gone soon unless he pulls something out of his ass.

3/22/2011 9:47:53 AM

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Credibility and NCAA chances dropping....

5/13/2011 11:41:56 PM

modlin
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up two spots in the RPI after this weekend.

5/16/2011 9:09:55 AM

themayor
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The NCAA had us ranked 33rd before the weekend...so surly we can get into the tourney Right?

5/16/2011 10:21:32 AM

packboozie
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Look getting in the NCAAT for an ACC baseball school is fairly easy. 8 made it last year IIRC. That is not a major accomplishment. Avent has been here since 1997 and has a 194-198 ACC record. Sure he's made 2 super regionals, but that's it. This is his 15th season and has not won the conference yet. He's definitely reached his ceiling. Added to that is the fact that we have lost a bunch of good players to transfer because they couldn't get along with him. This is going to be our third straight season without a winning ACC record and showing no indication of improvement or being on the rise. I think he's run his course, done a decent to good job, and it's time to move on.

5/16/2011 10:48:07 AM

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"I think he's run his course, done a decent to good job, and it's time to move on."


Definitely agree.

5/16/2011 10:56:16 AM

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In the words of Yow - "Refuse to accept the status quo". I personally think he'll "retire" because Yow is going force him out.

5/16/2011 11:55:43 AM

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Ya know, Ive always like Avent, but you guys make a good point. I got really fired up the other day hearing Yow talk about State and where we should be.


GO PACK

5/16/2011 12:11:00 PM

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Avent is mediocre at best. He brought in Holliday a few years back and I thought maybe the team would turn a corner, but alas just more disappointing seasons. Barring a deep tourney run, at least Super Regionals, he'd better be canned.



[Edited on May 16, 2011 at 1:45 PM. Reason : cv]

5/16/2011 1:44:30 PM

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What a choke job. He's gone barring a NCAA run. Hell last year we lost to the 4 seed and was 0-2.

5/28/2011 5:23:17 PM

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How can the 7 seed choke?

5/28/2011 5:55:27 PM

packboozie
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We had both games won? Come on Ernie don't play that game. I expect that from TreeTwista.

5/28/2011 7:39:12 PM

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i just want you to know I'm on the Sunshine Avent Bandwagon

5/28/2011 7:47:51 PM

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I don't know if we can afford to buyout Avent with us paying Folwer and Lowe. Avent is one of our lower paid coaches. I think our new bball assistants make more.

5/28/2011 7:49:08 PM

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Quote :
"US

PAYING

FOLWER"

5/28/2011 9:56:12 PM

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I'm using his twitter name from now on.

5/28/2011 10:08:57 PM

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I like Avent, and I feel like he's someone who really loves being at State, but there's been reports of players transferring or not coming to State because he can be a really hard guy to get along with, we never capitalized on the '03 and '08 Super Regional runs and haven't won an ACC Championship since '92.

A lot of teams we were on even footing with when he was hired have passed us now. If we didn't have Lowe and Fowler to still pay then I'd be all for looking for someone who can pull in NC's top talent that hasn't been regularly considering NCSU.

[Edited on May 29, 2011 at 12:06 PM. Reason : tbdv]

5/29/2011 12:06:31 PM

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15 years and THIS is all we get?

FIRE THIS MAN

6/3/2011 5:36:17 PM

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"15 years and THIS is all we get?

FIRE THIS MAN"


weren't we up 5-0 at some point in the game?

thats just pathetic.

6/3/2011 9:23:03 PM

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