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daaave
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who's ready to start knocking on those doors for midterms?? blue team!

10/28/2021 10:22:29 AM

Pupils DiL8t
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If voters had elected more Democratic candidates in 2020, the Democratic agenda would likely not be as hung up at this time.

10/28/2021 11:01:01 AM

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Democrats had a supermajority under Obama and did nothing. And there wasn’t even the chance for a supermajority last time (where, again, they would have proven that they are the party of doing nothing.) Manchin and Sinema aren’t the only conservative Democrats out there. They just don’t need anymore opposition at this time.

10/28/2021 11:13:42 AM

Pupils DiL8t
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So the solution is to elect less Democrats and more Republicans?

10/28/2021 11:55:02 AM

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There is no great solution in our current political system for individuals without major corporate/media cooperation, other than to advocate in primaries for candidates that appear to be open to actually changing the system. Unfortunately that isn't even fool proof as Sinema appeared pretty far left (for the US anyway) early in her political career but has steadily moved right


Our political choices at a national level right now are "almost nothing/status quo" or "fascism". Fun times

[Edited on October 28, 2021 at 12:33 PM. Reason : E]

10/28/2021 12:32:04 PM

daaave
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^^
Not at all, but more people need to be willing to admit that the Democratic party isn't our friend and any time they've done anything substantial, it's been because of an existential threat to capitalism (20s-30s) or massive social unrest (50s-60s). It's not about electing more of them - they need to be scared into action. And that reflects very poorly on our political system.

[Edited on October 28, 2021 at 12:38 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2021 12:35:57 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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I agree; take, for example, Joe Manchin fighting for all of his billionaire constituents in West Virginia.

On the other hand, a lot of the items in the current Democratic agenda would have been non-starters within the Democratic Party a decade ago.

10/28/2021 1:09:26 PM

rwoody
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I think they've been running on prescription drug prices for decades

10/28/2021 8:05:52 PM

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what the shit

10/28/2021 8:22:03 PM

rwoody
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Do these gross assholes count as Dems now?
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"“The Lincoln Project” has admitted sending a group of demonstrators dressed as "Unite the Right" rally-goers with tiki torches to a campaign rally by Republican candidate for Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin in Charlottesville. Reuters Photo by Jonathan Ernst ?@j_ernst_DC? https://t.co/fkCXeHTwAo"

10/29/2021 9:44:57 PM

theDuke866
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Why are they gross assholes?

10/30/2021 3:14:28 AM

The Coz
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Yeah, wouldn't the OG Unite-The-Right folks be the real a-holes?

10/30/2021 7:30:10 AM

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According to the results from the last question of this poll, 41% of independents think that the Democratic party is a bigger threat to democracy, versus 37% of independents thinking that the Republican party is a bigger threat to democracy.

https://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_B_202110251104.pdf

11/1/2021 1:53:05 PM

The Coz
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WTF?!

11/1/2021 2:24:16 PM

rwoody
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The 2022 election choices kinda match up. Dem leaners to one side, rep+'other' leaners to the other

11/1/2021 2:44:26 PM

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Getting tired of Joe Manchin's BS.

11/1/2021 4:42:41 PM

StTexan
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I wish Sinema had an onlyfans account

11/1/2021 11:31:59 PM

rwoody
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About to lose another state house?

11/2/2021 8:23:19 PM

thegoodlife3
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DEMS IN DISARRAY

11/3/2021 12:53:03 AM

rwoody
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I mean maybe it's no big deal to some but yet another state with republican leadership ahead of redistricting seems bad

11/3/2021 8:53:50 AM

daaave
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^^
the writing is absolutely on the wall and pretending otherwise is not doing anyone any good

11/3/2021 11:13:41 AM

utowncha
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I don't think disarray is an appropriate description.

11/3/2021 11:29:39 AM

utowncha
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New Jersey governor just went R by about 200 votes. This too is not a big deal.

[Edited on November 3, 2021 at 1:00 PM. Reason : nevermind, dem up 11,000 now]

11/3/2021 12:52:10 PM

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Not a big deal, just two more states that will likely be heavily republican gerrymandered for the next 10 years.

[Edited on November 3, 2021 at 1:54 PM. Reason : Not to mention threats to election security, right to choose, etc]



I missed your edit, fingers crossed for jersey I guess

[Edited on November 3, 2021 at 1:56 PM. Reason : E]

11/3/2021 1:48:00 PM

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http://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1455953417319354375

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" 11 out of the last 12 times (i.e. post-Nixon) when there’s been a VA Gov election, the candidate of the president’s party has lost—usually by bigger margins than we saw last night. The president’s party also usually loses the midterms the following year."


http://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1455954024319041540

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" This is obviously a big unpleasant experience for the president’s party every time, and that can’t be talked away, but the tidal regularity of the phenomenon undermines punditry that this or that issue of the moment is what made it happen this time."


pass things that improve peoples lives between now and the mid-terms. simple as that.

[Edited on November 3, 2021 at 2:11 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2021 2:09:01 PM

rwoody
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That's a great plan but too late for virginia. (also not suuuper optimistic about that plan succeeding with manchin and Sinema in place and Biden unwilling to use exec power)

It's bad that Dems lost the governors house. Im not being UJW and implying this is the downfall of the national party, but its objectively bad and will have some long lasting consequences.

11/3/2021 2:21:36 PM

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"It's bad that Dems lost the governors house. Im not being UJW and implying this is the downfall of the national party, but its objectively bad and will have some long lasting consequences."


Huh? I definitely think it's a bad sign that VA now has a GOP governor and that it's even close in NJ, and I definitely feel like suburban white women who voted against Trump showed up to vote against the incumbent, and it definitely seems like this a clear signal that most people aren't happy with Biden and the fact that he's accomplished so little, other than the vaccine rollout. From the exit polls, young folks seemed to sit this one out, and I can see why given how uninspiring of a candidate McAuliffe was.

Also worth noting, many progressive candidates/polices got trounced, so the whole "it's all the centrists Dems fault!" narrative seems kinda weak and doesn't help unite the party around a common cause, but what do I know?

Anyway, none of this is all that surprising-- at least not to me-- but it's definitely disappointing and cause for deep concern. Unless the Dems can actually accomplish SOMETHING between now and midterms, yeah, it's not looking good for 2022.

[Edited on November 3, 2021 at 2:51 PM. Reason : Thank God I live in CA and not VA anymore]

11/3/2021 2:47:31 PM

thegoodlife3
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http://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1455972832979079174

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" Not to be too pollyana but I'll just say last night's results were just about what I expected for the Democrats, probably a bit better. The macro conditions are bad right now and there's also good reason to think they could get appreciably better by a year from now."


http://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1455973155743358982

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" There is no magic button to press to make the opposition go away or not mobilize and no message to overcome larger headwinds. The best thing to do is focusing on doing as much good stuff as you can, and try to make life as good as possible for people by next year."


me and Chris Hayes, best buds 4 life

11/3/2021 3:28:57 PM

rwoody
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^^Sorry I was taking an uncalled for shot calling back to implying that California results portended positive news for the national party position. Confusing and unnecessary lashout so I'll rescind, in spirit if not in edit.


^"coulda been worse!" and "typical for new president" takes are very pundit brain, imo, too focused on the "game" while ignoring the actual potential negative affects on people's lives.

[Edited on November 3, 2021 at 4:43 PM. Reason : E]

11/3/2021 4:40:16 PM

utowncha
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Did he make any of these predictions going into last night? Seems to me one of the reasons I don't follow Chris Hayes is because everything he says is fueled by hindsight.

Which actually makes him less than a pundit. His usage of Pollyanna there is a little strange too, imo.

11/3/2021 5:59:01 PM

thegoodlife3
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^^ Pundit Brain is what gives us “DEMS IN DISARRAY” headlines and extrapolates last nights results into what it means for the 2022 midterms

he did neither of those things

11/3/2021 6:06:37 PM

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^^^ I mean at the time, it certainly seemed like good news, given how the media was trying to make it sound like Elder was going to surprise everyone. In hindsight, it may have meant little/nothing at all, but that's the problem with "political science"-- it's basically just Monday morning QBing and looking at things that just happened and trying to readjust predictions. Honestly, all punditry is annoying, but that's the result of a shitty 24/7 news/social media cycle. People are gonna vote however they vote, and predictions don't pan out a lot of the time.

[Edited on November 3, 2021 at 6:10 PM. Reason : no offense taken bruh]

11/3/2021 6:10:33 PM

rwoody
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Nah I agree it was better then the alternative just thought it didn't say anything about the national state of the party

^^i thought the "Dems in disarray" stupidity was counting seats before they finished counting votes? If Dems had lost as many seats as he first draft of that was article had thought, it might have been pretty disarray'ed. But that article had to be corrected multiple times as the actual seat count shifted.

11/3/2021 6:37:57 PM

rwoody
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I guess DiD is diff from what I thought so nevermind to that part.

11/3/2021 7:10:09 PM

thegoodlife3
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dems in disarray is what horse-race pundits go with when there’s even a hint of conflict within the party, which includes elections that are lost

11/3/2021 7:18:13 PM

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What about this? Governor's races are not national races. Why don't the pundits analyze how NC repeatedly votes for Democratic governors and Republican Presidents and Senators within the same elections? When a Democrat wins the race for governor in NC, the media doesn't say Republican national chances are doomed and that the state turned blue. These off-cycle elections are a little hinky.

11/3/2021 7:25:33 PM

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I personally don't care how it affects national, just that it will be negatively affect Virginia and will likely negatively affect the house seats in Virginia (unless VA is already heavily rep gerrymandered??)

11/3/2021 7:28:32 PM

StTexan
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Honestly, none of this is surprising. Dems are sucking right now

[Edited on November 4, 2021 at 12:19 AM. Reason : -]

11/4/2021 12:19:28 AM

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Care to elaborate why you feel that way? What they have done/not done that sucks and what you feel republicans would do differently?

[Edited on November 4, 2021 at 10:06 AM. Reason : E]

11/4/2021 10:06:07 AM

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Not letting in a million illegals would be a good start probably.

11/4/2021 12:50:02 PM

marko
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HURRRRRRRRRRR

11/4/2021 12:51:12 PM

thegoodlife3
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the mask, it is off

11/4/2021 12:52:33 PM

utowncha
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I don't understand the question because I thought it was pretty obvious things were going great?

11/4/2021 2:39:59 PM

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What question do you not understand

11/4/2021 6:42:08 PM

utowncha
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"dems are sucking right now" - You asked him to elaborate.

11/5/2021 12:55:29 PM

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I feel like you just explained. He thinks dems are sucking and I'd like to know why he thinks that? I guess all in all its not super important you understand the question since it was for sttexan, but it's pretty simple.

11/5/2021 2:32:24 PM

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The Dems do suck right now. They need to understand that folks didn't elect their candidates in Nov2020 because they actually liked Dem policy ideas: they elected them because they weren't Donald Trump or his psychopathic lackeys. The only thing the Dems need to do right now is be sane. The opposing party is literally a bunch of fascists. Just he sane!

Nancy Pelosi hijacked a transportation and infrastructure bill that was supported by god damned near everyone, in a time when you can't even get Congress to agree on what fucking day it is. We like our roads and bridges not to fall the fuck down, this shit is a slam dunk! And she couldn't help but smear her feces all over it and play fucking word games that daycare is the exact same as a god damned tunnel, while Biden is demanding every transaction is basically every fucking bank account in the country under the guise of "taxing the rich," cause we all know those bitches have hordes of bank accounts taking in 602bux a year while paying 400bux in bank fees. That's how you got rich, baby!

Just be fucking sane and you can get all these wish list items done over 10 years while the GOP continues to play "fellate the Führer". Or, piss the voters off with your shit and let them go pick the other side again

11/7/2021 11:19:12 PM

theDuke866
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^ yep.

except i don't blame Pelosi as much as the goddamned nuts in the progressive caucus.

11/8/2021 1:43:38 AM

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I'm wondering why neither of you are actually blaming Manchin and Sinema.

11/8/2021 2:20:32 AM

daaave
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those nutty progressives wanting things that every other developed country on earth has...like allowing mothers to spend time with their newborn children

11/8/2021 11:48:20 AM

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