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Pupils DiL8t
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^^^^ I don't have confidence that they won't.

I imagine that the reason that neither party has is that they anticipate a degree of backlash for doing so.

Again, I lean toward reforming the filibuster being potentially worth the consequences, given the stakes; however, I'm just not sure that "screw whatever consequences there may be" is the wisest approach.

One question that I have is, "Could Republicans use a simple majority to enact draconian nationwide voting restrictions that would negate the voting legislation that Democrats would enact?"

[Edited on September 2, 2021 at 3:16 PM. Reason : ]

9/2/2021 2:54:49 PM

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States are already doing that and overturning roe v Wade. The basic demographics that of the country and naturally undemocratic senate already makes majority rule a tough hill to climb, republicans are pretty close to entrenching permanent minority rule from a party that openly disdain democracy. I guess you always feel the stakes are high in your time, but at this point how could the stakes be higher.


Anyway saw this fun gem from someone who should retire
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https://t.co/dhadtT95rq"

9/2/2021 9:41:19 PM

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As much as I loathe Gavin Newsom as a person, this recall BLOWOUT is a good sign for Democrats looking ahead to 2022.

9/15/2021 12:57:43 PM

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Is though? I mean it is California, don’t know if you can extrapolate that to the larger democratic picture

9/15/2021 1:44:47 PM

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Elder is a basically a Trump clone, so it was a resounding rejection to his BS-- especially when it comes to COVID.

If the only way the GOP can win elections is through shady recalls, voter suppression, fraud claims, and gerrymandering, then yeah, I think they're kinda screwed in purple states for Midterms.

9/15/2021 2:37:17 PM

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I don't think it says much about anything other than Cali is still very solidly democratic and their recall system is broken

9/15/2021 3:42:57 PM

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I think it says a lot, actually.

Newsom just got a ton of free national press/exposure and the GOP looks like straight morons for trying to run a Trumper against a mainstream Democrat. Essentially Newsom performed even better than he did when he won in 2018 (percentage-wise), which shows that Democratic enthusiasm is definitely a thing-- at least if you look at the 2020 election and this recall.

The fact that the country's most populous state crushed a recall that was primarily based on his "incompetence" handling COVID shows that strict mandates/science matter, and people will vote to protect themselves, and want nothing to do with Trump.

Had the GOP gone with a more moderate/safe choice, we might be having an entirely different conversation.

[Edited on September 15, 2021 at 4:30 PM. Reason : .]

9/15/2021 4:29:33 PM

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Yeah, I'd be wary of reading much into the results beyond it not being a negative. Newsom outperforming his approval rating probably says more about Elders than it does about Newsom.

I am encouraged by the large turnout. And I'm really glad the recall was defeated by large enough margin to avoid media narratives about how California is turning purple or how it reflects poorly on Biden or how the Feinstein death watch is going, etc.

9/15/2021 5:51:30 PM

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^^But who cares if California is a tiny bit more blue? What affect does that have on Georgia or Pennsylvania?

Newsom getting national profile is actively bad, he sucks hard. God forbid he get the Feinstein seat somehow

9/15/2021 7:09:10 PM

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This election was clearly STOLEN!

9/15/2021 7:11:34 PM

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is there still a movement for California to secede from the US?

9/15/2021 7:24:45 PM

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^ I wish!

Actually, kinda but it's mostly just the same morons who voted Yes and for Elder

9/15/2021 8:02:46 PM

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"^^But who cares if California is a tiny bit more blue? What affect does that have on Georgia or Pennsylvania?

Newsom getting national profile is actively bad, he sucks hard. God forbid he get the Feinstein seat somehow"


I care. It shows that the most populous state in the Union has a clear preference for left/dem/liberal policies, and that beating Trump-like candidates is possible, and even super easy, depending on the district.You may not consider CA to be a "leader" in anything, but its influence (both economic AND political) is unquestionably global. States like GA and PA can have the exact same things people have in CA if they vote for them (and no, I don't mean the shitty stuff we have like out of control homelessness and wildfires). You seem to have missed the important part of the exit polls: the #1 issue votes cared about was COVID, and Newsom has done a pretty decent job, overall. The data proves it, and our friends in TX and FL are probably fucked for a while.

And I wouldn't worry too much about him becoming a Senator-- pretty sure homeboy wants to be the Dem nominee for POTUS, and he'd beat Kamala easily.

9/15/2021 9:12:16 PM

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Lol. Beating a Trump-like figure in California is nothing special at all.

The only thing I want for California and its people is to remain as is, and for its people to stay put.

9/16/2021 8:54:01 AM

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"It shows that the most populous state in the Union has a clear preference for left/dem/liberal policies, and that beating Trump-like candidates is possible, and even super easy, depending on the district"

Hasn't every election 2016 forward shown that?


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"pretty sure homeboy wants to be the Dem nominee for POTUS, and he'd beat Kamala easily."


9/16/2021 10:56:30 AM

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" The only thing I want for California and its people is to remain as is, and for its people to stay put."


care to expand on this?

9/16/2021 12:39:02 PM

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haha wtf

9/16/2021 12:44:50 PM

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goddamn Californians, almost as bad as Yankees!

9/16/2021 1:16:24 PM

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"care to expand on this?"


Please also include where you've traveled to in California and how long you spent there.

9/16/2021 1:47:02 PM

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"Hasn't every election 2016 forward shown that?"


No? If that were actually the case, the Dems would have a real majority in the Senate and people like Susan Collins wouldn't have been reelected so easily.

I know TWW isn't the best place for me to soak up optimism and positivity, but seriously, this blowout is absolutely a good thing for the Democratic Party and its platform going forward.

As pointed out earlier, if the recall had been closer, we'd be hearing non-stop about how fucked the left is that Trump's stranglehold on the American psyche is going to inevitably mean that 2022 midterms are going red.

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"The only thing I want for California and its people is to remain as is, and for its people to stay put."


Sorry, but California is a dynamic place with 40 million people and it is ALWAYS changing. Anecdotally speaking, I don't see many people heading for NC from CA (if anything, I see more and more NC plates around NorCal than ever), but if the people showing up are bringing mounds of cash and driving up property values, enjoy the tax revenue. Sorry we aren't sending our best and brightest (or...something).



[Edited on September 16, 2021 at 3:07 PM. Reason : $5 lafta bucks says rjrumple hasn't been west of the Rockies]

9/16/2021 3:03:07 PM

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I obviously wasn't talking about nation wide I was talking about "the most populous state in nation"

California bumping a couple points forward in this weird election with no popular alternates says nothing about how Arizona Georgia or arizona may go if Trump runs again and Biden's approval keeps going down.

And Gavin Newsom fucking sucks so anything that puts him closer to running for president has at least some downside

9/16/2021 7:16:16 PM

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^

9/16/2021 7:27:05 PM

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"california recall is a classic democrat election in that it was a lot of people freaking out and working very hard to make sure things stay as shitty as they are instead of getting catastrophically shitty"

https://twitter.com/kathbarbadoro/status/1437991832001159176?s=19

9/16/2021 7:29:08 PM

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"I obviously wasn't talking about nation wide I was talking about "the most populous state in nation"

California bumping a couple points forward in this weird election with no popular alternates says nothing about how Arizona Georgia or arizona may go if Trump runs again and Biden's approval keeps going down.

And Gavin Newsom fucking sucks so anything that puts him closer to running for president has at least some downside
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Didn't seem obvious to me-- it seemed rhetorical. But anyway, I can't expect people who don't live here to care much, but it was a big sigh of relief to me (and basically everyone I know) when the race got called 47 mins after the polls closed. I think Gavin Newsom is a terrible limo driving liberal, but he didn't deserve to be recalled, and the state AND country are better off (for now) with him still in office.

Unfortunately, he's unlikely to be primaried next year, and he ended up with extra cash AND headlines, so whether we like it or not, he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

[Edited on September 16, 2021 at 7:43 PM. Reason : BTW: nobody was 'freaking out'-- we all knew it was a waste of time/money]

[Edited on September 16, 2021 at 7:43 PM. Reason : seems like YOU are freaking out about Trump running in...3 years...]

[Edited on September 16, 2021 at 7:45 PM. Reason : .]

9/16/2021 7:40:07 PM

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Didn't seem obvious that when I quoted your statement about California that i was also talking about California?

Im not freaking out about 2024 at all, I'm not arguing Dems are gonna lose just that California tells us nothing one way or the other.

9/16/2021 8:31:47 PM

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It didn't, honestly.

We get our wires crossed from time to time, so there's that.

Anyway, I can understand the narrative that the results are meaningless "because it's CA" and they make sense, I just think that for establishment Dems, the blowout was a good sign for them. We don't have to agree, and in the end, nothing has fundamentally changed-- I just see it as a good sign that when warning lights flash, people are actually paying attention.

[Edited on September 16, 2021 at 8:35 PM. Reason : .]

9/16/2021 8:35:04 PM

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What warning lights? He was never in danger of losing!

9/17/2021 12:02:33 AM

UJustWait84
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^He had a bad batch of polls in August showing him losing, actually.

Whether that was just a scare tactic, or not, voter turnout was higher than expected for a special election.

Pretty much everyone I know voted. Even my students said they did and they never talk about voting.

9/17/2021 2:17:25 AM

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You said it yourself, the polls were bad. Which is why democrats should not get excited about 2022 midterms. In 2024 God help us all.

9/17/2021 4:33:10 AM

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"I think Gavin Newsom is a terrible limo driving liberal"


Shouldn't this be a limo-RIDING liberal? Otherwise. . .

https://youtu.be/hNN9kevvGFs

9/17/2021 5:15:14 AM

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^^ the polls were bad, yet he did better than expected? Uh…

^ I, too, have never driven a limo

9/17/2021 11:45:44 AM

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https://www.sfgate.com/bay-area-politics/article/London-Breed-mask-mandate-San-Francisco-COVID-19-16467024.php

Ok so I’m gonna log out now. Have a good one y’all.

9/17/2021 11:52:17 AM

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UJW loves to drop the mic without making a point

9/17/2021 2:40:29 PM

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9/21/2021 9:17:39 PM

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I wasn't actually trying to make a 'point'; I was just laughing at how all the good will from the recall got erased since the mayor of SF behaved in the same hypocritical fashion as Newsom.

Dems have a real problem with hypocrisy and even though what she did shouldn't matter very much (big deal, she's vaccinated and SF has low COVID risk), it's embarrassing.

[Edited on September 21, 2021 at 11:12 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2021 11:09:20 PM

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I'm going to try to give a compliment without it being backhanded: that's a good point, I think you should have included that with the link. (did I succeed)


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@ajentleson

9/21/2021 11:41:05 PM

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funding an apartheid regime but ***feeling bad*** about it

9/24/2021 4:51:59 PM

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A Dem stronghold
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@NYPDnews @NYCSanitation trashed a business, destroying produce in a food desert

This family is just trying to run a small business, and sell affordable fruits & veggies.

@NYCMayor beyond wrong https://t.co/dC9c7YkNGt "

9/25/2021 9:24:08 PM

rwoody
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How's everybody feeling about the filibuster lately?

9/28/2021 10:52:32 PM

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Definitely worth keeping right

9/28/2021 11:03:21 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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It's questionable whether Democrats even have a simple majority that would be needed to pass President Biden's agenda.

[Edited on September 29, 2021 at 8:27 AM. Reason : ]

9/29/2021 8:20:12 AM

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Yea you're probably right, manchin and Sinema are scared to vote yes on anything but the filibuster gives them some cover. The complete intransigence of the republican party is a problem too though.

I don't know that there is a solution for manchin. He's a classic "don't actively make things worse but definitely also don't try go make things better" but he is probably a lesser evil tehn whatever republican would come out of WV,

Sinema needs to be primaried hard

[Edited on September 29, 2021 at 10:59 AM. Reason : E]

9/29/2021 10:59:38 AM

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Republicans have already shown they will use the Nuclear Option.

9/29/2021 9:27:01 PM

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I’m in the do a whole bunch of small stuff that expires sooner and see what sticks camp, versus doing only a few things good, and funding them longer. In regards to reconciliation bill.

10/3/2021 2:35:56 AM

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If the republicans get the house in 2022, I'm sure they'll say they have no choice but to remove the filibuster to correct for the irreversible damage Biden and the democrats did over the past two years.

We're in a cycle where democrats hold off from doing something because they believe it'd be political suicide. Then democrats don't slam republicans for their actions because they think it gives dems room to act in the future and if republicans act like hypocrites, then it'll be the biggest scandal ever.

But both prove to be false because republicans are both willing to do the things dems held back from and be hypocrites when dems try to pull what they did. I guarantee if Biden tried to nominate a justice in 2022, with both houses, republicans would cry foul because he's not giving the people a chance for their voices to e heard.

10/5/2021 10:19:56 AM

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The question to ask is how many people do you think would decide their vote based on whether the filibuster was killed

Congress thinks people care about "rules" but they don't they care about their lives and whether governments helps or hurts. "the Dems got nothing done" would bet much more harmful then "the Dems killed filibuster but also did x, y, z, a, b and c"

10/5/2021 12:18:30 PM

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True. It's only going to anger people who are already outraged at dems as threats to the American way of life.

10/5/2021 3:41:08 PM

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10/18/2021 6:55:36 PM

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