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NeuseRvrRat
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he's a pretty typical establishment guy. supposedly he came with some money, so that's why they nominated him.

[Edited on June 2, 2016 at 8:26 PM. Reason : talking about Weld]

6/2/2016 8:25:43 PM

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I'll probably vote for him. I mean, I did 4 years ago, and the other options are even worse so. It makes sense. Unless it's literally gonna be 1 vote between trump and hilldawg, then I guess I'd vote for her.

6/2/2016 10:10:14 PM

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^same

would have been nice to get actual libertarians and not Republican light candidates tho

[Edited on June 3, 2016 at 10:53 AM. Reason : except the hillary part ]

6/3/2016 10:52:59 AM

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if he gets into the debates he could very well win. I'm not a fan but would love to see the system crash in his favor.

6/3/2016 6:22:23 PM

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"if he gets into the debates he could very well win."


LOLLLLOLOLOLOLOLER COPTER ALERT

6/3/2016 6:25:52 PM

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I know. Its silly to think they would let a 3rd party candidate into a debate. Not in a million years.

6/3/2016 6:48:24 PM

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6/3/2016 7:56:56 PM

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different era

6/3/2016 10:11:09 PM

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It's a different era because of Perot. After Perot they changed the requirements in such a way that NO third party candidate in the history of the country would be allowed in the debates. The debates are also put on by a private group run jointly by the Republicans and Democrats. It's designed to be exclusionary and prevent anyone else from ever having a chance to disrupt things the way that Perot was able to.

Right now Johnson/Weld isn't even being included in the polls so there's no way they'll be able to poll at 15% because they aren't even being included in the polls.

It's amazing that we don't have national, public debates that have a rational requirement for inclusion, like being on enough ballots to establish a mathematical possibility of winning the election.

That's sort of the one great hope with Trump, that it will break the system so profoundly that it forces some kind of reorganization of the parties and possibly opens the eyes of the voters to the fact that there are other alternatives.

6/3/2016 11:45:21 PM

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6/4/2016 12:29:08 AM

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No one cares about Gary Johnson.

6/4/2016 8:05:19 AM

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His numbers are starting to rise...popularity way up.

6/6/2016 5:11:18 PM

beatsunc
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^yeah he might be able to get the 15% needed to make the debates if they include him in polls

6/7/2016 9:25:11 AM

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This guy is amazing.

6/7/2016 9:27:10 AM

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6/9/2016 2:51:48 PM

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^that was funny. nice

6/9/2016 4:48:47 PM

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Yeah I'm not a huge fan of her show, but that segment was pretty great, as was he.

6/10/2016 12:03:14 AM

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hahaha "a peg that's been squaring herself since she was five...or a peg that's just fucking the hole for the fun of it"

hahaha

6/10/2016 1:50:40 AM

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I didn't really see the humor.

6/12/2016 2:52:17 PM

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now beating Clinton among independents

6/12/2016 3:08:48 PM

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if accurate, its over for her

im a stein supporter but can see that based on the sum of everyones views in this country, johnson should win the election. i don't see why any conservative or moderate would vote for anyone other than johnson. I can see why a liberal or progressive would believe hillarys lies and vote for her over stein or johnson though.

6/12/2016 3:21:43 PM

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over for her? what the fuck are you on about?

6/12/2016 3:37:36 PM

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"now beating Clinton among independents"

6/12/2016 3:49:38 PM

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Earl gonna Earl

6/12/2016 4:14:04 PM

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this is kind of a big deal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/22/cnn-town-hall-gives-libertarian-party-an-unprecedented-shot-at-prime-time/

6/22/2016 4:05:54 PM

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Yeah that's awesome, but it would be an actual big deal if he can make the general debates. He's going to have to double his numbers, but that's definitely possible given this season

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"He added that a good showing by Johnson could help him qualify for general election debates in the fall. Johnson would have to get his poll numbers up to 15 percent."

6/22/2016 4:24:06 PM

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When is the green town hall?

6/22/2016 7:23:34 PM

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Probably never. I'd have to check, but I don't think the green party can't win the election based on electoral math (only on ballot in 21 states) and Stein is polling lower than Johnson.

I'd like for everyone who could theoretically win enough electoral votes to be in the debates, but it ain't gonna happen. I'm pleasantly surprised that CNN is doing this, but I doubt they'll give Johnson much more run than this unless something changes dramatically.

6/22/2016 7:43:03 PM

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The fact that they're rolling out Johnson as a viable candidate means that the media hates Trump even more than we initially thought.

6/22/2016 9:56:04 PM

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Why wouldn't he be a viable candidate

6/22/2016 10:21:36 PM

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^^The media hates Trump? Are you crazy? The dude is ratings gold. They even give his yes-boys hours of time on the talking heads shows. It's all Trump all the time. I think you need to re-calibrate your foil hat

6/22/2016 10:23:30 PM

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"Why wouldn't he be a viable candidate"


I mean, I think he's great personally - has executive experience and seems right on the stuff I care about.

The media doesn't take him seriously though. He's just useful. When he stops being useful, they'll destroy him like every other libertarian. He's racist, he doesn't care about the poor, he wants big corporations to be able to sell poison water to babies, he wants to turn the United States into Somalia, etc.

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"The media hates Trump? Are you crazy? The dude is ratings gold. They even give his yes-boys hours of time on the talking heads shows. It's all Trump all the time. I think you need to re-calibrate your foil hat"


I think the media owners probably like Trump. The talking heads don't like him because he upstages them.

6/23/2016 12:19:54 AM

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I just wish the media would stop journalizing about everything and just REPORT the facts (not truth).

6/24/2016 5:53:04 PM

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13%, inching toward a debate invite

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/battleground-polls-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/index.html

6/29/2016 10:22:58 AM

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Are there specific polls that matter more than others?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html

6/29/2016 10:54:40 AM

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idk, I don't pay attention to every poll anymore. I have noticed that many of them have a Democrat skew recently.

6/29/2016 11:13:43 AM

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Found it

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"CPD established a rule that for a party to be included in the national debates it must garner at least 15% support across five national polls"

6/29/2016 11:16:50 AM

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oh I was confused by what you meant. I read today that there are actually 5 specific polls after labor day, but they dont say which ones

6/29/2016 11:28:16 AM

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That's such a Catch-22, established by Democrats and Republicans to ensure they will always remain in power.

If the media ever honestly reported on all of the parties, more people would know of the options and probably opt NOT to vote for a D or an R.

But they will make sure that NEVER HAPPENS.

6/29/2016 3:51:17 PM

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https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-election/gary-johnson-proved-positive-campaign-ads-work-with-his-latest-video/

6/30/2016 6:44:13 PM

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Free market baby. They do what gets the most eyeballs and clicks. More profits = happy shareholders. What's the alternative? C-SPAN for all??

6/30/2016 11:41:06 PM

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^^

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"over a million views"


lol

7/1/2016 10:02:43 AM

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7/1/2016 10:48:21 AM

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"Free market baby. They do what gets the most eyeballs and clicks. More profits = happy shareholders. What's the alternative? C-SPAN for all??"


I completely agree. I don't like it, but it's what sells.

That's why you can have news organizations (MSNBC, CNN) pushing for a week that Donald Trump masked himself as his own Public Affairs guy 30 years ago like it's a big story how he lied, but never mentioned the multiple times Clinton lied.

Because Donald Trump is hot right now, and Clinton is a known evil.

But dang, it's frustrating that people are that idiotic (like, Idiocracy idiotic) to not wake up...if only the truth and actual issues sold to the public.

7/1/2016 8:02:44 PM

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With so many on the right saying that a vote for Gary Johnson would be a vote for Hillary Clinton and so many on the left saying that a vote for Gary Johnson would be a vote for Donald Trump, doesn't, at some point, a vote for Gary Johnson just become a vote for Gary Johnson?

7/15/2016 12:33:07 PM

beatsunc
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they need to let him in the debates

7/15/2016 12:41:33 PM

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"With so many on the right saying that a vote for Gary Johnson would be a vote for Hillary Clinton and so many on the left saying that a vote for Gary Johnson would be a vote for Donald Trump, doesn't, at some point, a vote for Gary Johnson just become a vote for Gary Johnson?"


Yes. That whole argument is fundamentally flawed. If they insist on framing it in those terms, then a vote for Gary Johnson is the same as abstaining, NOT the same as voting FOR whatever candidate they are against. This line is frequently used by Trump supporters. They of course want you to vote for Trump.

If you vote for Trump instead of Clinton, then your vote created a two-vote differential between Trump and Clinton. If you actually voted for Clinton, it would be a two-vote differential in reverse order.

By voting for Gary Johnson or any other candidate, the impact on the Trump-Clinton differential is the same as an abstention. It creates only a 1-vote differential when compared to voting FOR one of the two main-party candidates.

So can we just stop using this stupid line of thinking?

7/17/2016 7:20:30 PM

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^ it's more complex than that.

In NC, which is a swing state that leans to Trump, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary, or vice versa. And with an election that seems to be getting close, this makes a difference.

In a state that's far more Republican, a vote for Johnson is at worst an abstain, since it has no effect on the electoral college vote.

In a state with electoral college divided proportionally, it also doesn't really split the vote.

It depends on historical models in your state, and how your state does electoral college votes.

7/17/2016 7:34:25 PM

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i thought they were all or nothing

7/17/2016 8:52:51 PM

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It also matters whether or not you're a principled person who can sleep at night knowing you voted for Trump or Clinton.

7/17/2016 9:00:55 PM

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