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[Edited on December 1, 2012 at 5:49 PM. Reason : .]

12/1/2012 5:48:49 PM

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"I have absolutely no information that could lead me to the conclusion that this guy will be able to out-recruit Tom O'Brien's staff."


I think a trained monkey couldve done a better job of in-state recruiting

12/1/2012 5:49:45 PM

emory
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"I think a trained monkey couldve done a better job of in-state recruiting"


We already tried Chuck as head coach.

12/1/2012 5:51:22 PM

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It took the TOB credibility thread 2+ days to hit 2 pages, this one took a little over an hour and the press conference hasn't started yet. Oh boy.

I love this hire and just the fact that he took us over Purdue gives him a +1 as he must've seen something (hopefully other than money) he liked more about us than them.

12/1/2012 5:54:13 PM

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psh recruit in-state if you can but really fuck recruiting in nc given his big ten country connections. exploit your midwest ties and bring in some big-ass d-linemen and o-linemen. think chuck's florida ties but the ability to coach them in addition to the ability to recruit them.

[Edited on December 1, 2012 at 5:55 PM. Reason : ]

12/1/2012 5:54:57 PM

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"I have absolutely no information that could lead me to the conclusion that this guy will be able to out-recruit Tom O'Brien's staff.
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I think he recruited players like Montee Ball and Aqib Talib...

12/1/2012 5:55:48 PM

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"I love this hire and just the fact that he took us over Purdue"


this exactly, you look at a coachs offer list as well as a recruit. when I heard he turned down purdue I figured there was no chance for us to get him

12/1/2012 5:57:41 PM

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"I think he recruited players like Montee Ball and Aqib Talib..."


Sweet. He's got good taste in RBs and rappers.

12/1/2012 5:57:46 PM

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Didn't we fuck over Purdue's coaching search last year too? Like they almost got Tenuta but we stole him back

12/1/2012 5:57:49 PM

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Looks like Cal came a calling to

12/1/2012 5:58:34 PM

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He can do a tandem jump with Gottfried next year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrD7DbFSr0Y

12/1/2012 5:59:24 PM

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LOL on the espn comments page dissing Yow for calling him an "overachiever"...

[Edited on December 1, 2012 at 6:04 PM. Reason : ... ssup Peri ]

12/1/2012 5:59:59 PM

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Auburn was interested as well

12/1/2012 6:00:08 PM

sand robot
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Good call on dykes

12/1/2012 6:04:18 PM

dweedle
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lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bff_09uGi70

12/1/2012 6:12:48 PM

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NC State will formerly announce Doeren at a press conference on Sunday, fans can listen to the press conference live on 99.9FM The Fan ESPN Radio, watch it live on WRAL 2 or online at WRAL.com and WRALSportsFan.com. WRAL 2 can be seen over-the-air on 5.2 and on Time Warner Cable, digital, channel 106.

12/1/2012 6:26:12 PM

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12/1/2012 6:27:03 PM

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great hire...love it

12/1/2012 6:29:19 PM

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"Domain Name: FIREDAVEDOEREN.COM
Created on: 01-Dec-12
Expires on: 01-Dec-13
Last Updated on: 01-Dec-12

Registrant:
PhoenixWeb Internet Creations
PO Box 13863
Durham, North Carolina 27709-3863
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Administrative Contact:
Doucette, T. Greg info@phoenixwebinc.net"


lol nice move TGD

12/1/2012 6:31:01 PM

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Good, where would we be without the "firedavedoeren.com was registered within hours of the news being leaked" ending shot in all the articles about this hiring.

12/1/2012 6:34:34 PM

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"Pat Forde ?@YahooForde
Doeren takes NC State job, spurns interest from Auburn -- guess I'm not only one who thinks NCSU better job of the two."

12/1/2012 6:36:39 PM

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^^ don't worry, i'm sure it was along the same lines as when BobbyDigital registered firemarkgottfried.com to preempt the idiots amongst our fanbase from making us all looking like dummies

12/1/2012 6:39:16 PM

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Forde has been our biggest cheerleader lately.

12/1/2012 6:40:23 PM

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"Quote :
"Domain Name: FIREDAVEDOEREN.COM
Created on: 01-Dec-12
Expires on: 01-Dec-13
Last Updated on: 01-Dec-12

Registrant:
PhoenixWeb Internet Creations
PO Box 13863
Durham, North Carolina 27709-3863
United States

Administrative Contact:
Doucette, T. Greg info@phoenixwebinc.net"


lol nice move TGD
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Wow!

12/1/2012 6:40:36 PM

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"^^ don't worry, i'm sure it was along the same lines as when BobbyDigital registered firemarkgottfried.com to preempt the idiots amongst our fanbase from making us all looking like dummies"


That was my assumption, but for some reason I doubt any reporters will email TGD to ask.

12/1/2012 6:45:56 PM

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i think it's pretty obvious the reason for purchasing that domain.

12/1/2012 8:06:00 PM

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-1 for not winning a single game at NC State EVER!! must fire now

I swear, if he gets us to bowl games every year (and wins), runs a clean program, dominates UNC, and has a senior class graduate as the winningest senior class ever, I will be pissed and calling for this chump to be fired ASAP. Anything less than ACC Champs is unacceptable, unless of couse he gets us there consistantly, but can't make the NCAA Championship game, then fuck him. We must rise the bar every year until we get at least 15 or 16 wins in a season.

*sigh*

12/1/2012 10:09:11 PM

simonn
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did you get it all out?

12/1/2012 10:24:17 PM

JasonNSCU85
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yea

I'm siked now... let's do this

12/1/2012 10:25:36 PM

saps852
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he's already contacting current recruits

+500

12/1/2012 10:31:57 PM

goalielax
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finished a season of MACtion with the 15th ranked scoring defense

+15

12/1/2012 10:43:02 PM

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NIU rankings (adjusted for opponents strength, not raw data)

Doeren years:

2012:
Overall: 30
Offense: 33
Defense: 34
ST: 12

2011:
Overall: 53
Offense: 15
Defense: 89
ST: 71


Pre Doeren (Jerry Kill, hired away by Minnesota)


2010:
Overall: 41
Offense: 27
Defense: 58
ST: 26


2009:
Overall: 65
Offense: 64
Defense: 84
ST: 16

2008:
Overall: 60
Offense: 78
Defense:52
ST: 77


I think it's safe to say Jerry Kill did a very good job recruiting there to turn that program around and that we don't really have any clue how Doeren will fair as a recruiter given his limited experience as a head coach.

That being said, the improvement from last year to this year on the defensive side of the ball is remarkable and I think it's fair to assume Doeren had a lot to do with that given his defensive background.

For the most part our program has had success on the offensive side of the ball but has had suspect defenses over the last ~7 seasons. Hopefully, Doeren improves our defense substantially while maintaining our tradition of landing great QB's and WR's. If we ever get a running game going that would be awesome, but I'm not going to hold my breath (or sac).

12/1/2012 11:12:26 PM

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"For the most part our program has had success on the offensive side of the ball but has had suspect defenses over the last ~7 seasons. "


False

There was only one year where the offense outperformed the defense is scoring and total offense.

Not a single unit ever broke into the top 30 in a total or scoring offense or defense category in his tenure.

2012:
Scoring Offense: 70th
Total Offense: 50th
Scoring Defense: 46th
Total Defense: 81st

2011:
Scoring Offense: 54th
Total Offense: 94th
Scoring Defense: 54th
Total Defense: 41st

2010:
Scoring Offense: 32nd
Total Offense: 39th
Scoring Defense: 29th
Total Defense: 31st

2009:
Scoring Offense: 30th
Total Offense: 46th
Scoring Defense: 99th
Total Defense: 55th

2008:
Scoring Offense: 80th
Total Offense: 88th
Scoring Defense: 65th
Total Defense: 83rd

2007:
Scoring Offense: 99th
Total Offense: 98th
Scoring Defense: 65th
Total Defense: 66th

[Edited on December 1, 2012 at 11:31 PM. Reason : .]

12/1/2012 11:30:42 PM

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"qntmfred: ^^ don't worry, i'm sure it was along the same lines as when BobbyDigital registered firemarkgottfried.com to preempt the idiots amongst our fanbase from making us all looking like dummies"

This. I did the same with firegottfried.com too.

Unless of course this guy turns out to be a complete and total failure, in which case...

[kidding!]

12/1/2012 11:38:29 PM

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:fistbump:

[Edited on December 1, 2012 at 11:43 PM. Reason : .]

12/1/2012 11:42:17 PM

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^^^yeah, I don't think everyone realizes that our offense this year was only ranked 70th in scoring. That's not good.

[Edited on December 2, 2012 at 1:23 AM. Reason : r]

12/2/2012 1:22:37 AM

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Dave Doeren

11/14/2012 12:41:56 AM
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message_topic.aspx?topic=631981&page=4#15609251

Supporting Doeren since 11/14/2012

12/2/2012 2:35:17 AM

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^Will you support him if he's 7-5 in year 6

12/2/2012 8:23:59 AM

ThePeter
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Technically, stoncuttr was the first to mention Doeren as a hot head coach candidate in general, with sand robot first to mention him in the context of NC State

12/2/2012 10:27:14 AM

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Okay, I should have said our offense was great during the Wilson years and poor under the Glennon years.

Kicking RW off the team will forever be TOB's legacy. No way around it.

12/2/2012 11:12:00 AM

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I was looking up some videos of DD and found one where he's mic'd up for NIU's 2012 spring game. I know there's zero pressure in a spring game, but it's interesting to see how he interacts with players. Very encouraging, very down-to-earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxOSgib-RiQ

12/2/2012 11:20:02 AM

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during the RW years, the defense still generally outperformed the the offense.

12/2/2012 11:21:43 AM

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I am excited for him to get here. That being said, can we still continue the TOB'ing?

12/2/2012 11:22:57 AM

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DD is keeping the TOB'ing going

12/2/2012 11:27:40 AM

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"during the RW years, the defense still generally outperformed the the offense."


LOL. We shouldn't even need to look at the stats on this one to know that isn't true. The defense was abysmal RW's first two years. It wasn't that long ago, some of y'all smoke too much.


2010:
Offense: 25
Defense: 11

2009:
Offense: 16
Defense: 85

2008:
Offense: 17
Defense: 68

12/2/2012 11:31:29 AM

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he has the hairline that i expect to have by his age.

12/2/2012 11:41:30 AM

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where on earth are you getting those numbers? they're sure not from the NCAA official statistics database

For example, there's not one offensive category in 2008 that matches that random 17 you've assigned to the offense:

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2008&div=IA&site=org

Rush Offense: 87th
Pass Offense: 65th
Total Offense: 88th
Scoring Offense: 80th
Passing Efficiency: 81st

[Edited on December 2, 2012 at 11:48 AM. Reason : .]

12/2/2012 11:43:00 AM

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meeting w/ team for first time




12/2/2012 12:22:16 PM

face
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^^ my numbers are opponent adjusted, i don't look at raw data as it's completely meaningless

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"The Fremeau Efficiency Index (FEI) considers each of the nearly 20,000 possessions every season in major college football. All drives are filtered to eliminate first-half clock-kills and end-of-game garbage drives and scores. A scoring rate analysis of the remaining possessions then determines the baseline possession efficiency expectations against which each team is measured. A team is rewarded for playing well against good teams, win or lose, and is punished more severely for playing poorly against bad teams than it is rewarded for playing well against bad teams."



But regardless of what numbers we look at. NO ONE would argue that our defense was good RW's first two years. Duke's offense put up Tecmo numbers on us for god's sake.

[Edited on December 2, 2012 at 12:38 PM. Reason : a]

12/2/2012 12:37:19 PM

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"this guy's got everything you want. he's coached under someone that i respect at a power school, and he's had great success as a head coach at lesser levels. great job, as expected, debbie yow.

now get us the fuck in the sec."


simonn posted in search thread. This could be the best hire NCSU has made in most of our lifetimes in the two major sports.

12/2/2012 12:57:31 PM

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