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TerdFerguson
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A nazi screaming America First slogans over a loud speaker is a little more 1930s rather than 1920s isn’t?

9/15/2022 6:58:36 PM

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^GG

9/16/2022 7:52:55 AM

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https://www.wral.com/nearly-half-of-nc-republicans-have-little-to-no-confidence-ballots-will-be-counted-properly-this-year-wral-poll-shows/20505117/

10/4/2022 9:46:03 AM

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Unless they win. Then there's no issue with the counts.

10/4/2022 12:45:00 PM

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https://indyweek.com/news/northcarolina/trump-aligned-legislators-in-nc-democracy-danger/

10/12/2022 12:26:37 PM

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Weird. So did Thom Tillis really not win his Senate election in 2020?

10/12/2022 1:14:46 PM

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^Oh, no. Those results were 100% legit.

10/12/2022 1:43:14 PM

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https://www.wral.com/tillis-works-to-pass-same-sex-marriage-bill-despite-earlier-opposition/20582706/

11/18/2022 8:32:49 AM

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https://www.wral.com/nc-legislative-staffer-s-short-tenure-ended-after-appearances-on-pro-white-show-resurface/20690710/

you mean to tell me that the state GOP is riddled with racists?!?!?

1/26/2023 2:05:57 PM

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I am shocked. I mean, I am shocked!

1/26/2023 5:33:07 PM

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I was channeling this:



Fuck that rases shit (Clint)!

1/27/2023 7:04:00 AM

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https://www.wral.com/nc-senate-poised-to-approve-controversial-lgbtq-bill-for-public-schools/20708003/

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"The proposed legislation would force teachers in any grade to out some transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. It would require notification of parents if a student asked to be called by a different name or different pronouns, or if there is a change "related to his or her child's mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being."


this is awful, awful shit

2/7/2023 1:16:49 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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Small government conservatives in this state

2/7/2023 6:15:45 PM

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HB40 is bullshit too and definitely racially motivated.

2/8/2023 4:32:27 PM

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Seems perfectly reasonable to inform parents of a major change in their child's medical history. I'm sure the GOP has a hamm fisted approach to it, but...

2/8/2023 4:55:08 PM

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That shouldn't extend to gender identification or sexual orientation, however. I don't think there's any doubt that some parents wouldn't be able to be "good" parents after hearing news like that (and by "good" I mean not beating the shit out of their children).

2/8/2023 9:15:21 PM

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There are quite a few things that parents beat their children about which schools still report. Some Muslim parents would kill their daughter if she were raped. Other parents beat their kids over bad grades. Still others beat them over the smallest of transgressions because they are just shitty people. None of that prevents us from realizing that there are things parents should just be told.

Besides, if this is really a concern for an individual kid, then get social services involved, as I imagine there are quite a few red flags already. There's no reason to hide such an important issue from all parents when you can just deal with the actual problem parents. Moreover, they are going to find out one way or another anyway. If there are concerns, it's probably best to actually know when that conversation is going to happen.

Now, I'd generally agree that reporting sexual orientation is dumb. If it's in the bill, well, that's the GOP for ya. Parents should probably know about it, but I wouldn't go about reporting it. But gender identity? Nah. That's a medical issue, and parents have a fundamental right to be involved in medical decisions concerning their children. It's a self-evident fact, and the fact that it even has to be stated shows just how unhinged the left has become over this issue. They've damned near approached it as a religion at this point, the Church of the Transgender, and all must bow to the hat on the pole, no matter how absurd. Their religious zeal and fervor rivals only that of maybe the Westboro Baptist Church. In any other medical scenario, we'd all agree that parents should be informed, but when a kid wants to take puberty blockers and potentially lop off body parts? Nope. That's just batshit insane.

Just think about it how absurdly backwards this is to everything else we do in schools... my kid wants to so much as take two steps off of campus during the day, I've damned near got to get a signed, notarized permission slip, filled out in triplicate. He stubs his toe? That's a 6 page incident report. Skins his knee on the playground? Probably a Congressional inquiry is incoming. But he indicates designs on undergoing irrevocable medical procedures that I'm financially responsible for that he can probably barely even understand the full ramifications of because he doesn't even have a fully formed pre-frontal cortex? Yep, we're gonna keep that secret and let him self-select into it with no input whatsoever from me. Bat. Shit. Insane.

2/8/2023 11:27:17 PM

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that seems to be worded in an overly broad and impossible to enforce way. It seems meant to give parents a legal bludgeon against schools, if the schools don't harass gay kids enough.

Reminds me of desantis law in Florida where schools can't teach anything that might make a student feel guilt

2/9/2023 12:12:25 AM

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" In any other medical scenario, we'd all agree that parents should be informed, but when a kid wants to take puberty blockers and potentially lop off body parts? Nope. That's just batshit insane."


wat

do you think trans kids are having procedures done while in school?

also, why do you think people are in the closet?

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" They've damned near approached it as a religion at this point, the Church of the Transgender, and all must bow to the hat on the pole, no matter how absurd. Their religious zeal and fervor rivals only that of maybe the Westboro Baptist Church."


what in the fuck are you talking about, man?

[Edited on February 9, 2023 at 12:52 AM. Reason : .]

2/9/2023 12:45:32 AM

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^^^I never said a parent shouldn't be informed over a medical procedure. "Gender Identity" does not equal "Medical Procedure".

As for the rest, you might have a point were it not for the fact that we live in a culture that is only *just* now evolving to accepting homosexuals as non degenerates and granting them rights such as marriage. Because of that alone, a child deserves privacy (even from their parents) with such a personal issue (much more personal than "bad grades" ). And it's a well known fact that coming out to parents can destroy the child/parent relationship; that shouldn't be forced on anyone.

[Edited on February 9, 2023 at 12:50 AM. Reason : ^]

2/9/2023 12:49:45 AM

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I feel like there's a distinction to make between a teacher choosing to out a transgender student to their parents and the state forcing a teacher to out a transgender student to their parents.

Also, are minors even able to obtain puberty blockers or gender reassignment surgery without parental consent?

[Edited on February 9, 2023 at 10:48 AM. Reason : ]

2/9/2023 10:29:31 AM

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I got a question to anyone who thinks teachers have a duty to out students to their parents regarding their sexual orientation:

Do they also have a duty to provide continual updates to the parents on the specific individuals their child is crushing on (hetero or homo)?

2/9/2023 11:21:19 AM

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^^^ I might agree, except that the stated goal is impossible. Parents will find out, and probably in an even more awkward way that harms the relationship even worse. So, in order to try and achieve the impossible, we're going to deny parents fundamentally basic rights in the raising of their children and have children navigating the healthcare system either on their own or at the direction of a school employee with absolutely no input from their parents. Again, it's the kind of thing that in any other scenario we would say is absolutely absurd, but all logic and reason goes out the window when the Church of Transgender gets involved.

Also, "gender affirming care" is, by definition, medical care. Once again, the Church wants to engage in doublespeak and suggest that there's no medical care going on, but then flip their shit when that very medical care is prohibited by the state (a policy which is, itself, quite absurd, wtg GOP)

^^^^ There are extant lawsuits where exactly that is happening, where students are being counseled on transitioning and even being helped with along with it by school counselors without even notifying parents. How in the hell is that a rational thing?

^^ The fact that this is talked about as being "outing" shows just how much the Church of Transgender has captured the progressive left and, by extension, public education. It's a subversive use of language to disguise the reality of what's going on: an almost religiously-treated, irrevocable conversion. If a child truly has a medical condition, it's not "outing" to bring it to the attention of their parents. If the school finds the kid is addicted to meth, would telling the parents be "outing" them? Or just letting the parents know about something they need to take care of? Instead, it gets phrased as "outing," to suggest that it's something that parents have no business knowing.

^ If crushing on a student might lead to lopping off body parts, self-mutilation, or medication/puberty blockers, then sure. The conflation of gender identity concerns with sexual orientation (by advocates, not you) is intentionally misleading so as to lump two wildly different things into the same bucket, allowing them to be treated similarly to avoid the whole logic and common sense thing from being applied to the thing being deceptively lumped in with the other.

2/14/2023 9:14:36 PM

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"... except that the stated goal is impossible. Parents will find out, and probably in an even more awkward way that harms the relationship even worse."


That's just bullshit. Children manage to hide their sexual orientation from their parents. Not all, of course, but it's quite obviously not "impossible".

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"So, in order to try and achieve the impossible, we're going to deny parents fundamentally basic rights in the raising of their children and have children navigating the healthcare system either on their own or at the direction of a school employee with absolutely no input from their parents."


I'm not against requiring parental notification for medical procedures. I've never said otherwise. I do think, however, parental notification should be the responsibility of the doctor (isn't it already a requirement? If so, why get teachers involved?), not the school.

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"If crushing on a student might lead to lopping off body parts, self-mutilation, or medication/puberty blockers, then sure. The conflation of gender identity concerns with sexual orientation (by advocates, not you) is intentionally misleading so as to lump two wildly different things into the same bucket, allowing them to be treated similarly to avoid the whole logic and common sense thing from being applied to the thing being deceptively lumped in with the other."


Do you support notifying parents of their child's sexual orientation, specifically?

2/15/2023 1:45:25 AM

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"If a child truly has a medical condition, it's not 'outing' to bring it to the attention of their parents."


What exactly is the "medical condition" in this scenario?

If a student is beginning to identify as a different gender among their peers and isn't prepared to inform their parents, who may have transphobic sentiments, what word would you use to describe a faculty member informing the parents of the student's shift in perspective, against the student's wishes, if not as "outing" the student?

Can you cite instances of students obtaining puberty blockers or gender reassignment surgery without parental consent?

2/15/2023 9:00:35 AM

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I, for one, am shocked that the bigot who couldn’t handle marriage equality is grasping at straws in an attempt to defend the bigots of the NC GOP (and the GOP at large)

2/15/2023 1:42:49 PM

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Teachers should notify parents if they learn something about their child that one day in the future *might*lead to a medical procedure? Uh okay. I'm sure they have time for that. Notwithstanding how stupid that is to begin with.

Should I also call every parent of a student who has a garbage diet?

Unless schools are the one's giving medical treatment, this idea makes zero sense.

Maybe you should have a better relationship with your child. How about doing that instead of getting schools to snitch on your kid who hates you.

[Edited on February 20, 2023 at 10:25 AM. Reason : needed to]

2/20/2023 10:05:50 AM

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"That's just bullshit. Children manage to hide their sexual orientation from their parents. Not all, of course, but it's quite obviously not "impossible".
I'm not against requiring parental notification for medical procedures. I've never said otherwise. I do think, however, parental notification should be the responsibility of the doctor (isn't it already a requirement? If so, why get teachers involved?), not the school."


Gender identity != sexual orientation. That's a much tougher thing to hide long term.
And what "doctor" got involved without the parent's consent? How did it even reach that point without notifying a parent? Courts have been pretty explicit that schools are to defer to parents in broad swathes of decisions, especially medical ones.

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"Do you support notifying parents of their child's sexual orientation, specifically?"

Does sexual orientation lead to lopping off body parts?

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"What exactly is the "medical condition" in this scenario?"

I was not aware that gender dysphoria and identity disorders were not medical conditions. I guess that means Florida can move forward with blocking gender affirming care, because there's no medical implications whatsoever, right? Don't be coy. And what word would I use other than outing? Sane words, that we would use in any other instance, were the Church of Transgender not involved: parental notification.

^^ I wasn't against marriage equality. Good try, though. Typical church of woke, calling anyone who doesn't toe the orthodox line a bigot and "anti-" whatever is at issue. Why are you anti-parent here? Why do you hate parental rights? Why do you hate the regular family? Are you trying to destroy families?
See how stupid that sounds. You have legit concerns which I disagree with, but I can accept that you don't hate anyone in the process.

^ If they learn? Nah. But when the child wants to start acting on it, you're god damned right the schools should be notifying parents. Any form of gender affirming care is medical care, full stop. Schools must notify parents before providing such care, which includes the use of pronouns, new names, etc. But the Church of Transgender is involved, so we can't see straight on the issue.

And of course you should have a great relationship with your child. But can we remember that these are kids who frequently believe their parents will react far worse than they actually will? As I said before, if there are actual concerns of how a parent will respond, then social services should be notified. Otherwise, assuming a priori that all parents are irredeemable assholes who would murder their child over gender dysphoria is wildly irresponsible and not in line with reality.

2/22/2023 7:32:30 PM

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pronouns are "medical care"?

2/22/2023 7:49:58 PM

aaronburro
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Several sources say "yes." Unfortunately, wading through the dogma surrounding it is difficult, but some sources go so far as to call it a cornerstone of their health.

2/22/2023 8:19:45 PM

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"Gender identity != sexual orientation. That's a much tougher thing to hide long term."


And I think the child is entitled to privacy on both so long as medical procedures are not on the table. Do you disagree?

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"And what "doctor" got involved without the parent's consent?"


What are you even talking about? I mentioned no such doctor. I'm unaware of any such doctor. What point are you even attempting to make?

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"How did it even reach that point without notifying a parent?"


Well....did it reach that point? I thought we were discussing a law, not a particular case. Again, I'm not aware of it ever reaching that point. I certainly haven't discussed such a case, so I'm asking once again: What are you even talking about?

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"Courts have been pretty explicit that schools are to defer to parents in broad swathes of decisions, especially medical ones."


Have I disagreed with this? I do not believe I have. Again, what point are you even trying to make?

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"Does sexual orientation lead to lopping off body parts?"


Is it too hard for you to just answer the goddamn question?

No. Sexual orientation does not lead to lopping off body parts. However, I still do not know your answer to the question:

Do you support notifying parents of their child's sexual orientation, specifically?

You spoke earlier of

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"The conflation of gender identity concerns with sexual orientation (by advocates, not you) is intentionally misleading so as to lump two wildly different things into the same bucket, allowing them to be treated similarly to avoid the whole logic and common sense thing from being applied to the thing being deceptively lumped in with the other."


...and yet you can't even be bothered to clarify your own position between the two.

2/22/2023 8:49:39 PM

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On rereading this:

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"And what "doctor" got involved without the parent's consent? How did it even reach that point without notifying a parent? Courts have been pretty explicit that schools are to defer to parents in broad swathes of decisions, especially medical ones."


I now understand the scenario you're bringing up. Sorry about that:

My position would be that the school guidance counselor/whatever has the duty to lend an ear to whatever the child wants to talk about. If that is sexual orientation/gender identification, the child has the right to privacy as long as medical procedures are not on the table. Once they are on the table, it's the school's duty to notify the doctor, and it's the doctor's duty to then notify the parents.

2/22/2023 9:22:19 PM

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" I wasn't against marriage equality. Good try, though. Typical church of woke, calling anyone who doesn't toe the orthodox line a bigot and "anti-" whatever is at issue. Why are you anti-parent here? Why do you hate parental rights? Why do you hate the regular family? Are you trying to destroy families?
See how stupid that sounds. You have legit concerns which I disagree with, but I can accept that you don't hate anyone in the process."


dude, your in posts this thread still exist:

https://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=626655

great job using the term “woke” as if it wouldn’t cause your mask to slip off

I’m anti-parent when it comes to any parent who would make their kids life even more difficult than it already is if they were unwillingly outed to a bigoted parent

what in the fuck do you mean by “the regular family”???

[Edited on February 23, 2023 at 1:27 AM. Reason : .]

2/23/2023 1:25:04 AM

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I'm still trying to imagine what a kid could possibly say to me about a potential medical procedure that would lead me to contact a parent? What am I hearing that is so urgent exactly? What is it that a school is hearing where they need to intervene?

How does this play out? They are telling me "I want to have this surgery," or treatment, etc., and I then...call their parents?

Why am I doing that exactly?

We don't schedule medical procedures around here.

[Edited on February 23, 2023 at 10:47 AM. Reason : clarity]

[Edited on February 23, 2023 at 10:48 AM. Reason : .]

2/23/2023 10:36:24 AM

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^i hope you post at least 15 times per week. You are the real hero. 8100 days +

2/26/2023 2:33:29 AM

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Teacher detected.

2/26/2023 8:56:06 AM

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I recently remembered my password. Only intended to troll a buddy. But yeah. This is some real stupid shit posted by people who haven't set foot in a public school or talked to an adolescent in decades.

2/27/2023 8:47:05 AM

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As qntmfred says, "They ALWAYS come back!"

So, welcome back!

2/27/2023 1:49:28 PM

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Please no

https://www.wral.com/it-s-time-for-me-to-stand-up-and-serve-nc-lt-gov-mark-robinson-says-about-2024-governor-s-race/20747124/

3/6/2023 10:06:35 AM

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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/mark-robinson-north-carolina-facebook

3/23/2023 8:02:31 AM

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https://www.wral.com/nc-senators-propose-eliminating-participation-trophies-for-youth-sports/20788234/

wtf? This is government?

3/30/2023 2:42:32 PM

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" Moffitt, a Republican who represents Henderson, Polk and Rutherford counties, also proposed legislation this session to allow Polk County to prohibit or restrict the use of skateboards on public streets in the county."


incredible

3/30/2023 3:02:40 PM

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and then there's this:

https://indyweek.com/news/northcarolina/nc-lawmakers-loosen-gun-laws-as-governors-veto-is-overriden/

3/30/2023 4:01:36 PM

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^

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"Republicans in the state House, along with a small number of Democrats, voted to allow people to bring guns to school campuses if they're there for church or another religious service when school isn't in session."

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"...with a number of caveats: It can only be a private school, not a public school"

src --> https://www.wral.com/nc-house-passes-bill-to-allow-guns-at-religious-services-held-on-school-grounds/20722419/

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"What if your student attends a school at a church? Can you legally carry your gun on that property? A fair reading of the statute would seem to indicate that you cannot do so. A trickier question is whether you can carry a firearm at a church that has a school in it at a time when school is not in session and religious services are going on. Again, given the broadness of the statute, in my opinion, you cannot do so. This answer would be the same for after-school programs, daycares, and education centers."

src --> https://www.uslawshield.com/escalation-school-zone-nc/

To be fair, the Indy Week article doesn't really elaborate or clarify enough on how specific this bill is. Of course if this were like allowing parents to carry guns when like coming in for a meeting with a teacher, that'd be absurd. From what I can see, it is focused on a very specific issue or confusion that people with permits may face. Whether it should specify a no to that or a yes, I am undecided as I lack on the ground knowledge on how this would work.

Typically I believe this would be Churches which also operate schools? Maybe I'm wrong there. But if that's the case from what I've mostly seen, then it makes sense. Plus given them being private, they would hold the right to ban guns from their property if they wanted to. If it is another case with like the school 'loaning out' for some other events, then I'd say it is dodgy. But I haven't read the bill in its exact text to note if it specifies in these cases.

This might've just been included to appeal to Democrats, but the money allocated for having "the state government engage in a two-year campaign encouraging safe storage of guns, hunter safety and suicide awareness." is a very good thing.
A lot of these accidental death/injury cases we see are a significant part of non-suicide deaths among kids.
This was recommended by the Child Fatality Task Force (legislative). I've quoted a section from their 2021 report on this below:
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"From 2010 to 2019, over 460 NC children age 17 and younger died from firearm-related injuries and firearms are used in almost half of youth suicides in NC; yet one NC survey showed 28% of parents keep firearms unlocked, and 2020 brought a surge in gun purchases which elevates the risk of even more guns in homes that are not safely stored."

If this bill had been vetoed and the Republicans lacked the legislative power to override it, I hope that they would've brought this part in specific at least. Or the Democrats, whoever. It is good.

[Edited on March 30, 2023 at 4:35 PM. Reason : --]

3/30/2023 4:34:03 PM

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^^^^

if this doesn't epitomize the stupidity of the culture war I don't know what does

average "small government" republican moment

3/30/2023 4:37:03 PM

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^^I wasn't even focused on the church-thing. Just the fact that they lifted the requirement to get a permit from the sheriff to purchase a pistol.

3/30/2023 4:43:25 PM

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^

Oh, my bad. I thought that wasn't part of it cause the article later mentioned the pistol repeal bill and said that they didn't try to override it in 2020 or 2021 and when they did mention it, it was as an "in addition" thing so I might've skimmed over and went to the WRAL article which mentioned it as something separate.
Nonetheless, to clarify, I wasn't trying to correct your view or anything like that.

Permits are a pretty interesting thing. I find this funny cause where Democrats would normally often bring racial lines into play, that isn't often done here. I think black people in NC are denied at 3x the rate? And where Republicans would normally never mention Jim Crow-esque laws and deny things like systemic racism, they would use racial lines here.
One of those perfect demonstrations of cherry picking, with black people being used in the process (there is a very unfortunate joke to make here). Or I suppose depending on how you view it, they are being oppressed in both the situations that Democrats and Republicans support/oppose them for.

This actually makes me wonder something kinda funny. I think state permits make you exempt to federal background checks, right? So if a state's enforcement in the process to get a permit was pretty lax on the ground (in a comically hypothetical way, not really realistic) (let's say your local sheriff helping out a buddy), would it not be in a way less secure to have permits than to not?

3/30/2023 5:07:37 PM

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So they're trying to lower the DUI limit to .05%. Will a stronger beer on an empty stomach get you over that?

4/3/2023 1:56:02 PM

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Why are they trying to do something to increase rather than decrease public safety? So inconsistent.

4/3/2023 7:26:37 PM

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"So they're trying to lower the DUI limit to .05%. Will a stronger beer on an empty stomach get you over that?"

https://alcohol.org/bac-calculator/
Says no.

4/3/2023 7:30:52 PM

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