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"Did not like ending, looked great in 3D, solid movie all around though."

liked the ending, 3D added absolutely nothing, and it was a great movie

12/20/2015 12:24:14 AM

Because no one reads the last post on a page:

Thank goodness internet nerds didn't exist when IV was released, the might have never been a full original trilogy. You people and your demand for exact science in a fictional world is beyond aggravating. In the fantasy genre, it's the people that matter most. The relationship between characters and how each one of them learns and grows throughout the course of the journey.This movie was no more and no less scientifically accurate than any of the previous 6. Get over it.

And for all of you complaining that it was a rehash...of course it was, and I loved it for that. None of you would have enjoyed Empire or Jedi without A New Hope, so new potential fans had to get into it the same way the old geezers did. These complaints are ONLY coming from the super fans for whom the throwbacks were intended. Folks who haven't been into Star Wars previously can now connect to the same plot devices, references, and jokes with everyone else, and that's a good thing.

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"where are all the ladies at?"

What surprised me most (not necessarily in a good or bad way) was the number of females with the first order. In the command room and especially within the storm trooper ranks. Not to mention the captain of all the troopers.

12/20/2015 12:24:54 AM

Did anyone else notice Luke was standing next to a grave at the end? Has to be Rey's mom, right?

12/20/2015 8:38:11 AM

#spoilers

Oh that would be interesting!

Anyone else notice Han coming out of the reckage of maz's bar blowing away 2 troopers then without looking swings his pistol almost 90 degrees to his right and blows away a 3rd?

Was that an attempt to make him a badass in a gun fight? If so it's not a good one. Even navy seals have to aim.

To me it seemed as if someone was guiding his hand. Either maz, luke, or ren.

All of Reys subtle hints of force sensitivity were in a similar vein. Almost nobody noticed it happening.

12/20/2015 9:58:27 AM

#spoilers, although if you need spoiler tags, why are you on page 7 of this thread?

-First, enjoyed the film.
-I figured going in Han Solo would die, because Harrison Ford's the one big name actor from the old crew. Mark Hamill never spoke, and Carrie Fisher had limited screen time, apparently Ford had to be worked on at first to commit, so imagine him pretty much being the focus of the old three stars was the way of him saying "I'll do it, but this is it, Han is dying", so they made him the main focus.
-"So Mark Hamill, we want you to grow out your beard and your hair, but you will not say a word the entire movie, and you'll only appear in the final scene."
-Rey I think is clearly Han and Leia's daughter/Kylo Ren's brother. (there's been discussion on this elsewhere) She has the Force in her, in Star Wars the main characters always come from humble beginnings but have important parentage (Anakin: no father, Luke: son of Darth Vader, Rey: daughter of ???), and she was clearly Han's equal on technical and flying the Millenium Falcon. She even looks like Leia.
-Speaking of which, the Millenium Falcon, that poor ship. :lol: "You're going to come out of hyper speed in the planet's atmosphere?"
-Finn's a good addition. Think that actor is maybe this generation's Han as far as not being Force-sensitive, getting by in sometimes humorous situations.
-They were really going for Nazi themes with the First Order's general's speech on high.
-Bad guy, Kylo Ren. Seriously, why leave your helmet off for main fight scene? You look menacing with it on. Without it you're some weaselly looking twentysomething. I think they were off a bit creating the bad guy.
-Surprised they didn't show Kylo Ren and other First Order personnel getting off the planet, like how they showed Darth Vader escaping the explosion of the Death Star.

[Edited on December 20, 2015 at 10:05 AM. Reason : /]

12/20/2015 10:03:33 AM

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""So Mark Hamill, we want you to grow out your beard and your hair, but you will not say a word the entire movie, and you'll only appear in the final scene." "

They also made him lose like 50 pounds

12/20/2015 10:23:59 AM

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"Did anyone else notice Luke was standing next to a grave at the end? Has to be Rey's mom, right?"

What about Vader?

Anakins lightsaber makes her see the island, kylo ren maybe isn't after Luke... But maybe the remains of Vader?

12/20/2015 11:49:28 AM

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"Finn's a good addition. Think that actor is maybe this generation's Han as far as not being Force-sensitive, getting by in sometimes humorous situations."

Poe Dameron is the new Han. Witty yet cocky pilot with a big mouth.

12/20/2015 12:02:55 PM

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"I think they were off a bit creating the bad guy."

It's 2015. I'll take a villain with some real character. It gives him room to move, something Vader didn't have outside of his payoff.

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"But maybe the remains of Vader?"

They burned Vader's body. The only thing to bury, should one choose, would be the remains of his suit. Ren has the helmet, and if Luke chose to bury the suit, I doubt he'd leave the helmet behind.

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""So Mark Hamill, we want you to grow out your beard and your hair, but you will not say a word the entire movie, and you'll only appear in the final scene.""

You say this like it's not the best thing in the whole movie. The film, while enjoyable, is 135 minutes of prologue, character introduction, and world-(re)building...and then we see LUKE FUCKING SKYWALKER and know that shit is going to get real in RIAN JOHNSON's Episode VIII.

12/20/2015 12:39:00 PM

Not to mention at this point Luke would be an auto-win for the resistance. They would have had to have someone far more formidable than Ren to start with if they were going to have skywalker be involved.

12/20/2015 1:56:24 PM

New thought

Luke is connected to Saber and can influence things and people around it. Potentially helping rey or unlocking her power.

12/20/2015 3:48:40 PM

I enjoyed the movie and thought it hit all the right notes. The fact that it’s more or less a remake of ANH didn’t really bother me, considering it washed the taste of the prequels out of my mouth.

I didn’t care for Kylo Ren. He’s just not intimidating without the helmet and the whole “smash everything when I’m mad” was lame, although it was funny when it happened later and the stormtroopers turned around. I also found the Leia/Han dialogue kind of hammy.

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"Luke's lightsaber just happened to be in an unlocked box, in an unlocked room, in the basement of a random bar?"

I thought that was an obvious setup by Maz Kanata. She “knows the Force” and probably knew Rey was meant to find Luke’s lightsaber. It obviously echoes the cave on Degobah. Maz put the saber there (and probably kept it safe until Rey arrived) and let the Force take it from there. As for how she got it, she’s the classic well-connected ‘underground’ person can acquire anything and everything. I’m sure there’s a tvtropes on this.

I’ll agree that Kylo Ren’s “teleport” is a plot hole (could’ve shown him on a shuttle or something) but I could give a fuck about how long it took a starship to reach different places. I’m sure they could’ve moved around all the various pieces until it made sense, but space travel has always been poorly defined in these movies. Space travel is instantaneous or takes awhile, depending on what’s convenient for the plot.

12/20/2015 5:03:43 PM

* Spoiler Bits and Speculation *




The only way things make sense is for Rey to be Kylo Ren's sister. It would complete the mystery of Han and Leia's other twin kid. It also allows them to go back and make the Thrawn Trilogy like they need to. If the aim is to make the Thrawn Trilogy, then the supposed "grave stone" that Luke is standing near could very well be that of Mara Jade.

12/20/2015 5:13:52 PM

"Other twin"? I don't remember them mention Han and Leia having any other children. I hope Rey isn’t directly related to the Skywalkers, because there’s enough family drama as it is without turning one sibling against the other.

12/20/2015 5:19:01 PM

By mystery I mean for folks who accept the events of the Thrawn Trilogy, and it's plausible since they have already revealed one character as being their kids.

12/20/2015 5:50:36 PM

The solo twins aren't canon

12/20/2015 5:53:12 PM

They didn't mention another kid in the movie but quite a bit of non-cannon literature mentions Jedi twin children of Han and Leia. I think if there was another kid Han or Leia would have mentioned it, or Leia bing force-sensitive herself would have known Rey when she first saw her and that connection would have been more heart-felt. They did have an emotional hug but I think it was just out of loosing Han.

I think she being Luke's daughter is more likely at this point, but who knows. I don't understand why all the Jedi have to be related now considering in the old republic they weren't supposed to have offspring.

12/20/2015 5:54:35 PM

i don't think its fair to say han and finn aren't force sensitive. They aren't skilled or trained in the force but the force is somehow in them. It doesn't mean they are actively using it but it translates into them being "lucky", hitting "lucky" shots and "lucky" narrow escapes. I'd even go as far as saying the force is strong in the falcon and chewy.

12/20/2015 7:51:11 PM

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"hat surprised me most (not necessarily in a good or bad way) was the number of females with the first order. In the command room and especially within the storm trooper ranks. Not to mention the captain of all the troopers."

I guess in the modern galaxy even the empire has to be PC! Wouldn't want the new order to be accused of racism and sexism. Not even the supreme leader wants to mess with the #BSTLM black storm troopers lives matters crowd! AM I RITE The E Man.

Seriously though according the SW canon the empire were supposed to be masocist racist with a clone army of whatever ethnicity jango fett was. Wonder if the female trooper captain and black storm trooper was some PC catering move by Disney.

12/20/2015 8:24:46 PM

Obviously it was important to make a course correcting statement that star wars is for people of all genders and racial backgrounds. Its success can be attribute partially to that blaring statement.

12/20/2015 8:54:26 PM

I was thinking at first Rey and Kylo had to be siblings, but the way Leia acted around Rey didn't indicate they were mother/daughter, and there were no mentions of another child. Given how Rey grew up on a desert planet, has amazing mechanic and pilot skills, etc I'm guessing she is Luke's daughter.

There are some interesting theories on Reddit that Kylo spared Rey's life at the slaughter of the Jedi apprentices by killing another Knight of Ren (the dude killed by Kylo in Rey's vision). Then someone drops her off on Jakku, maybe giving her some mild amnesia. When she encounters Kylo in TFA, her Jedi training as a very young girl starts to kick in, explaining why she knows how to do the Jedi Mind Trick, etc.

12/20/2015 10:59:09 PM

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"-Finn's a good addition. Think that actor is maybe this generation's Han as far as not being Force-sensitive, getting by in sometimes humorous situations."

I definitely think Finn is force sensitive. Not necessarily the offspring of anyone important, but force-sensitive folk show up every now and then. For one, he's the only stormtrooper in the history of ever that actually has been able to hit something with a blaster. He was also able to hold his own against Ren in a lightsaber duel (at least for a little while) without getting completely demolished. Finally he did mention how quickly he was getting the hang of the turrets on the TIE fighter and Falcon despite not knowing how to use them properly.

Sidenote about Ren going nuts and destroying stuff when he gets pissed. I think this may be his attempts at "keeping" in the dark side and embracing his anger. Jedi are clearly taught to remain at peace and never let their anger get ahold of them. Yet Ren himself mentioned to Snoke that the light side is tempting him and Snoke himself was skeptical that Ren was "evil enough" to do what needed to be done.

12/20/2015 11:05:07 PM

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"Seriously though according the SW canon the empire were supposed to be masocist racist with a clone army of whatever ethnicity jango fett was."

In the movie, Ren suggests that switching back to a clone force might be a preferable option to General Hux's stormtroopers. The First Order stormtroopers are indoctrinated from birth, but they're not the product of cloning or eugenics.

12/20/2015 11:13:49 PM

So many people complaining about her picking up the light saber and fighting Kylo. Ignoring the theories on her past which might be true, she clearly has weapons training based on her staff fighting earlier in the movie. And she was fighting someone who took a cross-bolt laser to the chest. Plenty of opportunity to hold her own, even without the force (see General Grievous as a non-force user fighting with light sabers).

You might have a case regarding Finn's fighting, but we know he is unique in some ways, and I would like to see them tell that story.

12/21/2015 12:05:55 AM

YOU READ IT HERE FIRST: Rey is a clone of Obi-Wan Kenobi. Take that to the bank.

12/21/2015 6:58:49 AM

The force is in everyone. How does the main concept of the framchise get twisted by so many people

12/21/2015 7:28:13 AM

leave it to jibbles to be the guy crying about plot holes in a fucking star wars movie. christ, do you also cry about how vader interrogated his daughter via torture in a new hope but had no clue who the fuck she really was? or that despite the fact luke was in hiding to protect him from his sith lord father, he still ran around with the goddamn last name of "skywalker." or that they let an escape pod get away because they couldn't find any life forms on it? because the cost of the one shot from a cannon that could have been used to blow it up and thus prevent the entire collapse of the empire wasn't in the fucking training allotment that year?

BUT AT LEAST THEY GOT THEORETICAL FTL TRAVEL RIGHT

and I'm sick of everyone saying "on another death star how dumb"

yes, because when you've made a weapon that is capable of blowing up entire planets, you just stop using that technology when the first couple get destroyed.

it would be like richard gatling saying "well I made this awesome gun that can mow down entire platoons of people at once but I had a couple of barrels blow up and kill the operators, so let's just go back to muzzle loaded rifles"

FUCK ALL OF YOU AND ENJOY A GODDAMN MOVIE FOR ONCE

[Edited on December 21, 2015 at 9:09 AM. Reason : .]

12/21/2015 9:09:03 AM

^ Thank you.

12/21/2015 9:13:25 AM

Saw this last night and after reading through the thread glad to see I wasn't the only one who left feeling like I had just watched a mashup of the original 3 movies. Part of me appreciates knowing they are giving a new generation a good review of the whole series and the other part of me is disappointed because I was expecting something different and new.

I really liked how the wove the older characters into the film to tie the two together, I just wish the plot hadn't also been a rehash. It made the movie predictable where you never got one of those moments like when you found out Vader was Luke's father. I thought they could have waited on revealing Han was Kylo Ren's father until the scene on the bridge despite that being again a near rehash of the older films. Knowing from early in the movie that he was his father took any whoa moments away really.

I agree with others that Ren was much better with his mask on. He didn't seem menacing at all as soon as you saw his face. The fact that he wasn't able to easily take care of Rey and especially Finn in a light-sabre battle either plays on the fact that he is still very weak or that Rey and Finn are much stronger than you think. I, too, was a bit confused at how Rey was so quickly able to start using the force for things like the mind trick and to resist Ren without any training. I have to assume they will touch on this later, but this movie points to either she is a complete badass way better than Luke ever was, or Ren is extremely weak right now and the supreme leader realized he needs more training after all of that.

I assume Rey is either Luke's daughter or she trained with him, along with Ren, and they were able to get her out of there before Ren could kill her. I dont believe she is Han's daughter, as I cant imagine one of them not telling her or acting differently around her, if that were the case. In fact, if she is Luke's daughter, I dont believe they even know that.

Overall the movie was good even if it was a bit disappointing from a plot perspective. If you are new to the series I would imagine this movie was great, but if you have seen the original 3 dozens of times it just felt like once you saw where they were going with the plot you knew exactly how the movie was gonna go and it kinda felt like going through the motions. Hopefully it was just made as a segway type movie and there will be a lot of original thinking in the ones going forward.

12/21/2015 9:35:50 AM

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"you never got one of those moments like when you found out Vader was Luke's father."

what was that moment in A New Hope?

12/21/2015 9:38:28 AM

It seems pretty obvious that she is connected to luke. She had been waiting for someone who disappeared. Luke also disappeared.

Theres no way the the Resistance would send her alone to find luke unless leia knew she was connected to him in a very strong way. Perhaps he is the person or they are both connected to the person in the grave whom she was waiting for.

Also the force les her straight to lukes location without effort..

She cant be connected to kylo because he didnt recognize her.

[Edited on December 21, 2015 at 9:52 AM. Reason : Alright]

12/21/2015 9:52:00 AM

she had the fucking map dude

what the fuck movie were you even watching

[Edited on December 21, 2015 at 9:52 AM. Reason : seriously]

12/21/2015 9:52:37 AM

lol

12/21/2015 9:57:29 AM

That doesnt explain why the resistance would leave their most important mission in her hands all alone. Why would no one else go? Somethings way off. If shes not connected to him then its probably something leia knows is a trap. If not luke, it Would be a cool twist to find out that the resistance is evil or maybe rey is from evil and they know it.

12/21/2015 10:14:06 AM

it also doesn't explain why all the fighter pilots in Gold Squadron - the ones who were supposed to be the elite fighter pilots in the rebel alliance - turned out to be shitty, borderline incompetent pilots at the end of A New Hope and their backups had to bail them and blow up the Death Star

IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE JUST ENJOY IT

[Edited on December 21, 2015 at 10:19 AM. Reason : .]

12/21/2015 10:18:58 AM

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"That doesnt explain why the resistance would leave their most important mission in her hands all alone. Why would no one else go? Somethings way off. If shes not connected to him then its probably something leia knows is a trap. If not luke, it Would be a cool twist to find out that the resistance is evil or maybe rey is from evil and they know it. "

Perhaps its because there is a reason Luke vanished. He wasnt looking or wanting to be found. If they send a bunch of people after him chances are he will just move on and keep running. Sending a single person who is somehow connected to him to speak with him and return his light sabre seems like the smarter idea.

12/21/2015 10:22:06 AM

bruh she did not go anywhere alone, she went with chewbacca and bb-8, literally what the fuck movie were you watching

12/21/2015 10:23:48 AM

You continue to avoid the issue and play semantics. No one from the resistance went with her. Yes the droid was from the resistance but it seems like they wouldve sent someone who knew luke.

12/21/2015 10:26:18 AM

Did the map have a map of the planet as well? It may have and either we just didn't see it or we saw it and I forgot.

But if not that's one of my pet peeves of sci-fi. Yes planets are small relative to space, but planets are still really damn big

12/21/2015 10:27:47 AM

BRUH CHEWBACCA KNOWS LUKE WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

YOU THINK LEIA AIN'T TRUSTING CHEWBACCA

FUCK A MAP TO THE PLANET LUKE'S ON, I NEED A MAP TO WHAT PLANET YOU ARE ON

12/21/2015 10:38:29 AM

Its not the real chewbacca its jar jar dressed up as chewbacca clearly!

[Edited on December 21, 2015 at 10:43 AM. Reason : c]

12/21/2015 10:43:30 AM

You keep talking about watching the movie then making semantic arguments. The movie made it clear that chewy/han were not part of the resistance.

12/21/2015 11:02:17 AM

***Obligatory Spoiler Alert***


Likes:
- Jokes and comedic relief were on point.
- Nostalgia overload was satisfying.
- Great special effects. Especially, the use of the force and the light saber battle. Raw, realistic (if light sabers were real), and intense.

Dislikes:
- Timing? Takes the "death star version 3.0" just a few minutes to charge, but the sequences leading up to it's full charge state felt like hours. Felt like the entire movie and all the interstellar travel in between just took a few days. Maybe I'm so used to Hollywood movies getting drawn out into oblivion?

- Size of the universe? Planets get blown up in far away galaxies and a few minutes later you can see the explosion in the sky? Luke is far off in some distant unknown/uncharted part of the galaxy, but in the end finding him was as simple as hitting the warp button? I could probably reason it all away, but at face-value the universe just felt really small.


Seeing it for a the second time this coming week, maybe my opinions will change.

12/21/2015 11:03:17 AM

OH I DON'T KNOW MAYBE THEY SENT HER BECAUSE LUKE'S FUCKING LIGHTSABER TALKED TO HER AFTER SITTING DORMANT FOR THIRTY SOMETHING YEARS

it must suck to be so fucking miserable in life this is the shit you spend your time on

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" Luke is far off in some distant unknown/uncharted part of the galaxy, but in the end finding him was as simple as hitting the warp button"

THEY

HAD

THE

FUCKING

MAP

IF I WAS ORDERED TO GO SOMEWHERE I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE FUCK IT WAS, AND THEN SOMEONE GAVE ME A MAP AND A PLANE THAT COULD GET THERE DIRECTLY, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE HARD FOR ME TO THEN GET THERE DIRECTLY?

DID YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE TO STOP AT A TURNPIKE REST STOP TO GET SOME FUCKING ROY ROGERS AND FILL ER UP?

[Edited on December 21, 2015 at 12:21 PM. Reason : FUCK ALL YOU MISERABLE SHITS]

12/21/2015 12:15:14 PM

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"Did the map have a map of the planet as well? It may have and either we just didn't see it or we saw it and I forgot. But if not that's one of my pet peeves of sci-fi. Yes planets are small relative to space, but planets are still really damn big "

What's weirder is that they have life signs detectors (and the force) so presumably they can know where Luke is, but it looks like they still chose to trek up the mountain to him anyway...

Maybe they have planetary protection protocols that prevent them from just landing wherever...

12/21/2015 12:34:46 PM

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"THEY HAD THE FUCKING MAP"

A map that conveniently appeared right at the end so that they could leave us on a cliff-hanger.


"All-caps is the path to the dark side…all-caps leads to hate, hate leads to trolling, trolling leads to no one liking you on TWW."

12/21/2015 12:51:35 PM

True love's kiss was the only way to awaken R2D2 from "low power mode"

Episode VII The Droid Awakens

[Edited on December 21, 2015 at 12:54 PM. Reason : .]

12/21/2015 12:54:03 PM

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"bruh she did not go anywhere alone, she went with chewbacca and bb-8, literally what the fuck movie were you watching"

Pretty sure BB-8 stayed with Poe (his actual "master" in the slavery system that is droid ownership). R2-D2 went with Rey and Chewbacca, giving Luke another ally he can trust when a girl who doesn't know (or at least doesn't recognize right away) shows up.

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"A map that conveniently appeared right at the end so that they could leave us on a cliff-hanger."

The map is a mcguffin. R2-D2 woke up because Luke was ready to be found. Why would Luke even leave a map in the first place if he never wanted anyone to follow him? He set the whole thing up to be located at the right time. The real search wasn't for the map, it was for the new potential light-filled Jedi (Rey) to become force-aware (or...AWAKENED?) because Luke knows he can't fight this battle on his own.

12/21/2015 1:30:43 PM

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"it also doesn't explain why all the fighter pilots in Gold Squadron - the ones who were supposed to be the elite fighter pilots in the rebel alliance - turned out to be shitty, borderline incompetent pilots at the end of A New Hope and their backups had to bail them and blow up the Death Star"

Gold Squadron are not the best pilots; it's just a name. Their ships have gold stripes. They do the first bombing run because the Y-Wings are better suited to bombing. Red Squadron's X-Wings provide cover not because their pilots are better, but because their ships are more maneuverable and possess four cannons instead of two.

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"What's weirder is that they have life signs detectors (and the force) so presumably they can know where Luke is, but it looks like they still chose to trek up the mountain to him anyway..."

The top of that mountain was tiny. Ain't no room to land a damn YT-1300 up there.

[Edited on December 21, 2015 at 1:51 PM. Reason : 3]

12/21/2015 1:49:30 PM

Plus, if that was the site of the first Jedi Temple, that's some holy ground. Can't be landing a spaceship on it.

12/21/2015 2:02:19 PM