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One of the leading psychologists at Johns Hopkins University has declared transgenderism as a mental disease, and notes that actions such as those that Vanity Fair (and the far left in general) has taken is only enabling these people rather than getting them the proper help and counseling they need. He also notes that suicide rates among those that have gone through with actual reassignment surgery are much higher than those who simply cross-dress.

And since I'm a Republican, and the T is 1/4 of the LGBT moniker, I feel like I have to state that I have no problem whatsoever with the L and the G, but we are really taking the T too far. Requiring schools to have gender-neutral bathrooms? Come on now. Next step is to toss out gender-specific bathrooms altogether.

6/2/2015 2:24:24 PM

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So you are saying they kill themselves when they realize "transforming" doesn't stop them from having bad thoughts about themselves. In other news treating symptoms doesn't cure the disease.

6/2/2015 2:28:07 PM

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Are there really any "cures" for mental diseases? Sure there's all kinds of medications, but as soon as you go off of them, they're back.

6/2/2015 2:32:09 PM

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"Can't believe Stuart Scott didn't win this posthumously. Took a lot more courage to battle cancer as long as he did than it did for a multi-millionaire with an identity crisis to buy his way out of it. "


Stuart Scott won the Jimmy V award last year, and gave an emotional speech that is unforgettable to those who actually watched

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"One of the leading psychologists at Johns Hopkins University has declared transgenderism as a mental disease, and notes that actions such as those that Vanity Fair (and the far left in general) has taken is only enabling these people rather than getting them the proper help and counseling they need. He also notes that suicide rates among those that have gone through with actual reassignment surgery are much higher than those who simply cross-dress."


so one guy vs. an entire field?

[Edited on June 2, 2015 at 2:35 PM. Reason : .]

6/2/2015 2:33:27 PM

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^^True, but "transforming" into a woman is not the cure. And should not be celebrated as someone being brave.

6/2/2015 2:35:43 PM

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Growing up, I always felt like someone who didn't fit in to normal society. That's right, I might have appeared as a straight white law-abiding male citizen, but I always knew something was off. I didn't think I should have to pay taxes. Please, Hillary '16, support my life choice.

6/2/2015 2:49:00 PM

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I grew up thinking I was white, drooling over white women, going to NASCAR races, and playing fetch with my black lab.

I guess I need to get bleached.

6/2/2015 2:53:28 PM

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6/2/2015 3:05:40 PM

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"One of the leading psychologists at Johns Hopkins University has declared transgenderism as a mental disease..."

What is their name, and in what context?

http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx
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"A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder.""

6/2/2015 3:06:58 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._McHugh

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

6/2/2015 3:12:41 PM

rjrumfel
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Transgender people can't deal with the reality (and biology) they've been given. Therefore many of them they make up a new reality (and biology) for themselves.

Schizos also can't deal with the reality they've been given. Therefore many of them make up a new reality for themselves.

One of those above, society for the most part thinks is ok, the other, we medicate and in severe cases lock up.

6/2/2015 3:18:57 PM

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/06/16/the_wall_street_journal_displays_shocking_ignorance_about_lgbtq_issues.html

http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/wall-street-journal-runs-op-ed-from-longtime-anti-trans-psychiatrist-paul-m

6/2/2015 3:19:11 PM

rjrumfel
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Ok so we have two opposing views. Big whoop.

6/2/2015 3:22:31 PM

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Psychoanalysts ITT


Where is lewisje when we need him?

6/2/2015 3:22:54 PM

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^^ except did you read about the guy who's position you are supporting?

6/2/2015 3:29:07 PM

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"Transgender people can't deal with the reality (and biology) they've been given. Therefore many of them they make up a new reality (and biology) for themselves.

Schizos also can't deal with the reality they've been given. Therefore many of them make up a new reality for themselves.

One of those above, society for the most part thinks is ok, the other, we medicate and in severe cases lock up."


just curious: where'd you get your phd from?

6/2/2015 4:03:01 PM

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^^Yes, but it still doesn't change my position that you need to use the bathroom for which your equipment is slated. You're a transgender person and you have a penis? Use the men's bathroom until such a time that your penis is biological waste in a dumpster somewhere.

You're a transgender person and you have a vagina? use the women's bathroom until such a time that you have a flap of skin, muscle and nerves that somehow vouches for a penis. (Full disclosure here, I have no idea how that surgery works. I could look it up but I don't want to.)

That is probably my biggest issue here - you have an extremely small segment of our society trying to dictate how everyone else should use the bathroom. Sounds ridiculous, but it has real world stupid attached to it:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/07/living/feat-planet-fitness-transgender-member/

Woman is concerned that a man is in her locker room, complains about it, gets membership revoked.

^Stanford And what the fuck does it matter where it came from. If I had a phd and my opinion was different than yours, you'd still call me a bigot.

[Edited on June 2, 2015 at 4:06 PM. Reason : West Coast what]

[Edited on June 2, 2015 at 4:08 PM. Reason : Edit 2]

6/2/2015 4:06:06 PM

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where did I call you a bigot?

an entire field has deemed Transgendered people to not have a mental illness, and you come in here acting like you know what you're talking about (while also posting an opinion of someone who has been discredited)

6/2/2015 4:12:50 PM

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"an entire field has deemed Transgendered people to not have a mental illness"


Due to years of political pressure from the LGBT brigade. Remember, it was considered a mental disorder before it wasn't. And honestly, it is. It's a disconnect between a person's physical reality and how they perceive themselves. Ergo, something's not quite right mentally. Not something huge, but something.

6/2/2015 4:28:42 PM

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"Remember, it was considered a mental disorder before it wasn't."


and?

it's not like these things are cyclical. are you going to argue that scientific research in multiple fields isn't getting vastly better? that's kind of how society goes.

6/2/2015 4:32:13 PM

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"it's not like these things are cyclical. are you going to argue that scientific research in multiple fields isn't getting vastly better? that's kind of how society goes."


You also have to understand that public sentiment has played a role in how certain mental disorders are classified (and by that I mean, no longer considered mental disorders). Why is it if I genuinely believed that I'm a T-Rex that I'd be considered to have a mental disorder but not if I genuinely believed that I'm a woman? Both are equally at odds with my physical reality.

6/2/2015 4:38:01 PM

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/02/politics/mike-huckabee-transgender-caitlyn-jenner/index.html

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"If he "could have felt like a woman," the Republican former Arkansas governor joked earlier this year, then he could have seen his female classmates without their clothes on.

"Now I wish that someone told me that when I was in high school that I could have felt like a woman when it came time to take showers in PE," Huckabee said.

"I'm pretty sure that I would have found my feminine side and said, 'Coach, I think I'd rather shower with the girls today.' You're laughing because it sounds so ridiculous doesn't it?""


imo, if someone with a penis wants to be a girl, or someone with a vagina wants to be a boy, that's fine, whatever, do what you want. but i do think that something's a little off in their head. and if you've got a penis, you shouldn't use the women's restroom/lockeroom (and vice vera), especially when we're talking elementary or junior high kids.

6/2/2015 4:40:00 PM

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"Why is it if I genuinely believed that I'm a T-Rex that I'd be considered to have a mental disorder but not if I genuinely believed that I'm a woman? Both are equally at odds with my physical reality."


would you consider a T-Rex to be a human being?

6/2/2015 4:43:55 PM

xienze
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Oh that's how you're gonna argue it, fine. Substitute baby for T-rex.

6/2/2015 4:45:18 PM

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^^^ yeah, because what Huckabee is suggesting is exactly what's happening when a trans person goes thru all the torment and ridicule they face to use a certain bathroom or locker room

There is no way what Huckabee said is in any way some kind of valid input in the discussion.

[Edited on June 2, 2015 at 4:46 PM. Reason : ^]

6/2/2015 4:46:08 PM

thegoodlife3
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^^ you're the one throwing around ridiculous hypotheticals

6/2/2015 4:49:56 PM

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yeah, i wasn't posting huckabee's response as some sort of valid input.

this reminds me of the Blood Hound Gang song "I wish I Was Queer (so I could get chicks)"

6/2/2015 4:52:31 PM

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No, my point is that me thinking I'm a baby or me thinking I'm a woman are both equally at odds with my physical reality. Yet one of those is considered a mental disorder and the other isn't. Why?

[Edited on June 2, 2015 at 4:53 PM. Reason : I know the answer to this, just wanting to see the mental gymnastics]

6/2/2015 4:53:02 PM

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So I get to pull my dick out in bathrooms in front of women now...and that's a problem?

6/2/2015 4:57:05 PM

thegoodlife3
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^^ the mental capacity of a baby vs. the mental capacity of an adult

they aren't comparable

6/2/2015 5:01:37 PM

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"imo, if someone with a penis wants to be a girl, or someone with a vagina wants to be a boy, that's fine, whatever, do what you want. but i do think that something's a little off in their head. and if you've got a penis, you shouldn't use the women's restroom/lockeroom (and vice vera), especially when we're talking elementary or junior high kids."


This is my whole point here. If you were born a male and want to be female, there's something wrong sure, but go ahead and do what you want. As long as you don't come into the bathroom at a school my daughter attends.

6/2/2015 6:06:16 PM

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"I grew up thinking I was white, drooling over white women, going to NASCAR races, and playing fetch with my black lab.

I guess I need to get bleached."


this.

also, I don't identify with the penis I was born with...I feel like my "real" penis is a lot bigger. so I want to get penis corrective surgery, and have it covered by insurance and paid for by people with bigger penises than me.

6/2/2015 6:06:20 PM

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All this talk about who pisses in what bathroom is hilarious. So your daughters see a dick. So what. Trust me it won't be the only one she sees.

6/2/2015 6:30:37 PM

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"This is my whole point here. If you were born a male and want to be female, there's something wrong sure, but go ahead and do what you want. As long as you don't come into the bathroom at a school my daughter attends."


you've got a hell of a funny way of going about proving your point, by bringing up ridiculousness that got dismissed as such immediately

6/2/2015 6:33:37 PM

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I'd like to thank this thread for reminding me why I stopped visiting the pit of hostile ignorant despair that is tww for a while.

6/2/2015 6:37:01 PM

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I think that we should be more understanding of others' lifestyles.

What is that saying?
Every single person you see is fighting a battle inside that you know nothing about.

6/2/2015 7:17:36 PM

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I'm Batman.

[Edited on June 2, 2015 at 8:27 PM. Reason : .]

6/2/2015 8:27:22 PM

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no fucks given

6/2/2015 9:00:42 PM

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Does anyone in this thread know what a women's bathroom look like? This, it looks like this:



I have no idea how you can see a penis through a metal door. Can we shut up about who uses what bathroom now?

6/2/2015 10:02:23 PM

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""Now I wish that someone told me that when I was in high school that I could have felt like a woman when it came time to take showers in PE," Huckabee said.

"I'm pretty sure that I would have found my feminine side and said, 'Coach, I think I'd rather shower with the girls today.' You're laughing because it sounds so ridiculous doesn't it?""


6/2/2015 10:02:29 PM

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Transjenner

6/2/2015 10:24:22 PM

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"I have no idea how you can see a penis through a metal door"


gloryhole.jpg

6/2/2015 11:24:33 PM

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/lauren-hill-more-deserving-of-espy-than-caitlyn-jenner-fans/ar-BBkAEr5

6/2/2015 11:45:59 PM

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"All this talk about who pisses in what bathroom is hilarious."


You ever tried taking a shit with 5 trannies staring at you?

6/3/2015 1:39:47 AM

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"Are there really any "cures" for mental diseases?"


mental disorders...

6/3/2015 2:57:47 AM

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6/3/2015 9:50:44 AM

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Both Married with Children and Family Guy called it well in advance.

6/3/2015 11:48:12 AM

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let bruce bruce hit it

6/3/2015 11:49:46 AM

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who gives a fuck what anyone does, really

its been demonstrated over and over that people without exposure to other races, sexual identities, and groups of people in general tend to be more intolerant of those groups. if y'all knew a transgender person, youd probably change your tone.

live and let live, twwurdburglars

[Edited on June 3, 2015 at 12:31 PM. Reason : .]

6/3/2015 12:30:32 PM

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^Whats your excuse for slave owners and slaves?

Here's how I look at this. If you have a black child that thought of themselves as white and decided to be white would would the public's opinion be?

Being gay isn't a choice, being a tranny is, so he gets no sympathy.



6/3/2015 1:09:44 PM

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