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BubbleBobble
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synapse going HAM ITT

7/16/2015 4:59:31 PM

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"BTW I was talking to my sister last night. She is pretty liberal and about as PC as you can get. This summer she is working as a pool inspector for the city of Baltimore ensuring pools are meeting health/safety code. This past week she mentioned she was very uncomfortable while visiting several communities/apartments within inner city Baltimore. Does this make her racist?
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It depends why she was uncomfortable. Just because someone is liberal and "PC" doesn't mean they can't be racist o.O

7/16/2015 5:09:13 PM

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the sketchy as shit parts of Baltimore I've worked around didn't have many pools.

7/16/2015 5:55:29 PM

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Pools?!?! In Baltimore???

Lies

7/16/2015 6:06:23 PM

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Hey HUR, hope you're looking forward to having that shit posted in every thread I see you in.

7/16/2015 6:25:21 PM

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haha go for it. It really entertains me on how worked up you get.



[Edited on July 16, 2015 at 6:29 PM. Reason : d]

7/16/2015 6:27:47 PM

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Holy shit, fuck everyone.

This shit about Honda is the one thing that's very, very clearly wrong and illegal.

We don't need two pages for it, and we don't need to out HUR as a racist.

It's numbers on paper. It's the easiest thing to handle. There are no cultural "misunderstandings" or any such bullshit confusions.

It's numbers on paper.

7/16/2015 6:43:58 PM

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moron is the type of guy that would walk through the slums of baltimore at midnight just to prove he wasn't a racist

7/16/2015 6:51:11 PM

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""Blacks are poorer because of blatant racism by society and the government""


lol, no. This is 2015.

Poor people are poor, and remain poor, because the culture of "the hood" is one that generates fatherless families, devalues education, celebrates violence and crime, and perpetuates the belief that the only way out of poverty is through rap or sports.

This is the main reason you have a cycle of poverty in places like Baltimore.

This is why people get defensive when you say "privilege" because they see, in reality, "choices" are what continue the cycle of poverty. Poverty that the taxes of all hard-working members of each race pay to correct through welfare.

Obviously systematic racism (and by extension, white privilege) exists, but I think it is slowly getting better. Many corporations are focusing on diversity, and through that and affirmative action, I think America may be a 100% fair place for all races eventually, hopefully in our lifetimes.

7/16/2015 11:54:06 PM

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" Obviously systematic racism (and by extension, white privilege) exists, but I think it is slowly getting better"


You do realize that these are both agents of government and society? Your entire post is self-contradictory.

7/16/2015 11:56:02 PM

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Stating that systematic racism and white privilege exists =/= saying government is the sole reason poor minorities are poor.

7/17/2015 12:06:29 AM

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the original article didn't give too many details. where was the extra "black tax" added? higher interest? different loan structure? car "add-on's" like undercarriage coatings and whatnot they sell you?

7/17/2015 12:12:41 AM

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^^
No one said "sole". You're pretty good at constructing an idea no one is making, then attacking that idea.

As HUR pointed out, racial poverty is a Feedback loop started by racism, and continues to be fed by racism. If you agree that the things that created this system still exist, then it didn't be hard to see that we'll never break the cycle without fully addressing those things.

7/17/2015 12:18:59 AM

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7/17/2015 12:20:55 AM

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"Poor people are poor, and remain poor, because the culture of "the hood" is one that generates fatherless families, devalues education, celebrates violence and crime, and perpetuates the belief that the only way out of poverty is through rap or sports.

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Obviously systematic racism (and by extension, white privilege) exists, but I think it is slowly getting better."


Yeah you can't have it both ways. HUR tries to pull this same shit and fails just as miserably.

7/17/2015 12:30:28 AM

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Those 2 things are in no way exclusive

7/17/2015 12:41:43 AM

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The first statement is pretty definitive dummy.

7/17/2015 1:30:08 AM

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If you throw the word "some" in front of the first one, and deny that it's true, you're pretty naive and or ignorant.

And that has nothing to do with the fact that systemic racism is getting better. Are black people still being sprayed by fire hoses on a regular basis? How is pointing out that things have gotten better, but still aren't optimal, and also acknowledging that there is a peer pressure crabs-in-a-bucket issue within some of the poor black communities, something contradictory? Or are you just arguing semantics as usual?

[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 1:38 AM. Reason : .]

7/17/2015 1:34:50 AM

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"If you throw the word "some" in front of the first one..."


Except that word wasn't there, but good try all the same, I guess?

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"Are black people still being sprayed by fire hoses on a regular basis"


Praise Jebus Racism is over.

7/17/2015 2:14:27 AM

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"Poor people are poor, and remain poor, because the culture of "the hood" is one that generates fatherless families, devalues education, celebrates violence and crime, and perpetuates the belief that the only way out of poverty is through rap or sports."


This might be the smartest guy on TWW!!!!!!

synapse Al sharpton called. He wants you to get on a plane and come to NYC to suck on his big fat chode while begging for forgiveness for 200 years of oppression of black people. Oppression that continues today by the evil mean white aristocracy that has forced countless blacks to live the hood life, while secretly hoping to give the police excuse to put them in prison ensuring that they can't marry their daughters/sisters.

Yeah come suck my dick toowhile at it synapse you pussy mother fucker

7/17/2015 3:15:01 AM

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I think we should all just be proud that we spelled "privilege" correctly.

It's a tough one for the Internet, y'all.

7/17/2015 4:13:33 AM

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*The incoherent ramblings of a drunk racist shitbag*

7/17/2015 8:45:37 AM

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"No one said "sole". You're pretty good at constructing an idea no one is making, then attacking that idea."


You're pretty good at trying to dodge my point by pointing out irrelevant semantics. "sole" doesn't change your flawed causality statement nor my argument against it.

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"Yeah you can't have it both ways"


Oh but I can and I will. "Hood culture" and systematic racism are two different problems, in no way mutually exclusive.

Hood culture is by far the bigger problem if we are talking about why "Blacks are poorer". It's also the thing that needs to change first before progress is made, because as stated, it is what cyclically fuels systematic racism. As I said earlier, this why people get defensive when you say "privilege" because they see, in reality, "choices" are what continue the cycle of poverty.

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"I think we should all just be proud that we spelled "privilege" correctly."


I had to spell check my white privilege lol

[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 10:26 AM. Reason : .]

7/17/2015 10:25:56 AM

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"Hood culture is by far the bigger problem if we are talking about why "Blacks are poorer". "


yeah we can have Affirmitive Action galore and hand out welfare like candy to assist the needy poor minorities. As long as [I]Hood Culture[/I] though continues to be idolized by sizeable chunk of the African American community and going to school or getting a normal job is considered "acting white"; we will continue to fuel racial tensions and those in the hood will play victim of the "system" when in reality they aren't exactly trying to improve their life status.

While there are issues with latino gangs in some areas there really isn't any equivalent to "hood culture" among any other racial groups in the US. Yet folks wonder why this group is "unfairly" targeted by the police and always seems to be the victim of systemic biasness. Sometimes this biasness is practical. Such as I know better than walking around S. Blount street after dark.

[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 12:21 PM. Reason : a]

7/17/2015 12:01:56 PM

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"Hood culture is by far the bigger problem if we are talking about why "Blacks are poorer". It's also the thing that needs to change first before progress is made, because as stated, it is what cyclically fuels systematic racism."


so "hood culture" is arresting and imprisoning black people at much higher rates than white people? especially for drug offenses, even though the usage rate for both black people and white people is the same?

7/17/2015 12:11:41 PM

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"so "hood culture" is arresting and imprisoning black people at much higher rates than white people? especially for drug offenses, even though the usage rate for both black people and white people is the same?"


No, thegoodlife3, what you described is systematic racism.

"Hood culture" (The main cause of why "Blacks are poorer") is:
Fatherless families
http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/36,868,867,133,38/10,168,9,12,1,13,185/432,431
Devalued Education
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-high-school-graduation-rates-by-race-ethnicity.html

7/17/2015 12:36:01 PM

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and where do you think a fair amount of those fathers are?

7/17/2015 12:42:18 PM

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"is arresting and imprisoning black people at much higher rates than white people? especially for drug offenses, even though the usage rate for both black people and white people is the same?"


While you bring up a good point I think a lot of this is a side-effect of many of these African-American communities tending to be higher crime areas.
The police often have to maintain a higher presence due to more serious criminal activities and as an effect if they see a young man smoking a blunt on the side of the road they can't just ignore the person. They have due their jobs (even though I think drug use should be decriminalized).

Sure there are plenty of white kids smoking blunts in the traditionally white areas. However, the police do not have to maintain as high of a presence in areas like North Lake thus are less likely to catch people in these areas committing these petty crimes. If the police didn’t maintain this presence in traditionally "higher crime areas" there would be bitching about discrimination about not getting equal policing when drug dealers start are dealing next to the playground and/or a kid gets caught in the cross-fire of inter-gang violence.

7/17/2015 12:58:05 PM

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"and where do you think a fair amount of those fathers are?"


Probably all shot dead by racist white cops, right?

[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 1:00 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2015 12:59:46 PM

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^^that's probably true, to some extent, but it's also a lot of speculation.

^funny joke man . the answer is prison.

[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 1:01 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2015 1:00:16 PM

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I agree systematic racism contributes to the cycle of poverty. My point was that this:

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"""Blacks are poorer because of blatant racism by society and the government"""


Is not the case.

7/17/2015 2:01:00 PM

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except that it is

you can't magically undo multiple generations of codified discrimination in 50 years, and even in that 50 year window, housing discrimination has been rampant

it is literally the root cause of why African American neighborhoods are still poorer than most

7/17/2015 2:08:56 PM

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Don't worry about that, our great government is coming up with a plan to undo the housing discrimination. Wonder how many of these liberals are going to be singing the same tune when subsidized housing gets built next door to their own posh houses with their subarus in the driveway.

You get what you ask for.

7/17/2015 2:17:09 PM

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^^^
Look at this
http://datatools.urban.org/Features/wealth-inequality-charts/img/WealthByRace-med.jpg

Do you really think in 1963, it wasn't society and government responsible for that level of wealth for the black community? That blacks put themselves in that position? Of course it was, pretty much no one disputes this.

Now explain to me how you think the line for blacks would come close to reaching the line for whites, when blacks started with practically nothing compared to whites, and every attempt to help the black community is fought bitterly by half the country? What you're saying is that over these span of 30 years, every white person should have been able to grow their assets to $500,000 and the only reason they didn't as a community, is because they're lazy and incompetent.

I drew this red line in to demonstrate what you think magically should have happened, and the only reason it didn't is because blacks aren't trying hard enough:



[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2015 2:35:56 PM

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you know what the easiest way to build wealth is? To have wealth to start with (i.e., "the rich get richer". Know what the single biggest builder of wealth is? Home ownership. Know how many Af. Americans had the opportunity to own homes previous to the Fair Housing Act of 1968? Little to none. That was less than 50 years ago (one generation).

So how exactly were they supposed to catch up to whites in the last 40 years? Through winning the lottery? Working hard and taking advantage of "opportunities" to save 90% of their meager paychecks to save up?

How many Caucasians here had parents go to college? 80%? How many had grandparents go to college? 50-60%? How many Af. Americans were able to attend college prior to the civil rights act? Very few. So what kinds of jobs could these people get? Menial labor, janitorial, contruction, etc. Know how hard it is to grow wealth on minimum wage?

So why are Af. Americans disproportionately stuck in poor/urban neighborhoods with high crime? Because its incredibly difficult to get out without any sort of wealth. And with poor work opportunities because they cant afford college/trade schools they get caught up in the methods of making fast money (drugs and robbery).



[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 4:25 PM. Reason : head in the fucking sand]

7/17/2015 4:20:53 PM

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"Do you really think in 1963, it wasn't society and government responsible for that level of wealth for the black community?"


I'm not talking about 1963, I'm talking about present day.

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"What you're saying is that over these span of 30 years, every white person should have been able to grow their assets to $500,000 and the only reason they didn't as a community, is because they're lazy and incompetent."


I didn't say that, but you can build a Straw man to debate that with if you want.

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"and the only reason it didn't is because blacks aren't trying hard enough:"


I don't expect the average income of minorities to equal that of majorities, historically wealthy families in the majority have more opportunities for success, I have stated this already, white privilege exists.

That being said, there is a difference between income inequality and poverty levels. Income inequality between working class minorities and working class whites is caused by systematic racism. I believe this accounts for a small part of your graphs disparity, and I believe it is improving slowly to fairer levels as information becomes more transparent.

For the minority poverty levels (that skews the graph tremendously), I do not think a racist society in 2015 is to blame. Regardless of what color your skin is, if you don't graduate high school, you won't be successful at life. The "hood culture" I referenced doesn't value education, and that influences the wealth far more heavily than any residual systematic racism does. A high school diploma isn't an exclusive white privilege.

7/17/2015 4:23:33 PM

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" I do not think a racist society in 2015"


Okay, maybe we're talking about different things... it's not a racist society in 2015 that's to blame, it's the racist society up to the ~80s that's to blame. That's the whole point of the graph. We're still trying to correct and build off of what Americans and the American government did until just a few decades ago. Even if 100% of all Americans were completely non-racist, and the black community lived up to your ideal of rejecting "hood culture" ( ) blacks would still face the same major obstacles in moving ahead in society they face today.

And surely you must also realize that decades of oppression is what helps push some towards "hood culture"?

7/17/2015 4:34:50 PM

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"hood culture" is no different than any area anywhere that is mired in abject poverty

but the Bill O'Reilly-types loooooooove to only associate it with rap music and the inner-city

7/17/2015 4:39:42 PM

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^^^ have you been to an inner city school? One where the lack of funding is so obvious that schools are little more than daycares? How many of you had a parent sit and help you with homework, take you to sports activities and zoos and museums, and have conferences with your teachers? A single mother working two jobs doesnt have the time to spend with her kids helping with homework and making sure they study for tests. A single mother's only focus is putting food on the table to feed her kids.

Without supervision, kids want to be kids and play so of course they fall behind and it becomes harder and harder to progress forward.

This isnt about "hood culture" telling kids to stay poor and stupid. This is about the fundamental lack of opportunities due to the complete disregard for Af. Americans prior to 1968 (federally) through today (society as a whole). They need help - it's as simple as that. And it should be the priority of the government to help.

By the way, hood culture is also prevalent in white youth as well. In fact, "hood culture" in the form of hip-hop, slang, dress, etc. is hugely popular in the US among all races.

[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 4:42 PM. Reason : a]

7/17/2015 4:42:31 PM

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I love how this JCE dude is refusing to discuss/acknowledge the past as to why things are the way they are...he just keeps repeating 2015 over and over again despite half this page trying to educate him.

7/17/2015 5:11:52 PM

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You get what you ask for."


there's a whole lot of dumb in not that big of a post

but you do realize that in making this idiotic point, you're basically advocating for housing discrimination, right?

7/17/2015 5:30:59 PM

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"with poor work opportunities because they cant afford college/trade schools they get caught up in the methods of making fast money"


Interesting no one paid for my college at a 4-year university. I can't believe I made it out without resorting to dealing drugs. Truthfully if you are making the grades in school it is so much easier as a minority to get an academic scholarship plus there are loads of grants and subsidized loans that are available as an inverse function of your families income (AKA fafsa etc)

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"ou can't magically undo multiple generations of codified discrimination in 50 years, and even in that 50 year window, housing discrimination has been rampant"


I call bullshit. Apartment shopping the leasing agent could not even disclose to me if there were even many college kids (aka noisy partiers)
living in the building. If anyone even sniffs of housing discrimination then the lawsuits go flying and the NAACP comes out of the woodwork.

Have you ever considered that many blacks actually enjoy being in the "hood". Sure, unless they are the ones causing the problem then they
would like for there to be less gang violence and crime. Just like anyone else.
Just like people of others colors blacks prefer living with people similar to them just as much as whites or the asians living in the Chinatowns etc.

I don't buy this excuse of housing discrimination in modern times. As I argued in the other thread, there is actually a trend of young white
professionals actually integrating into what was once historical black neighborhoods.

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"o why are Af. Americans disproportionately stuck in poor/urban neighborhoods with high crime? "


I would say for many, even ones with good jobs, they have different priorities with money. I lived in a townhouse at one point in Wilmington
in what i'd call a "transition" area. The neighborhood wasn't the ghetto but definitely was poor and some units were section 8 rentals. The
people living there were mostly college aged or working class black families. Many families often had really nice cars many with expensive rims.
In this particular case it is obvious that these parents valued spending their money on depreciating assets rather than wealth building created
by buying a house.

I don't judge them for this hell I was spending 2x on my car payment than on rent at that time too. This though shows that there is more to the above graph then the liberal crying sob story told time and time again.

Let's



[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 6:14 PM. Reason : a]

7/17/2015 6:04:26 PM

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"This is about the fundamental lack of opportunities due to the complete disregard for Af. Americans prior to 1968 (federally) through today (society as a whole). They need help - it's as simple as that."


Fixed it for you.

JCE2011 I think this thread is hopeless. There seems to be no convincing these quivering pansies that anything besides the mean evil system created by white people to hold the black people down is the problems faced by the African American community.

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"So what kinds of jobs could these people get? Menial labor, janitorial, contruction, etc. Know how hard it is to grow wealth on minimum wage?

So why are Af. Americans disproportionately stuck in poor/urban neighborhoods with high crime? "


How about all the asian (esp ones post korean and vietnam war), india indians, arabs, 1st generation africans many of whom that migrated here with little/no wealth. I keep forgetting the mean evil system only hates black people.

I had a cab driver from Uganda while at state who was working as a cabbie at night to pay for his engineering school. MIND-BLOWING



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7/17/2015 6:07:42 PM

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Your mistake was even engaging them in the first place. Waste of time.

BTW, what is this privilege you speak of, and can I get some of it?

7/17/2015 6:32:46 PM

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"I don't judge them for this hell I was spending 2x on my car payment than on rent at that time too. This though shows that there is more to the above graph then the liberal crying sob story told time and time again.
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an·ec·do·tal
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(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
"while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact"

7/17/2015 6:43:34 PM

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" I can't believe I made it"


Yeah, none of us can either.

7/17/2015 6:47:19 PM

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Can someone please post a picture of the "invisible knapsack" people keep talking about when referring to white privilege? thnx

7/17/2015 7:02:46 PM

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It's just a big conspiracy to hold black people and only black people down. As a bonus we also brainstorm ways to trick them into criminal activities so that we can arrest them and throw them in jail duh

7/17/2015 7:10:51 PM

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"I love how this JCE dude is refusing to discuss/acknowledge the past as to why things are the way they are..."
You're right, it's not like I have said "systematic racism/white privilege exists" in everyone of my posts, in vain, just to keep bleeding-heart liberals from whining.

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"complete disregard for Af. Americans prior to 1968 (federally) through today (society as a whole)."

Through today? Complete societal disregard? You're trying too hard.

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"By the way, hood culture is also prevalent in white youth as well. In fact, "hood culture" in the form of hip-hop, slang, dress, etc. is hugely popular in the US among all races."


That's why I said "hood culture" instead of "black culture".

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"And surely you must also realize that decades of oppression is what helps push some towards "hood culture"?"


I agree 100%. The past was fucked up and is the direct cause for unfairness that exists today. My point is the "hood culture" is the main problem now preventing escape from poverty.

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Don't worry.

We all know what you meant.

7/17/2015 7:33:35 PM

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