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HUR
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You are using too much logic JCS.

7/17/2015 7:36:19 PM

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We all know what you meant.
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Everyone does, but the liberal mindset is so obsessed with assigning blame to the majority, so obsessed with infallible victims and racism/bigotry, that we have to focus more on not offending anyone than actually fixing problems.

Fortunately I can make my points without mentioning race: education is the key to success, and a high school education is not a white privilege. White privilege and systematic racism exist, they account for a disparity of wealth, but in 2015 they aren't preventing minorities from escaping poverty. Yes racism caused the cycle of poverty, but in 2015 the means are there for anyone of any race to escape poverty. Privilege isn't a valid excuse if you haven't passed K-12.

7/18/2015 9:41:33 PM

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"the liberal mindset is so obsessed with assigning blame to the majority, so obsessed with infallible victims and racism/bigotry, that we have to focus more on not offending anyone than actually fixing problems."


LOL, most people wouldn't even acknowledge a problem until recently. I think this is the first TWW thread where most people agreed that white privilege and systemic racism actually exist. I mean this literally.

But even with the understanding that these things are real and impactful, you still won't agree that we could make the most progress in equality by attacking the problem from that angle. You still want to believe the rest of us don't have to make much effort to help solve these problems, it's up to the "hood culture" people to solve the problems.

I predict though, just as it took time for the acknowledgement of even systemic bias to settle in, you'll eventually realize that we're not going to make progress with racial equality without doing so as a society.

7/18/2015 9:50:26 PM

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the color of my skin has not given me "privilege" and it's offensive when someone looks at my pale skin and assumes it has. I grew up with a single mom who worked her ass off just to scrape by, and even if we had to go without luxuries such as tomatoes, etc, she refused to take any government handouts.

7/18/2015 10:42:31 PM

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"You still want to believe the rest of us don't have to make much effort to help solve these problems, it's up to the "hood culture" people to solve the problems.
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many of the efforts to date to fix financial inequality with minorities have turned into absolute boondoggles. Half of the subprime housing loans went to minorities as an attempt to make more minority homeowners, even though financially they were a horrible recommendation for almost everyone. Minority participation contracts held by city and state governments are a laughingstock, as they only encourage minority businesses to skim money off of contracts before subcontracting non-disadvantaged businesses to do the work for them instead of actually having black businesses self-perform the work.

7/18/2015 11:45:51 PM

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"luxuries such as tomatoes, etc,"


LOL

way to go into detail there... luxury tomatoes and all that fancy et cetera

7/19/2015 12:29:40 AM

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well, that's a specific example that I remember as a child.

7/19/2015 1:09:47 AM

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"the color of my skin has not given me "privilege" and it's offensive when someone looks at my pale skin and assumes it has. I grew up with a single mom who worked her ass off just to scrape by, and even if we had to go without luxuries such as tomatoes, etc, she refused to take any government handouts.
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Ha, of course it has, don't be so naive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gina-crosleycorcoran/explaining-white-privilege-to-a-broke-white-person_b_5269255.html

7/19/2015 1:18:14 AM

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that's a bunch of liberal hooey from a liberal propaganda site.

7/19/2015 1:21:10 AM

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Another way to think about it…

Let's assume that 50% of all black people were racist, but 100% of white people were not racist. If you're white, that means that 5% of the people you see on a daily basis, if you lived in a "representative" area, hates your guts. That's 1 out of 20 people. You could probably easily deal with this.

Flip it around though… let's say no black person was a racist, but 50% of white people are. If you're a black person, that means a little more than 1 out of 3 people you meet on a daily basis are disgusted by you.

If we look at statistics for acceptance of interracial dating and use this as a proxy for racism, which i think is reasonable, there wasn't a majority support amongst whites until the mid 90s:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/149390/record-high-approve-black-white-marriages.aspx

I bet every black person on this site was born before then, which means every black person in our age group lived through a time when 1 out of 3 people they met was judging them negatively for their race. Or for every 1 out of 2 interactions with a white person, did they lose out on something because the white person didn't like their skin color? Did they miss a job opportunity, or educational benefit? Were they not told some useful piece of information to help them navigate a system?

At the same time, a white person only had to worry about 1 out of every 30th person they met not liking them for their skin color.

Another way to think about it… for a black person, they could be content that 1 out of every 2 white people they met didn't have a problem with their skin color, for a white person they could be comfortable that 2 out of every 3 black people they met didn't have a problem with their skin color.

Even today, it's still 1 out of every 6 white people a black person meets, averaged across the nation (likely worse in the south), might be thinking negatively about them because of skin color.

In the real world, there's a lot of compounding and mitigating factors, but just by the vast difference in population size, it doesn't take much racism for the majority population to overwhelm a minority population.

7/19/2015 1:35:54 AM

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Ha, of course it has, don't be so naive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gina-crosleycorcoran/explaining-white-privilege-to-a-broke-white-person_b_5269255.html
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Lmao, huffington post is the Fox News of Liberals....

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" Recognizing privilege simply means being aware that some people have to work much harder just to experience the things you take for granted "


As I said earlier, standardized high school tests, high school graduation rates... high school diplomas are not a white privilege. If you don't put in the minimal work to graduate public high school, you can't point fingers at others and blame privilege as the reason you aren't where you want to be.

7/19/2015 2:49:11 AM

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If we look at statistics for acceptance of interracial dating and use this as a proxy for racism, which i think is reasonable, there wasn't a majority support amongst whites until the mid 90s:"


What a stupid proxy for quantifying racism. I promise you more than 4% of blacks are racist even though they'd love to slip their hot dog into some white pussy.

7/19/2015 1:45:48 PM

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^ still doesn't matter, doesn't seem like there is any metric where whites aren't way more racist than blacks, which is amplified by the size of the population, and further amplified by the power structure being overwhelmingly white.

Just as the guy mentioned in that "i, racist" sermon, these obstacles can seem overwhelming. For every black person that puts in the extra effort to over come the racists, there's probably 2 more that are discouraged by them. I think any average person would be similarly affected-- black people aren't super-human.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/23/millennials-are-just-as-racist-as-their-parents/

7/19/2015 3:04:51 PM

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^
"whites are more racist than blacks" is not something you can just assume and make the basis of your argument. (or present some random statistic that "proves" it... white people eat a higher ratio of white chocolate to dark chocolate than black people do, therefore more racist)

7/19/2015 3:16:38 PM

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^ lol, it's not an assumption, it's evident in pretty much every sociological statistics, and you probably understand this reality on an anecdotal level as well, if you're white. As one of the "good whites", of which there are more of than the bad ones in our modern age, you shouldn't be personally perturbed by white racism. You are uniquely in a position to have the most impact in reducing the impact of systemic and interpersonal racism.

This video here is pretty funny too:
https://www.facebook.com/fusionmedianetwork/videos/1186695448023098/?fref=nf

[Edited on July 19, 2015 at 8:58 PM. Reason : ]

7/19/2015 8:58:12 PM

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^ I mean that's kind of funny, but I don't understand what her point is about being "transracial"

If someone is presenting themselves as another race in every facet of life, how are they not "having to live it"?

7/19/2015 9:11:59 PM

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7/19/2015 9:31:44 PM

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moron has got to be the biggest racist on this website

I believe The Whites are definitely the most racist group, and I don't think anyone would disagree

[Edited on July 19, 2015 at 9:43 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2015 9:39:58 PM

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^ ha, it's not a belief, it's a fact, although they've gotten a lot better in the past 20 years.

7/20/2015 12:18:34 AM

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so if you swapped the words 'black' and 'white' in some of your posts, it wouldn't come off as extremely offensive to some people on here? does white privilege protect that or something?

7/20/2015 12:19:49 AM

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^ offended? If you're offended at the realization or understanding that racism against blacks was pervasive in society until the mid 90s, and this correlates with a long-standing MASSIVE wealth disparity that directly traces back to slavery, that continues to create cyclical, systemic damage today, the correct response isn't to whine about feeling offended, but to look for ways to help address this problem that exists for all of us in our shared society.

7/20/2015 1:23:31 AM

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No, I'm not offended at all, but if you simply transposed a couple colors, half of your cohorts would get butthurt. Why can't you see that?

7/20/2015 1:26:55 AM

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Moron is an enabler.

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"Just as the guy mentioned in that "i, racist" sermon, these obstacles can seem overwhelming. For every black person that puts in the extra effort to over come the racists, there's probably 2 more that are discouraged by them. I think any average person would be similarly affected-- black people aren't super-human.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/23/millennials-are-just-as-racist-as-their-parents/

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If anything this post proves my point that any biasness exists not because white millenials don't like black skin but they are sick of all the bitching, excuses, "dark male mugs college kid" emails,folks looting their own towns, ect. Essentially the actions of a subset of the black population, many of whom live the "hood" culture stereotype are extending if not creating more racial tension in future generations.

Sure argue that it's racist for people to draw biasness from those actions or that the actions listed is an "effect" not a cause but if you can't logically draw a line of positive correlation than you are a moron

[Edited on July 20, 2015 at 2:30 AM. Reason : K]

7/20/2015 2:23:37 AM

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^do you clutch your purse tightly when a black man walks in your direction too? give the racism justifications a rest already FFS.

you're really a shallow, racist, past-living dick hole when you can't understand that there's a distinct difference between black people and niggas. systemic racism targets both black people and niggas because they look the same and that's what the problem is. if you can stop shunning black people because of what niggas do, then we may make some progress here. till then, you still have your blind-fold/white hood on.

7/20/2015 9:39:18 AM

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You apparentmy lack reading comprehension skills. That was my point exactly. I have no problem with black people but do with what you call "niggas".

For a lot of people though aka billy Bob red neck or an impressionable Jake the 16 year old they may not understand there is a distinct difference. So when they seer "niggas" on the news or acting like a thug in real life they begin to build a biased attitude on this rather than realizing that this type of behavior does not represent a whole race of people.

I feel like there is more of this at play than what the article above wants to discuss. Since this holds some in the African American community responsible with the on going racial biasness in our society instead of blaming it all on mean racist white parents making their kids racist to o

[Edited on July 20, 2015 at 10:18 AM. Reason : H]

7/20/2015 10:15:12 AM

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the worry isn't with billy bob redneck or impressionable jake the 16 year old. it's chad the ceo of xyz company, eric the senator of abc state, and others with influence. apparently you think this issue is smaller than it really is.

[Edited on July 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM. Reason : you apparentmy lack spelling skills]

7/20/2015 10:36:12 AM

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"the correct response isn't to whine about feeling offended "


Since when is this not the correct Liberal response? LOL

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"but to look for ways to help address this problem that exists for all of us in our shared society."


High School graduation rates for minorities. Fathers raising their children.

7/20/2015 10:38:43 AM

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Anecdote time!

My 22 year old cousin lives in Minnesota and to my knowledge has not left the state. She routinely posts confederate flag shit and various biblically focused facebook posts

She also was impregnated by her 17 year old boyfriend.

AMERICA IS DOOMED.

7/20/2015 10:45:36 AM

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"No, I'm not offended at all, but if you simply transposed a couple colors, half of your cohorts would get butthurt. Why can't you see that?
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There's nothing you could transpose with what I wrote, and it still make sense. What you're saying is a senseless and pointless observation. You're literally saying if you change around the core factual meaning of a statement, that meaning changes. This is obvious, and irrelevant.

7/20/2015 11:20:40 AM

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"but to look for ways to help address this problem that exists for all of us in our shared society."


High School graduation rates for minorities. Fathers raising their children.
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What's your point? Both of those issues are aggressively targeted and discussed in the black communities, and the community in general. They also happen to be symptoms of the larger issues.

It seems like you're saying "well, looks like I don't have do try to help, as long as these problems exist". If this is your attitude, you're contributing to the reasons those problems exists.

7/20/2015 11:22:30 AM

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The whole root cause is as Kanye says
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"George Bush doesn't care about black people"
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I think Hurricane Katrina was a conspiracy created by mean angry republicans using a weather machine to target minorities.

[Edited on July 20, 2015 at 11:25 AM. Reason : a]

7/20/2015 11:25:09 AM

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"You're literally saying if you change around the core factual meaning of a statement, that meaning changes."


No, again, the point is flying right over your head. You matter of factly discuss race in ways that give definitive shit stats, like "whites are factually more racist" and somehow you don't see what's wrong with that. Yet if someone said "blacks are factually more racist" you'd get butthurt. Yet you are going on about factual meaning of a statement for some reason.

7/20/2015 11:30:51 AM

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" Yet if someone said "blacks are factually more racist" you'd get butthurt."


Ha, because this isn't true? Not that hard to see... whites in America definitely are more racist. I didn't realize anyone disputed this o.O

What's your evidence that suggests this isn't the case?

[Edited on July 20, 2015 at 12:39 PM. Reason : ]

7/20/2015 12:39:04 PM

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BLUE POWER

7/20/2015 12:40:05 PM

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^^I don't have evidence either way, but neither do you unless "interracial marriage approval" shows that one race is more racist than another

And you still don't realize that you get upset if a blanket statement is made about a particular race, yet you have no problem doing it yourself

7/20/2015 12:41:34 PM

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^^^that's just like your opinion man. (seriously)

[Edited on July 20, 2015 at 12:43 PM. Reason : ]

7/20/2015 12:42:55 PM

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^^Ha, it's your white privilege to roll-eyes at the interracial dating poll, but I posted another more direct poll too.

Not to mention all the societal evidence.

But, by all means, keep your head buried in the sand. You, being white, can afford to do so; you're not the first, and won't be the last.

^ of course, but it's a far stronger opinion than someone with the opposite. It's the better opinion, until we have machines that can directly read peoples' brains and elucidate their deepest, darkest thoughts.

[Edited on July 20, 2015 at 12:44 PM. Reason : ]

7/20/2015 12:43:29 PM

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soon, the blues and the greens will take over the world, and the tension b/t blacks and whites will disappear :3333

7/20/2015 12:45:13 PM

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"I posted another more direct poll too"


A poll comparing different generations of whites. What does that have to do with saying "whites are the most racist race, obviously"?

Ironically, the matter-of-factness with which you continue to claim "whites are the most racist" is just as racist as the whites in the poll you posted who claim "blacks are the laziest". As I said, you're probably the biggest racist on this site. But it's racism against whites, so no big deal.

[Edited on July 20, 2015 at 12:53 PM. Reason : .]

7/20/2015 12:48:32 PM

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i didn't realize moron was "other" than white. not that i assumed he was... his race was never a factor in my thinking and I just pictured him as a formless person with a username.(not directly related to the discussion, but just pointing out that before other assumptions are made... in fact i generally don't know what most users on here look like or their race... including TT and most of the people in this thread.)

7/20/2015 1:07:03 PM

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You're asking what does a poll that measures racism have to do with making a determination on racism?

You're stretching really hard with this line of thinking here, probably best for you to turn back around.

7/20/2015 1:10:13 PM

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This poll is far more positive on white people, but still had this result:
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"Only 15% of Whites saw Blacks as intelligent although 39.7% of Blacks saw Whites as intelligent."

http://blairrockefellerpoll.uark.edu/6107.php

Only about 25% more white people viewed whites as "intelligent" compared to blacks so this number isn't quite as staggering as it seems on the surface.

Either way, blacks clearly revere whites far more than whites care for blacks. C'mon white people, black people just want to be friends!

7/20/2015 1:42:02 PM

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I "view" African-Americans as having on average greater jumping ability, greater speed, and longer schlongs than white people.

Does that make me racist against whites?

7/20/2015 1:48:12 PM

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It makes you an idiot.

7/20/2015 2:13:14 PM

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^seconded.

7/20/2015 2:41:24 PM

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^^^^That seems to show that Latinos are the most racist

where are the polls about how many Chinese people think white people are stupid? Or how many black people don't like Chinese people? You're making the very racist blanket statement that whites are more racist than other races, whether you mean as a higher percentage or whatever criteria, yet you're showing nothing to support that other than, I don't know, seeing some racist shithead cops and assuming all white people are like that?

[Edited on July 20, 2015 at 2:43 PM. Reason : .]

7/20/2015 2:42:20 PM

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^ ha, we have multiple polls, literally take across several decades, demonstrating whites as being the most racist, and possibly even most whites being racist until the 90s, and you're still trying to pretend that there's scant evidence that white people are racist.

Note that saying that white people are the most racist doesn't mean that most whites are racist, or other groups aren't a little racist themselves. Nor does it even mean that whites revel in their racism. This racism is almost certainly due to ignorance and people like you who are offended by the realization that a sizable chunk of their family and friends are racist, and are part of a system that has, for a hundred years, served to create massive disparity and poverty in black communities. No one likes to think this, but you and others have to acknowledge this truth for us to move forward.

7/20/2015 3:02:14 PM

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"This racism is almost certainly due to ignorance and people like you who are offended by the realization that a sizable chunk of their family and friends are racist"


Keep telling yourself that numbnuts if it makes you sleep better at night. Surely racism does not exist due to a subset/minority/etc of the African-American community who goes around acting like "niggas," as afripino calls them, thus basically giving a lot of good black people a bad rap. Fueling racial biasness alternative to the typical liberal and NAACP hypothesis that racism only exists because ignorant whites don't like people with black skin.

7/20/2015 3:10:51 PM

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As a white person I've found the casual racism between various Asian groups in NYC to be pretty eye opening. The Fujianese are shit on by pretty much everyone. Also various negative things Indians say about the Bengali people

Melting pot!

7/20/2015 3:14:42 PM

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why aren't embarrassments to other races considered to be an indictment of their entire race?

7/20/2015 3:14:43 PM

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