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Smath74
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without giving too many details, my phone (android Moto G3, black) was somehow used by people to record video and audio of me in my house. How is this possible? The stuff they saw is very private. They also were able to get into my WiFi and see everything on my computer screen as I saw it. This includes personal conversations, documents, tax information, etc. I know these people were local and in range of my wifi (I heard them and chased them off with an ax handle)

How do i secure my shit against this happening again? i'm in panic mode.

4/6/2016 1:27:22 PM

Smath74
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and if anyone is a good digital sleuth i'll pay you dollars$money to track down who did it. because it was very private information and video. I fully intend to have this prosecuted. So far RPD hasn't given much interest.

4/6/2016 1:29:03 PM

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If this is true, which I doubt, you might want to talk to the FBI.

4/6/2016 1:30:35 PM

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did you change your router's password?

[Edited on April 6, 2016 at 4:05 PM. Reason : .]

4/6/2016 4:05:27 PM

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"How is this possible?"

If this is true, which I doubt, you might want to talk to the FBI NSA.

4/6/2016 4:10:52 PM

FroshKiller
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Not for nothing but this sounds like a schizophrenic delusion.

4/6/2016 4:29:04 PM

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get a newer phone, put tape over your camera, stop using wifi, get a gun.

[Edited on April 6, 2016 at 4:55 PM. Reason : If this is true, which I doubt, you might want to talk to the FBI NSATWW.]

4/6/2016 4:54:37 PM

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Smath74 sex tape incoming

4/6/2016 5:01:00 PM

Smath74
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^uh yeah. this is not a troll or delusion.

4/6/2016 5:06:32 PM

Smath74
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this is a legit plea for help. they even got images of my kids and that makes me madder than anything.

4/6/2016 5:07:22 PM

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"did you change your router's password?"

no and that's probably my fault. TWC said the password they supplied would be perfectly sound.

4/6/2016 5:08:19 PM

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1) Now that someone has stolen it, there is now way to unsteal it. You are now struggling against stream to unset a past event. You are at this very moment choosing suffering.
2) People only do this to show that there are vulnerabilities in a product. No one actually looks at hacked data. Know how your friends only look at a picture you show them for 2 seconds? A hacker probably does this to 10000 devices. So don't expect any collages of your kids to start popping up on instagram. This is a good place to start 'losing self-importance'.

4/6/2016 5:58:30 PM

Smath74
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you are misunderstanding the situation. this was live sexy time with no consent to record or distribute. this was done by my students. this shit has been distributed all over the school and i feel like a damn rape victim.

4/6/2016 7:50:49 PM

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HOw do you know it was your phone? Can you tell by the angle of the pic where the phone was at the time? it's generally pretty unusual for your phone to be pointed at anything interesting. Could it possibly have been your laptop open that was the culprit?

To remotely take over your phone or computer to record video then extract it would require someone to have gotten software installed on your computer, either by accessing it while you weren't looking, or by tricking you to installing a trojan somehow.

If they got access to your google account password (maybe just watching you type it in?) then they can possibly trigger a remote install of an app to your phone then start controlling it from there.

4/6/2016 9:46:32 PM

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If this is true, which I doubt, you might want to talk to the FBI. That really fucking sucks dude. (seriously, sorry to hear it)

4/6/2016 10:30:14 PM

Smath74
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I've already talked to a friend in the SBI. yes this happened. This was from my phone. I know because of the angle of the... uhhh... photo that I saw. but it was a complete video with audio. I heard people reenact the entire scene. I found a device connected to my wifi that does not belong to me and I turned over the IP and Mac address to the police.

and it wasn't just a one time thing. The next day I posted a letter to the culprits and it was also referenced in the released material. (i used specific wording so i could identify it and I only left it open on my desktop for a while when the kids were supposed to be in school. Yet it was also distributed. I have since had to shut down my entire wireless network and hardwire everything I use to the router.

4/6/2016 11:02:22 PM

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You turned in the IP address of a device that was on your network....

4/6/2016 11:05:16 PM

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*add to my topics*

*grabs popcorn*

4/6/2016 11:07:21 PM

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https://www.wireshark.org/tools/oui-lookup.html

You can paste the MAC address there to find the vendor of the device, could help gain some insight on what the device was.

Do you know if TWC was set to use WPA2 by default? If so, just hard wiring everything might not matter. They could have easily got into your router and enabled the ability to remotely access things. Make sure to do a factory reset on your router, change the admin password.

If youre on a Mac, on your computer do this command in the command line:
ps -ax > ~/Downloads/processes.txt

And check the file in the Downloads folder for any suspicious process (i realize this is vague, but you can tell by the folder path or filename if something seems out of place).

If youre on windows, go to the task manager, right-click the column heading and choose "command line" and look for anything suspicious, also check "add or remove programs".

You could have a keylogger installed.

[Edited on April 6, 2016 at 11:15 PM. Reason : ]

4/6/2016 11:08:01 PM

Smath74
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"You turned in the IP address of a device that was on your network...."

yes, after I blacklisted it on the router. This is not our device and is not in our home.

4/6/2016 11:14:43 PM

Smath74
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was that wrong to do?

4/6/2016 11:17:50 PM

BigMan157
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that ip is local to your network

[Edited on April 6, 2016 at 11:24 PM. Reason : you'd want to blacklist the mac address]

4/6/2016 11:23:22 PM

Smath74
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Wait, so i did something right?! how the fuck did they get in and how do i prevent it in the future?

4/6/2016 11:27:36 PM

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i'm having a tough time believing this only because who sets their cell phone in a way that its pointing at you and not just laying face down or face up on a table

4/7/2016 8:48:10 AM

FroshKiller
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You should probably go to the hospital and get a psych eval.

4/7/2016 8:58:15 AM

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4/7/2016 9:19:23 AM

bbehe
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Alright, I'm not saying you're lying, however, I don't think you have a good grasp of the the situation and are exaggerating things because you've seen too much CSI:Cyber. Lets take a look at every statement.

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"used by people to record video and audio of me in my house"


This is extremely hard to do because of all the built in permissions that Android requires a user to consent to. If you had said they got into your phone and downloaded a video you had made, that's more believable. Also, who keeps their phone positioned in a way that would be useful for recording?

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"They also were able to get into my WiFi and see everything on my computer screen as I saw it"


This is called screen mirroring and also very hard to do just be gaining access to your wifi. They'd also need admin access into your computer to install some script kiddie tool.

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"So far RPD hasn't given much interest."


If this is true, the SBI would be a better agency.

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"this was live sexy time with no consent to record or distribute. this was done by my students."


Here your story changes, it changes from 'they captured live video from my phone' to 'they got access to a sex video I was making'.

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"I heard people reenact the entire scene."


Why not collect their names and confront them?

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" I turned over the IP and Mac address to the police.
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IP address is useless. MAC address is better, however, it can also be spoofed. I am curious how someone who thinks the color of their phone matters for security is able to recognize a MAC address though...

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"I posted a letter to the culprits and it was also referenced in the released material. (i used specific wording so i could identify it and I only left it open on my desktop for a while when the kids were supposed to be in school. Yet it was also distributed"


So you should know pretty definitively who has access, you're a school administrator, confront them.



so tl;dr here: What you're describing is very complicated. It would involve tools being installed on both your computer and your phone. These tools would very likely require physical access to these machines rather than just access to the network they are on. What is more likely is that you accidentally uploaded a video, that you took, to something like dropbox and that link somehow got out, or who knows? Maybe you accidentally mailed it to a student. I recognize you're embarrassed and that is often easier to blame faceless hackers than to admit you might have made a mistake, but it's really what it sounds like here. Either way though, I wish you the best and hope you recover from this and get help, in whatever form that maybe.

4/7/2016 9:31:48 AM

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i've forwarded this thread to my friend at WRAL and your relevant info, they said it sounded like it could be a good story and they'll be getting in touch with you

4/7/2016 9:41:50 AM

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SEND SPIKE

4/7/2016 10:34:40 AM

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4/7/2016 10:49:49 AM

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I like how he told us the color of his phone, like that is salient information and can be used to deduce what happened

4/7/2016 11:42:25 AM

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Ya blew it.

4/7/2016 1:37:25 PM

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#BlackPhonesMatter

4/7/2016 1:51:51 PM

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What the hell were these people doing that you 'heard them and chased them off with an ax handle'?

Follow up - why the fuck do you have an ax handle and not just a baseball bat or something?

4/7/2016 2:30:24 PM

Smath74
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ax handles hit much harder.

anyway, none of this is exaggeration. This all happened.

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"so tl;dr here: What you're describing is very complicated. It would involve tools being installed on both your computer and your phone. These tools would very likely require physical access to these machines rather than just access to the network they are on. What is more likely is that you accidentally uploaded a video, that you took, to something like dropbox and that link somehow got out, or who knows? Maybe you accidentally mailed it to a student. I recognize you're embarrassed and that is often easier to blame faceless hackers than to admit you might have made a mistake, but it's really what it sounds like here. Either way though, I wish you the best and hope you recover from this and get help, in whatever form that maybe.
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yes it is complicated. I know these were high school students because the video and images and gchat conversations of a very personal nature (talking about my separation from my wife) and many other soul-bearing information is now publicly being shared among the student body of my high school. My principal gave me 2 weeks leave because of the psychological impact that all this has had on me. They were within proximity of my WEP enabled wifi. There are apps anyone can download to get past that. There are also apps apparently that are able to screen capture and even use devices such as cameras and microphones once into a network. This happened. I'm paying the price with my dignity.

These things were not previously recorded or stored on any device in my house. They were streamed live and recorded by the perps. I have never recorded a sex video for exactly this reason. I wouldn't want it to get out for my students to see. Now I don't know EXACTLY what all they have, but I did a little test... I took a half day, and during school hours I wrote a note on a word document on my wifi connected desktop and used specific words the day after all of this was recorded. Sure enough these specific words were used by several students in a mocking fashion so it proves to me that this is not a one time hack job and there is a device nearby that is connected to my wifi and somehow is able to see the screens of my devices including phones and computers. I have since found a connected device on my wifi that we do not own and i blacklisted the device using router settings. For further protection I completely turned off my Wifi and am now hard wired.

The question I have... if these kids have this level of devious tools, are they able to see what's on my phone over the regular cell signal when it is not connected to wifi?

(and yes, I do appreciate the sympathy and all that. i really do. But this was malicious. The air was very still that morning and I could hear them talking and they were actively tracking my location throughout my house because I was holding my cell phone (no pockets) while walking around)

[Edited on April 7, 2016 at 5:36 PM. Reason : ]

4/7/2016 5:22:06 PM

Smath74
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"i'm having a tough time believing this only because who sets their cell phone in a way that its pointing at you and not just laying face down or face up on a table"

Yes, the video was pointed towards the ceiling but there were angles (unfortunate) when I got up and stepped over the table
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"You should probably go to the hospital and get a psych eval."

I know that might be a troll, but I went to my psychiatrist and she confirmed the events actually happened after i signed a waiver for her to speak to my boss.

4/7/2016 5:28:33 PM

BigMan157
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man, your students must really dislike you

4/7/2016 5:37:06 PM

Smath74
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no idea why. these were my best students. (who i heard outside and who were talking about it during first period like i heard them say that night/morning)

4/7/2016 5:38:23 PM

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you should look through your phones installed apps. maybe sort them by date installed

4/7/2016 5:46:06 PM

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The question I have... if these kids have this level of devious tools, are they able to see what's on my phone over the regular cell signal when it is not connected to wifi?

(and yes, I do appreciate the sympathy and all that. i really do. But this was malicious. The air was very still that morning and I could hear them talking and they were actively tracking my location throughout my house because I was holding my cell phone (no pockets) while walking around)"


Okay. You're being paranoid.

The technology to pull data off a cell phone with only the cell signal would involve about 30-40k worth of gear that is only available to the government.

Also, when I said complicated, I meant something that is essentially impossible for a group of hs students to pull off.

[Edited on April 7, 2016 at 5:52 PM. Reason : a. ]

4/7/2016 5:47:37 PM

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I'm not trolling. You seriously sound like you are experiencing a paranoid delusion.

4/7/2016 5:54:15 PM

Smath74
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i know i do. my psychiatrist called my boss to confirm that this actually indeed did happen.

and this was on wifi. I have republic wireless so my cell phone runs through wifi... so if i turn off the wifi on my phone i should be pretty safe then right? that's all i was trying to ask. That's what i've been doing.

[Edited on April 7, 2016 at 6:07 PM. Reason : ]

4/7/2016 6:06:32 PM

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If they had access to do the sorts of things that you're describing, it's very likely that they've got keylogger/trojans installed on your computer/cell phone that could be sending out data to them even if they're no longer on your network. Obviously getting/keeping them off your wifi is important, but I'd also strongly consider re-formatting every computer and phone you have just to be safe.

[Edited on April 7, 2016 at 6:20 PM. Reason : That sounds like I could be trolling you to get you to format your shit, but I'm not.]

4/7/2016 6:19:17 PM

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They clearly hacked your google glasses

4/7/2016 8:15:38 PM

Smath74
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^^does not sound like trolling at all to me. thank you. that's my next step.

4/8/2016 12:05:57 AM

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Better yet, just burn the whole house down and start over.

4/8/2016 8:10:30 AM

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I'm having so much trouble with the narrative in this thread. You obviously don't have to share any details with us, but the choices you have made about what to share have been so strange and your words so off somehow that it's throwing me.

Like I'm fuckin' fascinated that someone apparently deemed it necessary for your psychiatrist to corroborate your story (or at least that it's not a delusion). How did that even come up? What was that conversation like? Whose idea was it? Do you feel like it was necessary?

Let me break down some of this.

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"They also were able to get into my WiFi and see everything on my computer screen as I saw it."


This isn't outside the realm of possibility as others have pointed out, but how on Earth do you know this? Absolute statements about what is known to others is like a fuckin' hallmark of the schizophrenic.

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"this was done by my students. this shit has been distributed all over the school and i feel like a damn rape victim."


How do you know it was your students? How do you know that something has been distributed? When you confronted the people you heard, did you recognize them as your students? Is there some concrete evidence that they've distributed something, like fuckin' copies of your W-2 pasted up all over the halls of the school or something? Put a pin in this.

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"This was from my phone. I know because of the angle of the... uhhh... photo that I saw. but it was a complete video with audio."


It went from a photo to a "complete video with audio" in a damn sentence. What photo did you see, and in what context did you see it? Are you talking about the material you're suggesting your students distributed? Where did you encounter this?

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"I heard people reenact the entire scene."


What people, and what scene? And how did you come to hear this? Were you like Polonius behind a curtain and shit? Like I feel real strongly that this probably didn't happen, dude.

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"I found a device connected to my wifi that does not belong to me and I turned over the IP and Mac address to the police."


Describe this device! What the fuck?!

Without getting too much into detail, all the stuff you've been saying so far is exactly like someone I know who experiences paranoid delusions. He talks about people doing all kinds of crazy shit and devices that he finds, and none of it is real in the slightest.

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"The next day I posted a letter to the culprits and it was also referenced in the released material."


Bro, what the fuck is up with your entire sense of causality?!

"Posted a letter"? Like you mailed it or nailed it to the door like fuckin' Martin Luther?

How the fuck was it "referenced" in "the released material" if you "posted" the letter the day after the material was released?

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"I know these were high school students because the video and images and gchat conversations of a very personal nature (talking about my separation from my wife) and many other soul-bearing information is now publicly being shared among the student body of my high school."


Okay, I haven't spoken much about your syntax and word choice and shit, but "many other soul-bearing information" is an example of the kind of plural confusion you see in schizophrenics' writing. I know you'll brush that off as a typo, that you're stressed out and will obviously make simple mistakes, but this is not an isolated example!

Plus you are talking about this "released material" like it's a Snowden-level volume of shit, like high school students are passing around fat binders of your business. What the actual hell are you seeing? What physical artifact has been "released"?

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"My principal gave me 2 weeks leave because of the psychological impact that all this has had on me."


This sentence right here is hiding some important kernel.

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"Now I don't know EXACTLY what all they have, but I did a little test... I took a half day, and during school hours I wrote a note on a word document on my wifi connected desktop and used specific words the day after all of this was recorded. Sure enough these specific words were used by several students in a mocking fashion so it proves to me that this is not a one time hack job and there is a device nearby that is connected to my wifi and somehow is able to see the screens of my devices including phones and computers."


There is no way! No way did any of this happen! What did you type, and what did you hear, and who did you hear saying it? Did you confront these kids? No way on Earth!

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"The air was very still that morning and I could hear them talking and they were actively tracking my location throughout my house because I was holding my cell phone (no pockets) while walking around)"


BRUH. BRUH. I can't even comment on this stuff anymore. Like I feel like these snippets ought to be speaking volumes!

"The air was very still" is the kind of appeal to your sensory powers paranoiacs use as evidence that their delusions are real: I saw it with my own two eyes, I felt it very clearly brush against my skin, I hear them very clearly at night.

"They were actively tracking my location throughout my house because I was holding my cell phone." What? Literally what? How are you making these connections? I'll tell you: You're short on fuckin' neurotransmitters or some shit, you aren't making dopamine!

Real talk, man: Have you been prescribed an antipsychotic? I don't care which, I don't care what dose, just yes or no. And you ain't even gotta answer that. But if the answer is yes, you need to ask yourself why was I prescribed an antipsychotic?

I am not trolling, calling you out to embarrass you, or making fun of you. I think you are for real going through something serious and scary, but I don't think any of this shit you've posted about actually happened the way you are presenting it.

4/8/2016 8:31:04 AM

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"Describe this device! What the fuck?!

Without getting too much into detail, all the stuff you've been saying so far is exactly like someone I know who experiences paranoid delusions. He talks about people doing all kinds of crazy shit and devices that he finds, and none of it is real in the slightest."


To be fair to Smath, I believe he's describing seeing the device from his router management screen. Even most basic routers have an option to see what devices are connected to his network.


Considering Smath was asking for prescription drugs for anxiety a few days prior to this event, I do believe most, if not all of this, is in his head. I'm reminded of a reddit post, where some guy thought his landlord was fucking with him and leaving postit notes, but it turned out he was suffering from CO2 Poisoning

https://np.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/34l7vo/ma_postit_notes_left_in_apartment/cqvrdz6?context=3

4/8/2016 8:43:04 AM

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"Yes, the video was pointed towards the ceiling but there were angles (unfortunate) when I got up and stepped over the table"



WHAT!?!

there is some bullshit in this thread

4/8/2016 9:14:07 AM

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If you are involved with your employer, the state of North Carolina, in a case of student- teacher harassment, would providing details to the public regarding an open investigation violate the terms of your employment? Its a good troll thread

4/8/2016 9:15:31 AM

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