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rjrumfel
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^ I get your point. And there is definitely a level of preparedness for a generic superbug that we should have implemented. But one could also say we should be preparing for the caldera under Yellowstone to explode. We know it is going to happen, but we don't know when. Same could be said for a pandemic. 1918 is so far away now that it doesn't ring in anyone's ears. With our 24 hour news cycle, 1918 might as well have been 1718. And SARS and the swine flu wasn't bad enough to get everyone's attention.

You say "but you can't compare something that happened 102 years ago to 600,000 years ago." But yes, you can, because everybody has really short memories.

We are (or were) just so secure in the knowledge that our way of life can't possibly change that we're slow or unable to do anything about it.

[Edited on April 1, 2020 at 12:22 PM. Reason : sdfas]

4/1/2020 12:22:25 PM

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No, based on the progression of viruses in the past couple decades, not based on the flu of 1918.

4/1/2020 12:26:00 PM

rjrumfel
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I understand that the recent viruses are of more concern than the Spanish flu pandemic - I'm just talking about the public at large's shoulder shrugs to the warnings. Everybody feels like it just can't happen to them. Pandemics couldn't possibly happen with modern medicine. Pandemics couldn't possibly happen IRL - they're only plots in disaster movies.

4/1/2020 12:38:01 PM

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People won’t want to hear this but the United States, sadly, is uniquely susceptible to this as a populace. We are taught (really indoctrinated) from a young age that rugged individualism is a far greater trait than collectivism. We are taught we are better, stronger, smarter, etc than everyone else. That we know better. That what happens to others can’t possibly happen to us. So when strong warnings are put in place we note them and move along.

Truth is, if we acted collectively with strong guidance a lot of this could have been prevented. People did warn us about it in January. I specifically recall Senator Murphy sounding the alarm bells multiple times only to be ignored (I’m sure other did too but he’s my original home state Senator so he stuck in my mind).

[Edited on April 1, 2020 at 12:51 PM. Reason : X]

4/1/2020 12:50:22 PM

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"We know it is going to happen, but we don't know when."


This isn't entirely true.

We know it won't be a surprise. We know there will be warnings. There will be time to plan and respond before the event. While I doubt the government has a specific plan for the Yellowstone caldera, there are definitely plans for widespread catastrophic destruction.

Pandemic planning is no different than planning for earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes and other natural disasters. Allocate and stage resources, then develop the organizational structures, processes and criteria for deploying those resources. It's not rocket science and the work has almost definitely been done for pandemics. There's a reason individual state responses have been effective.

Of course all the planning in the world is wasted if you don't follow the plan and actively discourage participation.

There will always be Harry Truman types. That's where being able to speak credibly to large numbers of people is important.

4/1/2020 1:20:11 PM

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Gov desantis just issued stay at home in Florida after saying for a while trump told him not to

Hopefully the people in Florida see how unfit trump is

4/1/2020 1:31:35 PM

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Time for Trump to really start making good use of the Defense of Production Act and fire up all those bootstrap factories.

4/1/2020 1:37:43 PM

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"Ok so I want to hear the basis for the excuse of "The Chinese kept it secret, therefore we were not able to respond sooner."

This is utter BS. Sure they probably kept some details from the public - I mean we all were theorizing that many more were dying than what was being reported, but we knew it was out there. We knew the symptoms, and we knew it was coming. There's no getting around that. Maybe it popped up a few weeks before it hit the news cycle, like in mid December or something, but we knew. Knew and did nothing."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/17/china-cared-more-about-suppressing-information-than-suppressing-virus-thats-why-were-here/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/09/truth-coronavirus-china-trump-pence/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25/blame-china-and-xi-jinping-for-coronavirus-pandemic/

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/

https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html

https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/02/how-china-working-quarantine-truth-about-coronavirus/162985/

Do I need to post more?

By "we knew and did nothing" you must be referring to when US Intel was advising the Trump administration in January and February and our traitor President decided to ignore it.

[Edited on April 1, 2020 at 2:13 PM. Reason : a]

4/1/2020 2:09:55 PM

rjrumfel
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^Pretty much.

But I can't tell....are you excusing why we didn't do anything earlier.

4/1/2020 3:30:53 PM

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typically the response to that on social media is "well yeah trump did try to do stuff in january but democrats said it was all racist!"

i assume they are referring to travel restrictions..?

4/1/2020 3:36:25 PM

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:posts fake Chuck Schumer tweet:

https://twitter.com/oknox/status/1245465882857476103?s=21

Lol, taking the piss now. A re-started 80s style war on drugs. I know Trumps brain is permanently stuck in 1980s New York but this is ridiculous.

[Edited on April 1, 2020 at 5:55 PM. Reason : X]

4/1/2020 5:51:08 PM

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Another thing I don't understand. Why in God's name is Trump encouraging states to forage world supply chains for themselves? I don't get it. Competition among states should NOT be a thing right now. This is another area where there should be a centralized effort to get supplies into the nation and then distribute them as needed.

I just saw where the governor of Colorado was talking to Chinese manufacturers for supplies. That's insane.

4/2/2020 8:35:40 AM

Cherokee
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Because he's incredibly unintelligent, does not care, doesn't know what he's doing and is a traitor.

4/2/2020 8:55:19 AM

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^^one day he said that the states should fend for themselves, and the federal government should be the last resort, then the next day when a reporter asked him about that he said, paraphrased "Look, I don't want them to compete against each other, that drives up the cost. Don't do that, call us and we'll help you"

4/2/2020 9:32:11 AM

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"You can absolutely say the health care system tying care to employment is making this situation worse. It is. Period. BUT, Trump and his administration actively took steps to make our response to this particular situation worse. His obvious lack of attention to detail and lack of reality directly contributed to and is still directly contributing to the situation as is. There is literally zero doubt that his slow waking this will cost more people’s lives than it should have. Talking about this is a necessity."

Of course there are big flaws in Trump's response. I'm not implying his response was perfect, I'm just saying its ridiculous to say things are bad because of him. Did you miss our preparation/response to Katrina? Flint? This is par for the course.

Also, how do you explain almost every other peer country then. Did Trump fire the pandemic response in Switzerland too? Something you have to understand is that this is just a really bad pandemic and a president or the little things one did were never going to make much of a difference. We have other countries to show. Again...par for the course.

You fundamentally mistake any questioning of criticism for support and it prevents you from even considering any of the points I'm making about being fair which ends up helping Trump. Trump is bad but you can't defeat him with a religion of "everything he does is bad and every bad thing is because of him".

I'm not trying to absolve Trump, I'm just saying you can't blame Trump to absolve the way the country operates, has operated long before Trump, and will continue to operate when he is gone.

[Edited on April 2, 2020 at 4:18 PM. Reason : have you seen whats happening in Sweden? UK? Spain? Italy? France? NL? Bel? Portugal?]

[Edited on April 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM. Reason : and macron is the prototypical neoliberal president. how did he get worse results?]

4/2/2020 4:14:55 PM

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" I'm just saying its ridiculous to say things are bad because of him"


He literally said it was 15 cases soon to 0, and that it would disappear like a miracle. He certainly made things worse by dragging his feet.

4/2/2020 4:43:56 PM

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Anyone who complained about dynastic politics because Hilary ran in 2016 as they watch Jared fucking Kushner address the country during a pandemic deserves a fiery, horrible death.

[Edited on April 2, 2020 at 6:50 PM. Reason : But, but it’s the system not the POTUS!!!! Fuck off and die.]

4/2/2020 6:49:35 PM

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Can someone decode this:
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JARED KUSHNER: "The notion of the federal stockpile was it's supposed to be our stockpile. It's not supposed to be states stockpiles that they then use."

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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1245852517474295809?s=21

4/2/2020 7:19:53 PM

horosho
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Talking and acting are two different things. He uses those conferences to give optimism. Just like twitter, his hyperbole is often idioic but doesn't necessarily indicate his policy. Those 15 very well may have gone down to 0 but it doesn't even matter because the virus was seeded many times through tourism. Thats what happens in a pandemic. You either shut down everything before anything happens or you get an outbreak.

Kushner is just talking and has no power and even though your point isn't applicable here, I still disagree with it. Neither are ideal but I'd MUCH rather see family members over positions being sold or awarded based on influence/corporate connections (even though Trump is doing that too)
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"In July 2015, Holder rejoined Covington & Burling, the law firm at which he worked before becoming Attorney General. The law firm's clients have included many of the large banks Holder declined to prosecute for their alleged role in the financial crisis. Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone opined about the move, "I think this is probably the single biggest example of the revolving door that we've ever had."[165][166]"

yall can't wait to keep the banks in charge eh

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"When Obama came into office, he adopted an array of Wall Street veterans and insiders into his administration. As a result, his two terms were extremely friendly to the banks, even after their criminal behavior led to the 2008 financial crisis. Obama himself once bragged that he was the only thing standing between the banks and the pitchforks. The former president has since used this goodwill to earn millions by giving speeches to major Wall Street firms.

Biden appears to be doing things the same way. Biden has made his career with money from the credit card industry and paid it back by making it hard for Americans to get out of debt. "

and biden's list
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"Jamie Dimon — chairman and CEO of JPMorgan Chase, and mentioned over the years as a potential presidential candidate — would also be considered for Treasury.
Anne Finucane, vice chairman of Bank of America, is another possibility for Treasury."

#savethewetlands


[Edited on April 2, 2020 at 7:26 PM. Reason : get rid of trump and put hte banks right back in charge damn may as well just keep wallst mnuchin]

[Edited on April 2, 2020 at 7:32 PM. Reason : we have proof of countries without trump getting outbreaks]

4/2/2020 7:21:41 PM

NyM410
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Fuck off. Sincerely.

4/2/2020 7:26:29 PM

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" Those 15 very well may have gone down to 0"



What a bunch of completely fucking meaningless and mindless apologistic bullshit.

4/2/2020 7:55:37 PM

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his level of trolling must take a monumental amount of effort

4/2/2020 9:07:14 PM

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And yet y'all keep feeding him

4/2/2020 9:49:24 PM

NyM410
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Again, I’m curious what would it take for certain leftists (again not the real ones like adultswim/daaave or scahill or the like) to admit that Trumpism is uniquely toxic and not just “the system” at work. Earl is a troll but he is not dissimilar to a brand of online that is simply toxic to what this country desperately needs.

4/2/2020 10:44:10 PM

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Claiming Trump is just a symptom of unfettered capitalism is true. But it's like saying organ failure is just a symptom of Covid-19. Technically it may be true, but it's a trite observation in a time of legitimate crisis.

Congrats, you diagnosed the symptom. The country is still on life support, though.

4/3/2020 1:01:29 PM

rjrumfel
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I'm still trying to figure out why all non-essential domestic air travel hasn't been grounded.

And when I say non-essential, I don't mean "I have to go to go to Atlanta for business." I basically mean anything non-commercial. That should have been done so much earlier.

And the list of essential services is a joke, written by lobbyists. Gun stores, office supplies, churches, etc.

4/3/2020 1:53:11 PM

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^^^,^^
Change doesn't happen by reasoning with people - it also requires circumstance. Hence why M4A is gaining popularity at a faster rate now than it was before. So I think it's important, especially right now, to express the fact that while Trump is uniquely terrible, he is president because of the inherent instability of capitalism, the media being owned by those who profit from this unstable system, and the lack of political leadership willing to address this.

The Jimmy Dores of the world are just contrarians who are more interested in proving their historical correctness rather than taking the message a step forward and tackling the present threat. That manifests in defending Trump as "normal" and allying with crypto-fascists like Tucker Carlson because he tells them what they want to hear.

[Edited on April 3, 2020 at 2:00 PM. Reason : .]

4/3/2020 1:55:34 PM

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^Change usually occurs during momentous events, agreed. A unique problem that Trump presents is that the people in power now are all hard-right, so they will grab the ideas that are just "floating around". With the hard-right in power, these ideas will all be market based and handouts to corporations. The end result being more extreme privatization and increased inequality, with more and more militant methods of maintaining that power imbalance. One nightmare that seems possible is seeing a shift in language, where the "infected" (i.e, poor, minorities, etc) are deemed a threat to public safety, granting state actors the ability to use increasing levels of force against them. Our prisons and ICE concentration camps are tinder boxes right now. If those populations are left to die during a pandemic, then I think we can say that we've jumped the gap from extreme hyper capitalism to outright fascism.

So if you're on the left, the opportunities for change to occur within the electoral arena are increasingly limited, if not outright non-existent. This is the dilemma that the left is currently grappling with. Even though ideas such as M4A all gaining popularity among the public, the public's ability to influence policy is evaporating. The hard-right is in power, and the center is collapsing, which is comically evident whenever Biden is trotted out for 2 minute clips at a time.

We are already seeing what Naomi Klein refers to as "Disaster Capitalism" (if you can't read her book, at least watch this):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG9CM_J00bw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqNAEx1lm4

The left is in a difficult position, because it does not have the institutional levers of power to enact change, even though their ideas have broad support among the electorate. The question that the left will have to ask themselves after this (assuming Biden gets the nod, which seems likely), is if playing within a tilted electoral system is even a tenable method of achieving change, or if movements and agitation should occur outside of the electoral sphere (i.e, disciplined trade unionism, organized work stoppages, eviction non-compliance, mass civil disobedience, etc).




[Edited on April 3, 2020 at 2:33 PM. Reason : ]

4/3/2020 2:19:09 PM

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"We are already seeing what Naomi Klein refers to as "Disaster Capitalism" (if you can't read her book, at least watch this):"


Finally got around to reading it last year and I wish I had sooner. It's probably shaped my present worldview more than anything else.

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"The left is in a difficult position, because it does not have the institutional levers of power to enact change, even though their ideas have broad support among the electorate. The question that the left will have to ask themselves after this (assuming Biden gets the nod, which seems likely), is if playing within a tilted electoral system is even a tenable method of achieving change, or if movements and agitation should occur outside of the electoral sphere (i.e, disciplined trade unionism, organized work stoppages, eviction non-compliance, mass civil disobedience, etc)."


I take the dual-power stance, but if the main focus isn't on organizing outside of electoral politics...you're not going to elect people. There is definitely a timeline where the right organizes labor under a Biden presidency.

4/3/2020 2:41:48 PM

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it's a great book. Highly recommend to anyone who suddenly has more quarantine time. I'd also recommend Sheldon Wolin's "Democracy Incorporated"

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"I take the dual-power stance, but if the main focus isn't on organizing outside of electoral politics...you're not going to elect people"


Generally, I think I agree, and I think this is a prudent approach. I don't really have an objection to this statement, but rather just broad cynicism of the current Democratic establishment. I think they exist to intercept leftward momentum and they are an instrument that blunts the impact of radical movements. If the Bernie movement fails, which appears likely, then I think the left needs to reassess it's position on political entryism as a strategy. The Democratic Party *wants* to be the party of upper-middle-class-suburban-white-liberals. It does not *want* to be a working class party. It does not *want* to represent low wage workers, and this is a problem, because radical change MUST be centered around raising the base conditions of low wage workers. And it must be led by members of that class.

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"There is definitely a timeline where the right organizes labor under a Biden presidency."


A sort of national socialism.....terrifying, but probable. We're already seeing the seeds of this being planted, which again, is why I have my eye on prison and detention (and homeless) populations right now. These are demographics that are being deemed worthy of liquidation to preserve public health....and that's a horrifying thought, and the pathway to an American eco-fascism is being paved right now.

4/3/2020 3:01:12 PM

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The alternative to entryism isn't pleasant to think about so I consider that to be pretty nihilist unless Don Jr takes us fully into eco-fascism. But agree that our focus is off. At least Bernie tried to build a movement not centered around him - it's a step in the right direction.

[Edited on April 3, 2020 at 3:35 PM. Reason : .]

4/3/2020 3:30:22 PM

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But at the same time, hundreds of thousands of people dying from a deliberate lack of state preparation is nihilistic. 10 million (and rising) people instantaneously finding themselves unemployed, uninsured, and housing insecure during a global plague is nihilistic. Millions more being forced to carry on, alienated in their own homes is also nihilistic.

Something has to give. Millions of people can't carry on like this for much longer. The alternative to entryism isn't pleasant, I agree. But neither is our present reality.

4/3/2020 4:06:33 PM

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"Again, I’m curious what would it take for certain leftists (again not the real ones like adultswim/daaave or scahill or the like) to admit that Trumpism is uniquely toxic and not just “the system” at work."

Well no shit but trumpism is a result of the system. Thats what I've been saying all along and why its shortsighted to just think getting rid of trump and going back to the same conditions that produced him is a good idea. The system is the fuel and Trumpism is the fire. Extinguishing the fire and going back to fueling is only going to lead to another fire wheras removing the fuel source will kill the fire and prevent future fires. Hell, if you can't do the best option, maybe just letting the fire burn out will take care of both the fuel and the fire.

Many of Trumps demographic of voters are PISSED and someones going to appease them regardless of whether its from the left or the right. Thats why blaming Trump for everything is dangerous and why I'm against the "system" using Trump as a scapegoat for anything that isn't the way you'd like it to be. Maybe you don't see it that way but its lazy to say its trolling or earl just because it isn't something you've thought about before.
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"^Change usually occurs during momentous events, agreed. A unique problem that Trump presents is that the people in power now are all hard-right, so they will grab the ideas that are just "floating around". With the hard-right in power, these ideas will all be market based and handouts to corporations. The end result being more extreme privatization and increased inequality, with more and more militant methods of maintaining that power imbalance."

What if Trump is the momentous event? What if the hard-right power and more extreme privatization is the exact inspiration needed for revolution?

I've seen more effective activism and local change during the last 3 years that I could have ever imagined. Don't need the federal government and can resist at state and local levels.

4/3/2020 5:07:59 PM

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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/us-edits-national-stockpile-website-after-kushner-claims-its-not-for-states/

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"The Trump administration changed the Strategic National Stockpile website's description of the program yesterday after White House adviser Jared Kushner falsely claimed that the medical-supply stockpile is not meant to be used to help states. The description was changed to minimize the stockpile's role in helping states through crises like the current pandemic"

4/3/2020 5:51:26 PM

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fired intelligence community inspector general for doing his job

4/3/2020 11:36:05 PM

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I'd be interested in his opinion about the navy captain that got fired cuz of his "letter" about a ship full sailors that were dying although they were not at "war" with anybody.

4/4/2020 2:40:58 AM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/05/worst-president-ever/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

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"Government officials were delivering similar warnings directly to Trump. A team of Post reporters wrote on Saturday: “The Trump administration received its first formal notification of the outbreak of the coronavirus in China on Jan. 3. Within days, U.S. spy agencies were signaling the seriousness of the threat to Trump by including a warning about the coronavirus —the first of many—in the President’s Daily Brief.” But Trump wasn’t listening."


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"The Post article is the most thorough dissection of Trump’s failure to prepare for the gathering storm. Trump was first briefed on the coronavirus by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar on Jan. 18. But, The Post writes, “Azar told several associates that the president believed he was ‘alarmist’ and Azar struggled to get Trump’s attention to focus on the issue.” When Trump was first asked publicly about the virus, on Jan. 22, he said, “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China.”

In the days and weeks after Azar alerted him about the virus, Trump spoke at eight rallies and golfed six times as if he didn’t have a care in the world."

4/5/2020 2:19:52 PM

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I'm frustrated because too many people have concluded that this is only bad because of Trump which means replacing Trump will be the only thing that changes after this whole thing.

The media is sensationalist (of course) and misleads people into thinking the problem is uniquely bad here by cramming stat totals down our throats. I wish more people could see stat comparisons.(below)

The UK waited much much longer before doing anything. Sweden hasn't done anything. I just found out from Jeh Johnson today that the president doesn't even have the power to issue a national stay at home order but you'd never know that from the media. Its a hindsight 20/20 situation to say that "We knew about this in January and did nothing". Yeah we knew about it but we didn't know it would be a pandemic. Even knowing about it, theres a lot of different ways you can approach it.

Deaths per 1M

USA 29
UK 73
Sweden 40
Belgium 125
Spain 266
France 124
Italy 263
Netherlands 103
Denmark 31
Switzerland 83

I've always looked up to countries on the list for how they take care of their people and most of these countries outperform the USA in every other metric. If the USA response was failing relative to the rest of the world, you would not expect it to be outperforming any of these countries but somehow it is outperforming most of these countries. Sure, these numbers will shift as Italy and Switzerland are much further along but the UK is not as far along as we are.

I know most people don't have access to these numbers because the media doesn't show them (you have to go get them yourself), but given these numbers I don't see how anyone, at this point, could say the USA has definitively failed at responding to COVID-19.

I use this same kind of logic when saying if every other country can provide healthcare/education etc, then we should also. Well that logic should work both ways. If sufficient information was out there to prevent all of this, and every other peer country failed to respond adequately, then our failure is not unique and more indicative of something happening amongst leadership throughout western society and not at all unique to Trump.

4/5/2020 4:39:47 PM

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"I'd be interested in his opinion about the navy captain that got fired cuz of his "letter" about a ship full sailors that were dying although they were not at "war" with anybody."


For a ship full of dying sailors, not a single one has required hospitalization. Maybe he was on a boat that got overrun with SARS in 2013 and remembered how miserable it was to try to operate through that, but he shouldn't have leaked the email to others.

4/5/2020 5:48:11 PM

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Earl is frustrated because COVID-19 hurts Trump, who he actually likes.

Anyway, this is just one example of many I’ve read on why in still early stages of outbreak per-capita is actually not the best way to measure how a country responded and/or was prepared or where we’ll end up.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1242904596856614912?s=21

And of all Earls bizarre takes, arguing why American media entities are focusing on America and not Sweden or Switzerland is just galaxy brain stuff.

4/5/2020 6:16:23 PM

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Notice how as soon as facts are presented that don't go along with the preordained narrative, its straight to ad-hominem. Anyone who shows facts that don't condemn trump HAS to be Earl AND a Trump fan.
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Here’s the problem with per-capita stats for coronavirus:
• Switzerland has seen ~same pace of outbreak as everywhere else, but its per-cap figure is higher coz it has a low population
• Note "major country" in tweet. Include all countries? Iceland & Luxembourg go top
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Adam Parsons
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Exactly a month after its first case was diagnosed, Switzerland now has more Coronavirus cases, per capita, than any other major country in the world, including Italy and Spain."

That tweet is short and doesn't explain much but is CLEARLY referring to how differences in confirmed cases only indicate differences in the amount of testing as well as who is tested when. That is exactly why I use deaths per capita and not cases per capita. With that said, we have tested at a similar rate of the Netherlands and about twice the rate of France and UK. That means, when they catch up to us in testing, they would likely see relative jumps in confirmed cases.

And the last part of your post would be kinda reasonable if the media wasn't constantly talking about two other countries; South Korea and Italy. They are talking about South Korea because they responded well and were well-prepared and Italy to scare people by telling them thats where we are headed.

[Edited on April 5, 2020 at 7:14 PM. Reason : facts matter until you don't like the facts]

4/5/2020 7:13:04 PM

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It’s not actually. And it’s in the tweet chain.

If you don’t want to read it that’s fine.

4/5/2020 7:56:40 PM

moron
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Trump stepped in front of fauci and told him not to answer a question on chloroquine

This us such a strange hill to die on... why can’t they just say let the decision be between a doctor and patient? So strange

4/5/2020 8:51:08 PM

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It’s obviously a grift. Whether it’s only Rudy or Trump and Rudy who are profiting we will eventually know.

4/5/2020 9:06:48 PM

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I think it's Sharpiegate 2.0 and not a grift.

4/5/2020 9:20:56 PM

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The New York Times: Has Anyone Found Trump’s Soul? Anyone?.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/opinion/trump-coronavirus-empathy.html

4/6/2020 9:27:25 AM

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Quote :
"It’s not actually. And it’s in the tweet chain.

If you don’t want to read it that’s fine."

I had no idea it was a thread which actually highlights the bigger problem and kinda explains everything. We have one person who narrates the data to inform their own opinions and another person who has to go searching for gymnastics on twitter to get a narrative from a journalist. When the data changes, my opinion changes but you just search for new ways to make the data fit your opinion.

Was that the best way to justify ignoring the data comparisons?
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"higher per-capita numbers just mean smaller country, not anything different about how that country’s dealing with covid."

This assumes that there haven't been outbreaks in many states. COVID-19 outbreak isn't kept in NYC, its spread into every state with community spread in many With the exception of the NY area, the american outbreaks have mostly been small. There will likely be some more hotspots but theres also examples like California where its been handled exceptionally better than many of those other countries.

Not only that, the gymnastics was too much for you to explain yourself so you had to just drop a link. In reality, I'm not even on here, I'm on twitter debating with a finance journalist about whether or not we should ignore data that doesn't fit his views.

I knew this day was coming and called it. Its exactly why I asked everyone to put out a metric before everything got going. I posted the same thing on bitcoinforum btw to also catch MAGA folks from moving the goalposts

[Edited on April 6, 2020 at 11:13 AM. Reason : he MAGA folks and the TDS folks use the same tactics]

4/6/2020 11:07:00 AM

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Posted this in shitshat too:

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"You know what though? At the end of the day, the majority of Americans aren't going to know someone that passed away from it. We've all been affected financially and socially, but I bet the general public....those that don't follow politics and read articles like ^, are going to view our government's response as a positive, even though it has been a shitshow.

My money right now is on Trump getting re-elected, partially due to the governments perceived response. I know that's bonkers, but not a whole lot has bade since politically since 2016."

4/6/2020 11:43:53 AM

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what data can you point to that supports your claim of Trump winning re-election “partially due to the governments perceived response”?

4/6/2020 1:43:47 PM

thegoodlife3
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set em up

4/6/2020 1:45:00 PM

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