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thegoodlife3
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" My money right now is on Trump getting re-elected, partially due to the governments perceived response. I know that's bonkers, but not a whole lot has bade since politically since 2016.""



what data can you point to that supports your claim of Trump winning re-election “partially due to the governments perceived response”?

4/6/2020 1:45:42 PM

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No data. Just a gut feeling.

Most of the people I live around are ready for the economy to open back up and they are hoping he does so soon. They all think he's done a great job.

And its not like I live in a trailer park, which I'm sure is where you think most Trump voters come from.

4/6/2020 2:14:59 PM

thegoodlife3
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" a trailer park, which I'm sure is where you think most Trump voters come from."




unlike you, I like to relay on data, and not my gut

why do you think that I think that most Trump voters come from trailer parks?

4/6/2020 2:27:35 PM

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lol, shut the fuck up

4/6/2020 3:30:53 PM

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Biden is probably a SLIGHT favorite right now if you look at polling. Trumps “rally the flag” bump was really tepid and all but retreated already and Biden has had some decent state level polling recently (in WI, MI, FL, AZ and even GA).

Though if I’m betting I wouldn’t put money on him since Trump has incumbency and way, way more fundraising $.

4/6/2020 6:10:46 PM

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The fact that Biden doesn't have the energy or cognitive ability to be a strong vocal critic representing the opposing party is a major red flag. He's already been MeToo'd, and Trump will politically capitalize on that, hypocrisy be damned. This should be Biden's moment to raise his profile and provide Americans (all of whom are at home right now) a vision for a better tomorrow. But he's not, because he A) Doesn't have a substantive message, and B) Can't go more than 5 minutes without breaking down and blue-screening. This is a disaster for Dems.

Anyone who thinks this is a cakewalk for Biden is a fool, in my opinion. Don't fall for the belief that data is non-partisan or not ideologically driven. And if there is any political party that should have been humbled by relying too heavily on data without any introspection, it should have been the Democratic Party after 2016.

[Edited on April 6, 2020 at 6:23 PM. Reason : ]

4/6/2020 6:21:58 PM

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Mental acuity aside, he doesn’t go after them because he likes them and thinks he can work with them.

It’s like he complete forgot the entirety of his VP term. Mitch fucking McConnell doesn’t want to work with you Joe. He wants you to die and dance on your grave.

4/6/2020 6:45:17 PM

utowncha
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Bluescreen Biden is a good one.

4/6/2020 6:54:09 PM

JesusHChrist
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He also doesn't fundamentally disagree with them. He wants the same policies of privatization and crippling austerity, but packaged in softer terms.

4/6/2020 6:59:10 PM

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uh oh. watch out earl

4/6/2020 7:00:43 PM

JesusHChrist
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pardon?

Liberal capitalists have a pretty terrible track record when it comes to opposing emerging fascism. That's not a wild or speculative statement, it's an historical observation.

4/6/2020 8:50:16 PM

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It shouldn’t need to be stated that a full throated critique of Democrats in general and Biden specifically is absolutely warranted and necessary.

It’s easy to do that without reflexively also being anti-anti Trump and signal boosting ethno-nationalists like Tucker Carlson.

[Edited on April 6, 2020 at 9:57 PM. Reason : ^^]

4/6/2020 9:57:02 PM

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Biden sucks. Full stop.

Trump is a malignant, inoperable brain tumor and we have like a week to leave.

Tough choice!

4/6/2020 10:30:55 PM

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Pete Navarro was trying to warn trump about corona back in January. Trump straight up ignored his trade advisor and pandemic experts for almost 3 months on coronavirus.

4/7/2020 12:15:24 AM

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Can you imagine the shitstorm if Trump suddenly locked everyone down in the midst of impeachment? All as a preemptive act against an upcoming pandemic that no other country was responding to.

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"It’s easy to do that without reflexively also being anti-anti Trump a"

because you actually help Trump by automatically blaming everything on him. His list of bad is long enough that you shouldn't have to do that.

[Edited on April 7, 2020 at 12:44 AM. Reason : blind anti-trumpness is literally the only thing fueling him]

4/7/2020 12:41:24 AM

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^^ And now Navarro is literally screaming at Fauci about chloroquine.

4/7/2020 12:50:15 AM

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Someone shared a Breitbart article on FB, something about how the numbers aren't going to be nearly as high as predicted. Didn't read the article, but I did check out all the comments. It's sad and scary to see how many people believe that the social distancing, shutdowns, etc, are all a ploy to end Trump's re-election hopes. I can't count how many times I read "deep state."

4/7/2020 1:01:07 PM

utowncha
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dont worry, we're gonna get The Hague on this, yall

4/7/2020 1:08:43 PM

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"Someone shared a Breitbart article on FB, something about how the numbers aren't going to be nearly as high as predicted. Didn't read the article, but I did check out all the comments. It's sad and scary to see how many people believe that the social distancing, shutdowns, etc, are all a ploy to end Trump's re-election hopes. I can't count how many times I read "deep state.""


send them a link to the article about wisconsin and the supreme court. it will set their mind at ease to know that it's their side rigging elections.

4/7/2020 1:19:44 PM

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I'm actually starting to hear people question the death count now that they are realizing its not as bad as they expected it would be.

4/7/2020 1:35:20 PM

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I’ve posted it before but there were like 2500 deaths (don’t quote me exactly on this) attributed at the time to H1N1. The 14,000 is only after years of studies and attribution on causes of death.

I don’t see why the situation wouldn’t be the same here. Spain and Italy both reported hospital deaths solely per their own reporting. So far we have COVID19 reported deaths where H1N1 (and Spanish Flu if you want to go back that far) are estimated deaths.

(Also, in terms of fatalities we unfortunately aren’t close to the peak yet, even in NYC)

[Edited on April 7, 2020 at 2:29 PM. Reason : Two different numbers]

4/7/2020 2:26:14 PM

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Remember that time Obama fired all those IGs?

4/7/2020 2:38:00 PM

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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1247552139402055681?s=21

Link in this tweet for more color on counts vs estimates

4/7/2020 3:12:40 PM

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"I’ve posted it before but there were like 2500 deaths (don’t quote me exactly on this) attributed at the time to H1N1. The 14,000 is only after years of studies and attribution on causes of death."


What's interesting about this is how the stats are manipulated. We are already over 10,000 confirmed deaths, but there will be many deaths that are directly caused by Covid-19 that will go unaccounted for. You can juke the stats by:

A) Not sufficiently testing, which we are already seeing
B) By bumping deaths attributed to secondary conditions like pneumonia, complications from diabetes, respiratory failure, etc.
C) Similar to B above, by not attributing deaths at home to Covid-19. I think I read somewhere that in NYC alone, something like 50 calls are made on average for a death that occurs at home every day. That number has shot up to over 200 (I can't recall the numbers if someone can source this). So the remaining delta can be reasonably estimated to be Covid-19 deaths, but they may also go un-accounted for.

Interestingly, this is also how civilian death rates in US backed war zones are kept artificially low (all military aged males 16+ are automatically classified as enemy combatants unless they can be posthumously exonerated, which is something that is incredibly difficult to do) Signature strikes are also a method where behavioral patterns (like driving to and from a certain place) are enough to classify someone as a combatant even without any further proof. So while it's pretty hard statistically to make a body disappear, it is fairly easy to re-classify the cause of death to protect those in power.

So while a historical account for this crisis may be fairly accurate after extensive investigation (and likely much higher than whatever number we settle on), the numbers that the public will internalize during this episode will most certainly be framed by the political motivations of those in power. So 100,000-200,000 dead will be declared a victory (even though it is not), and the under-reporting of the deaths will likely be manipulated to fall within this arbitrary threshold to protect the current administration.

And voila. There you have it. Data being cynically deployed to meet the agenda of those in power.

[Edited on April 7, 2020 at 4:08 PM. Reason : ]

4/7/2020 3:57:55 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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This might be relevant to point C in the post above:

https://twitter.com/GwynneFitz/status/1247472844549828608

[Edited on April 7, 2020 at 4:39 PM. Reason : ]

4/7/2020 4:39:30 PM

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"I'm actually starting to hear people question the death count now that they are realizing its not as bad as they expected it would be."



I'm actually starting to see morons that believe we've already seen the worst of it.

4/7/2020 5:22:07 PM

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https://twitter.com/tamarakeithnpr/status/1247649740377985026?s=21

Lol. Two guys just forgetting what they said thirty seconds before is coming for us in October.

4/7/2020 6:18:40 PM

horosho
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Looks like Trump owns stake in the maker of the drug he's touting. Its not much stake but keep in mind that thats just whats public. Public information is only the tip of the iceberg for what a billionaire has in trusts and foreign/concealed investments.

4/7/2020 9:04:19 PM

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Gotta make up for all that money his resorts are losing.

[Edited on April 7, 2020 at 9:28 PM. Reason : Shmillionaire]

4/7/2020 9:25:02 PM

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kind of amazing how politically motivated firing of these career employees , inspectors general none the less, barely registers now, this would have been a huge scandal under anyone else.

Not to mention hiring a practically openly racist person for press secretary.

4/8/2020 12:26:11 AM

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I'm not too worried about those career employees. When we get an adult back in the office, I'm sure many of them can get their job back.

4/8/2020 8:44:43 AM

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Nobodies worried about them being unemployed, jeez. I mean, sucks for them, but the problem is he is dismantling all internal checks on his power, not to mention crippling the functionality of the government.

4/8/2020 8:59:35 AM

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^^ this is how dictators work, this isn’t dissimilar from how Putin took power.

Whether trump wants lifetime power or not he wants to be able to use government for his own personal prestige and gain, which means throwing democracy out the window, which is what happens when oversight is dismantled and career employees aren’t credible.

[Edited on April 8, 2020 at 10:21 AM. Reason : ]

4/8/2020 10:20:14 AM

rjrumfel
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I will vote for the person who promises to bring those checks back.

I hope we get someone that will...

4/8/2020 10:29:36 AM

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^It may be silly (or it may not), but as the days go on, I'm worried we may not have that option in the future. As moron mentioned above, he and his administration do things on the daily that would have been big deals/huge scandals in the past. We really seem to be creeping towards fascism/dictatorship.

4/8/2020 10:46:06 AM

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" Looks like Trump owns stake in the maker of the drug he's touting."


Is this actually true? I heard it was a mutual fund that had a small exposure to the pharma company. I’d imagine, like most people with mutual funds he would have had no clue.

There is a world of difference between owning a mutual fund that might have a company in it to dumping and pumping like Loefler did.

[Edited on April 8, 2020 at 11:38 AM. Reason : X]

4/8/2020 11:38:04 AM

thegoodlife3
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" I will vote for the person who promises to bring those checks back.

I hope we get someone that will..."


I would hope that this is the easiest vote ever with zero conditions

4/8/2020 11:46:23 AM

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^^ I read it is around $1000 exposure through the mutual fund, so he is not touting it because that would make him rich, because it wouldn't.

There MUST be some other way he would profit/benefit off of it. I read somewhere, but can't find it now, that one of his friends who contributed to his previous campaign has a large number of shares, and so now one motivation is that he is trying to rally the share price up perhaps to help his friend so he can contribute again, and other such nefarious scenarios. He HAS to have a reason.

For whatever reason, the share price of Novartis tanked from an all-time high of CHF 96 on 2/19/20 to CHF 70 on 3/12/20. Last time it was that low was in Sep 2018.

Now it up at CHF 83.

4/8/2020 12:09:19 PM

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"By bumping deaths attributed to secondary conditions like pneumonia, complications from diabetes, respiratory failure, etc.
C) Similar to B above, by not attributing deaths at home to Covid-19. I think I read somewhere that in NYC alone, something like 50 calls are made on average for a death that occurs at home every day. That number has shot up to over 200 (I can't recall the numbers if someone can source this). So the remaining delta can be reasonably estimated to be Covid-19 deaths, but they may also go un-accounted for."


The deaths attributed to pneumonia have plummeted in the last two months, so it's likely the stats are being juked in the opposite direction than you're implying.

Your assumption that the 150 deaths at home per day delta can be attributed to Covid-19 is wrong also - people are just flat out avoiding hospitals at all costs right now because they think they're a surefire way to get sick. People are probably trying to tough out things that normally would be a no-brainer trip to the ER.

4/8/2020 12:11:15 PM

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I mean, shouldn’t those deaths be attributed to the pandemic too?

Hurricane deaths aren’t limited to those that get sucked in to some vortex.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5818346/

Section 2 of this sort of speaks to my point

[Edited on April 8, 2020 at 12:15 PM. Reason : X]

4/8/2020 12:13:44 PM

utowncha
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this new press secretary is a doozy

4/8/2020 1:38:36 PM

horosho
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People that were going to die anyway may or may not be counted. The thing is, these problems are not unique to the US and are numbers should still apply relative to other countries. I see no reason why not.

4/8/2020 1:42:50 PM

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"The deaths attributed to pneumonia have plummeted in the last two months, so it's likely the stats are being juked in the opposite direction than you're implying."


Do you have anything to back this up?

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"Your assumption that the 150 deaths at home per day delta can be attributed to Covid-19 is wrong also - people are just flat out avoiding hospitals at all costs right now because they think they're a surefire way to get sick. People are probably trying to tough out things that normally would be a no-brainer trip to the ER."


If a person dies from a preventable illness due to hospitals being stressed beyond capacity due to Covid-19, then that death can be attributed to the pandemic, because this is exactly the type of scenario that healthcare professionals warned us about, and it's one of the primary reasons we are all working from home right now.

4/8/2020 1:44:44 PM

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We always knew Trump was a good [4D] chess player!!!

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1248035479993421834

4/9/2020 2:08:13 AM

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^oh god, Fox News is hitting a new level of cringe every day



https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/new-document-shows-inadequate-distribution-of-personal-protective-equipment-and
The Federal response is even worse than I thought and there is a strong chance this is the tip of the ice berg. Trump is going to be throwing all manner of officials under the bus for the next 6 months, hopefully some of the officials return the favor.

4/9/2020 6:24:19 AM

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In any normal administration, Peter Navarro would be nowhere near any position let alone one with immense influence.

Jared Kushner literally found him reading Amazon book reviews.

^ to be fair, even as the news has gotten better his COVID-19 approval rating has plummeted. America really does realize he was uniquely unsuited today deal work something like this.

[Edited on April 9, 2020 at 8:08 AM. Reason : X]

4/9/2020 8:06:51 AM

rjrumfel
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^^That document was prepared by the deep state.

4/9/2020 8:17:40 AM

Pupils DiL8t
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/07/trump-mining-moon-executive-order

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"The world may be racked by the coronavirus, but Donald Trump has less earthly concerns on his mind, too, after signing an executive order encouraging the US to mine the moon for minerals.

The executive order makes clear that the US doesn't view space as a 'global commons', opening the way for the mining of the moon without any sort of international treaty."


4/9/2020 10:16:35 AM

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Not sure how I feel about the moon order, I see both sides of it.

4/10/2020 10:12:33 AM

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^^

'Tis the American way. You see, you like, you take. Land, people, oil, heavenly bodies, whatever.

4/10/2020 10:49:04 AM

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