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0EPII1
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Trump basically says that it is Fox News's job to get him reelected (by complaining that they are not doing anything to help him get reelected).

Wow, just wow.

Even some Fox News anchors are dragging him over the coals for that tweet. Replies to his tweets (within article) worth reading.

https://www.comicsands.com/trump-fox-news-help-reelected-2646067256.html

5/23/2020 3:58:40 PM

NyM410
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It’s so god damn weird to have Alex Jones be president and no one in power on either side or the media cares. Just normalized, sanitize and move on.

This country and it’s constitution are just so beyond repair it’s sad.

5/24/2020 6:42:30 PM

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Twitter doing more than they've ever done, but still what should be the bare minimum, and adding a fact check to his tweets about vote my mail being fraudulent

5/26/2020 7:31:58 PM

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I hope he threatens to quit etc

5/26/2020 8:48:14 PM

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Twitter or the Presidency?

5/26/2020 9:04:00 PM

horosho
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Thats only going to backfire when twitter gets one "fact check" wrong. My friend who makes a lot of activist posts just posted a video and IG marked it as "graphic or obscene content". I had to click a special label just to view the post and it was only a video from the woods saying "I just want everyone to have a nice day and enjoy nature"

One mishap like that and you do more harm by losing credibility and allowing people who believe fake stuff to call bullshit on all of your labels going forward.

5/26/2020 9:09:33 PM

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Seriously? They do shit already FOH for real

5/26/2020 10:42:12 PM

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Remember when deplatforming milo was supposed to backfire?

Flagging trumps tweets is only going to make people on twitter realize all the nutty things trump has been tweeting.

5/27/2020 1:30:08 AM

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"One mishap like that and you do more harm by losing credibility and allowing people who believe fake stuff to call bullshit on all of your labels going forward."


This is stupid. You don’t cater to people who don’t give a fuck anyway. Twitter should do the best they can and if mistakes are made then recognize and correct.

Fuck trying to make a group of people happy who will never be happy.

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 6:27 AM. Reason : It’s also the bare fucking minimum twitter can do]

5/27/2020 6:26:48 AM

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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1265601611310739456?s=21

Lol, there it is. Fuck these snowflakes and stop giving them an inch. They’ll demand a foot, then a mile.

But he’s right, Article II says “you cant talk back to the king; it’s a violation of the monarchs free speech. Especially you, Dorsey and Zuckerberg.”

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 7:39 AM. Reason : X]

5/27/2020 7:38:43 AM

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I forgot they already did this just from left of Trump
https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1265610698408833031?s=19
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"Hey remember when Facebook censored @ProjectLincoln for making a claim their fact checker *incorrectly* deemed false?

Now they’re refusing to do the same AGAIN when Trump makes *entirely* false statements.

#Trumpbook really has gone all in for him."


"liberal" social media (and regular media) is so paranoid about offending far right but will police the left nonstop

5/27/2020 9:08:23 AM

bbehe
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Shit, leftists are already typically more aggressive to policing the Dems than Republicans.

5/27/2020 9:24:42 AM

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I can't tell what that has to do with the topic of social media moderation and I can't tell if you agree or disagree with the post

5/27/2020 9:52:33 AM

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So his latest tweet basically laid down the line that if the Democrats win the general, it is because they cheated.

I hope they turn it back on him.

5/27/2020 10:20:09 AM

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He's been saying that since 2016

5/27/2020 10:25:00 AM

rjrumfel
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SMH

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265601611310739456

State run media, here we come!

5/27/2020 10:29:26 AM

NyM410
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He won’t do shit. It’s just more grievance politics, also know as the GOP since Reagan.

5/27/2020 10:30:47 AM

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social media is a utility!!1

5/27/2020 10:51:32 AM

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Bring back the fairness doctrine!

5/27/2020 10:55:44 AM

0EPII1
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So which of his tweets have been fact-checked and labeled false by Twitter? One of his tweets is complaining of that, but I can't find the checked tweets.

5/27/2020 1:18:10 PM

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Think the one saying joe Scarborough murder an aide

5/27/2020 1:19:06 PM

rwoody
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No it's a vote by mail tweet. I made the struggle to scroll through his tweets yesterday


Here you go don't call me a hero
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265255835124539392?s=19

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 1:25 PM. Reason : E]

5/27/2020 1:24:08 PM

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Yeah linking to a post that says 'trump is wrong, according to CNN and WAPO ' will show Trump! Theres no way that will fire up his base or make them angry at CNN and WAPO instead of Trump! The rest of right twitter will be reluctant to retweet anything twitter flags and certainly won't think there is a massive deepstate/bigtech collaboration against them. Republicans will come to realize they may as well abandon Trump and stick to CNN and WAPO for trustworthy news.

I don't get why you would try to make a big move like this now when Trump is losing. Just punt when you have a big lead and don't risk a turnover that can give the other team a spark.

5/27/2020 1:34:13 PM

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Has twitter talked about this new...feature?

5/27/2020 1:43:25 PM

rjrumfel
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If Twitter really cared, they would just ban him. Altogether. Whenever a new account popped up (TheReallyRealDonaldTrump, TheRealDonaldTrump2020) ban it.

But they're not going to do that, they get way too much publicity from having him as a user.

5/27/2020 3:40:37 PM

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That kinda defeats the purpose of twitter which is to give people a place to say whats on their mind. That doesn't mean you're only supposed to post things that can be substantiated by CNN and WAPO. Twitter shouldn't be running their platform like a scientific journal. Someone could easily make a new twitter if they start banning anything they disagree with. This isn't China.

Also, forced silence and censorship is a failing strategy. You defeat ignorance by educating the ignorant, not through silencing of their voice.

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 3:49 PM. Reason : o]

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 3:50 PM. Reason : censoring only gives the voices you are censoring a greater sense of validation.]

5/27/2020 3:47:35 PM

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Okay, then do it

5/27/2020 3:48:27 PM

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"Theres no way that will fire up his base or make them angry at CNN and WAPO instead of Trump!"


Who gives a shit about his base?

5/27/2020 4:05:05 PM

horosho
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Mastodon and Reddit are already lurking. Twitter knows this, and they know if they start overpolicing, people will move. They know they aren't guaranteed to stay on top forever.

The notion that not allowing people to say bad opinions would make those opinions go away is such a bad notion. Its so poorly thought through that you'd almost think the people pushing it don't really care if the opinions go away and just want them back under the rug.

You'd almost think those people have applied that same thinking to the Trump presidency in general. That they don't want to actually fight root causes, and just want the loud mouths to be quiet so we can go back to pretending these problems aren't here.

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 4:05 PM. Reason : ^the outcome of the election]

5/27/2020 4:05:20 PM

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You think a fact checked tweet is going to drive his base turnout?? His base is that for a reason, they'll be there regardless.

5/27/2020 4:20:22 PM

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My reasons for banning Trump from Twitter would be completely childish at this point. He's threatening a private company for which he hasn't paid a red cent to use. He agreed to the same T's and C's everybody did who has a Twitter account.

5/27/2020 4:21:40 PM

horosho
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I mean more broadly than his "ride or dies" but am not including people who aren't already inclined to vote for him anyway. Basically mainstream republicans.

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 4:26 PM. Reason : the base expands and contracts based on enthusiasm. trump uses manufactured shit like this to boost ]

5/27/2020 4:24:48 PM

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"You think a fact checked tweet is going to drive his base turnout?? His base is that for a reason, they'll be there regardless."


There is a ton of truth to this. It makes one wonder what's gonna happen leading up to the days where Trump eventually leaves his office.

5/27/2020 4:28:32 PM

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Real Americans don’t like Trump but because Twitter added a linked line to its stories feature millions and millions felt forced to have to vote for him.

As we know, only Pelosi Dems have agency.

5/27/2020 5:28:20 PM

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No Pelosi dems are the same except they use the media for their showmanship instead of a single figure. Its all about passion and works the same way on both sides. Thats why Biden is winning right now. The COVID crash combined with Trump doing dumb stuff has created enthusiasm in people who otherwise would have none. That doesn't mean these people aren't already inclined to vote democrat or that they are in love with Biden. It just means they are more likely to show up now because they heard a narrative that made them feel called.

The media and tech companies can help turn the tide by becoming the bigger monster for republicans who lack enthusiasm right now because they don't like Trump. I couldn't think of a better narrative for them than "the elites are coming for your constitution"

Its just like the cliche that a despot would start an external war to unit the citizens and avoid an internal conflict. Its a cliche people have no problem applying to Kim's when the media feeds it to them with no basis.

Trump does it all the time except his base republican voters are the "internal". He uses the dog whistle (can only be heard by liberals- "the external"). Liberals go nuts (attack), and republicans (who cannot hear the whistle) think "man these liberals are crazy going nuts attacking the president over nothing again. looks like i need to make sure they don't take power".

5/27/2020 6:19:11 PM

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I’m not having this conversation except to say that if you believe Facebook and Twitter are anti-conservative then you are a fucking moron and nothing will change your mind.

Fuck kowtowing to any of those assholes. Nothing will ever be enough.

(This isn’t a post saying that is what you specifically believe. But the people you’re talking about do. I cant say “fuck them” enough).

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 6:23 PM. Reason : And I’m not wasting a second more on bad faith right grievance trolling about social media]

5/27/2020 6:22:30 PM

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TBC, I do actually believe the internet should remain uncensored. People should have space to say whatever they want and if they are saying or threatening crimes, they should be pursued. Just like in the real public domain. People should not be silenced for being wrong. I'm passionate about that because no one absolutely knows what is correct and what is incorrect but someone has to police it. Its a slippery slope.

As for the right, Everything that involves power is "communist drift" to them.

So I agree with most of the things they identify as problems ( because problems are problems) but not the reasons they think they are happening. they claim its all part of a sinister plot to make america "communist" or "like china" (they literally use that phrasing i'm not even exaggerating.) "You can't go outside and now you can't even post on twitter". "Its already here!"

If you are wrong, saying "fuck them" or writing anyone sounding the alarm off as a troll is going to feed into Trump's plan. I just hope that if you lose, you are at least willing to admit the miscalculation after the fact instead of sopping up another round of Russia bullshit.



[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 6:58 PM. Reason : and if they lose, they will swap out russia for china and go at it for 4 years]

5/27/2020 6:56:46 PM

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"That kinda defeats the purpose of twitter which is to give people a place to say whats on their mind. That doesn't mean you're only supposed to post things that can be substantiated by CNN and WAPO. Twitter shouldn't be running their platform like a scientific journal. Someone could easily make a new twitter if they start banning anything they disagree with. This isn't China."


I think there is a level of responsibility to labeling things for what they are. Fake/joke accounts can post whatever they want, celebrities and nobodies have equal right to express an opinion. But for me a line absolutely exists for people who are supposed to be accountable to the public. I think all news sources, medical experts, politicians, etc who have verified accounts should be held to a higher standard.

5/27/2020 6:57:50 PM

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i doubt he actually does it, but apparently we are going to see an "executive order on social media" tomorrow


hell yes, let's do this

5/27/2020 8:29:25 PM

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Zuckerberg Says Twitter Is Wrong to Fact-Check Trump
https://www.newsweek.com/zuckerberg-says-twitter-wrong-fact-check-trump-1506958

Can someone explain how this works? Why is he sucking up to Trump? Why didn't he speak up when Lincoln Project's video was targeted by Twitter for fact-checking?

Also, FB has been doing fact-checking on links posted on its site for a while now, but I guess that's OK, right? What a POS.

Have fun with this, guys:

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"Trump is expected to sign an executive order addressing social media companies on Thursday, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said on Wednesday evening, though she offered no additional details on what the order might say. However, two of Trump's allies in Congress told Newsweek the order may strip Twitter of the special speech liability immunity it receives because of the fact-checking flap."


Zuckershit dragged across the coals:

https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1265793273911750658

[Edited on May 28, 2020 at 5:03 AM. Reason : ]

5/28/2020 5:02:08 AM

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Last night he RTed a video stating "the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat."

5/28/2020 8:14:07 AM

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"If you are wrong, saying "fuck them" or writing anyone sounding the alarm off as a troll is going to feed into Trump's plan. I just hope that if you lose, you are at least willing to admit the miscalculation after the fact instead of sopping up another round of Russia bullshit."


I reiterate. Fuck them and their bad faith horseshit. And fuck anyone who defends them. If I was Jack I’d ban Trump and tell him to fuck off.

And I’m not running for office so I can’t lose.

[Edited on May 28, 2020 at 11:29 AM. Reason : I don’t give a single shit about trumps base. Just do what is right.]

5/28/2020 11:28:58 AM

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I really don't think that in 2020, his base is going to shrink or expand much. I don't see how at this point you're not either for him or against him.

5/28/2020 11:46:16 AM

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https://twitter.com/gabrielmalor/status/1265824825882353664?s=21

This is as good a primer on CDA 230 as I’ve seen.

There will be a tidal wave of disinformation on it being laundered through right wing media and Earl. So give it a look..

5/28/2020 12:25:51 PM

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^^Most of the republicans I know who are against him admit they will still probably vote for him. This is the world of "lesser evil" voting that both parties have nurtured.

5/28/2020 3:06:32 PM

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""I just believe strongly that Facebook shouldn't be the arbiter of truth of everything that people say online. In general, private companies probably shouldn't be, especially these platform companies, shouldn't be in the position of doing that," Zuckerberg added.


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Perino said that Zuckerberg told her that Facebook refuses to intervene in censoring public posts unless there's a threat of imminent harm. She added that Facebook is "hands off" when it comes to political speech."


Yeah fuck this guy and his platforms. Fucked the country hard in 2016 and sounds like they're gonna fuck it hard again in 2020.

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"However, two of Trump's allies in Congress told Newsweek the order may strip Twitter of the special speech liability immunity it receives because of the fact-checking flap.

"Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices. We will strongly regulate, or close them down, before we can ever allow this to happen. We saw what they attempted to do, and failed, in 2016. We can't let a more sophisticated version of that happen again.""


What a bizarro place to ideologically live.

5/28/2020 3:35:50 PM

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I can't really see what trumps endgame is with his social media outrage... seems really dumb overall and I think even republicans see how dumb it is...

5/28/2020 4:20:30 PM

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he's actually making an executive order, because he's mad at twitter.

100,000 people dead from a pandemic, and this is what he leaps into battle for.


why can't this guy have the decency to just piss off already. inherited hundreds of millions of dollars, got away with untold numbers of crimes and failures, could still live a life of luxury for his remaining days but no, that's not enough. he feels the need to take and destroy as much as possible. what a sick human being and waste of a life

5/28/2020 5:23:02 PM

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And here it is:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-preventing-online-censorship/

5/28/2020 5:29:15 PM

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https://twitter.com/jenniferjjacobs/status/1266101160253034504?s=21

Lol, this would mean that Twitter would be essentially liable for posts that were defamatory and potentially factually incorrect. It would literally have the opposite effect of what Trump wants and the public figure who lies the most (Trump) would be the likeliest to see stronger moderation. Of course this isn’t for anything but grievance/outrage signaling so this is the desired outcome.

Basically the right has become the snowflakes and virtue signalers that they projected onto the left.

(Of course this is all moot because an EO is just words on paper when there is actual legislative text as in this case. It’s just performative bullshit).

[Edited on May 28, 2020 at 5:33 PM. Reason : C]

5/28/2020 5:32:38 PM

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