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rjrumfel
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This is not a slap in the face to Trump. This is just a win done by partisan hackery on the part of WaPo. Had they broken the story with enough time for the Republican party to pick another candidate, things very likely would have been different today.

Again, the left is showing how disconnected they are. They better be careful and not let this get them complacent. Which we all know that's what is going to happen. Complacency lost them the presidency in 2016.

12/13/2017 7:29:40 AM

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I don't know that I agree with the part about WaPo or hackery, but I do agree this is not a slap in the face to Trump. This dude literally will win with like 50.0-50.2% of the vote. Given the circumstances, if Moore had run against Hillary he should have lost by 10-15 points. The fact this race was so close just means the Democrats finally got some people to come out and vote. Far as I can tell, Republicans that didn't vote for Moore simply stayed home rather than switch sides.

12/13/2017 9:28:43 AM

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that's how voting works, people rarely cross the aisle

12/13/2017 9:31:46 AM

Cherokee
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right, i just mean this win isn't some type of mandate or shift in alabama's morals which is what you would have thought from his victory speech or some of the headlines covering it

12/13/2017 9:35:43 AM

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^4 glad to see that you’re still you

wow

12/13/2017 9:42:59 AM

dtownral
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could you explain this? how does this election show that?

12/13/2017 10:29:26 AM

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"This is just a win done by partisan hackery on the part of WaPo. Had they broken the story with enough time for the Republican party to pick another candidate, things very likely would have been different today."


JFC, not this "It's a left wing liberal media plot!" shit again. You're basically one step removed from "They're making it all up, it's FAKE NEWS!!!!"

Again, the timing of the Moore teenage predation stories probably has a lot more to do with Moore's September 26th primary win--and his subsequent promotion from Alabama sideshow to someone of national significance--than nefarious plotting by the Post. There was only a little over a month between the primary and the Post's first reporting.

12/13/2017 10:32:31 AM

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"glad to see that you’re still you"


inorite

Jebus

[Edited on December 13, 2017 at 10:58 AM. Reason : can only contain the stupid for so long]

12/13/2017 10:58:10 AM

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^^not to mention that Roy Moore's past wasn't even that much of a guarded secret. He was banned from the local mall FFS. Reporters are looking for Moore stories in these various corners of Alabama and the locals are like "oh yea, I wouldn't let my kid within 10' of that guy."

Where was Luther Strange's oppo research? Why did no one run ads during the primary? Why did Trump/Bannon keep trying to serve up this shit sandwich?

Blamin WAPO for reporting what ended up being one of the most crucial stories in the race is just trying to excuse the failures of Moore, the Alabama GOP, and the alt-right losers that doubled down on Moore.

12/13/2017 11:05:44 AM

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No doubt in my mind that if Roy Moore had been on the ballot in 2016, with all the knowledge of his past, he would have won in a landslide. Because those Alabamans would have been at the ballot box to vote for Trump and would have gladly voted for a child molester since they were already there.

Over 700,000 fewer voters showed up yesterday than did in Alabama for the 2016 vote.

12/13/2017 11:22:31 AM

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Hey thegoodlife3 can you be our point man on Jones' win torpedoing the GOP tax bill?

[Edited on December 13, 2017 at 12:33 PM. Reason : We'll await your updates]

12/13/2017 12:32:15 PM

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Its significant because it proves that the WAPO has been fully weaponized. If they could turn this election by spreading allegations with no tangible evidence, they could potentially turn any election. Trump changed the game in 2016 and WAPO has changed the game in 2017. Its a brave new world.

The empire just tested a political death star that can destroy any politician at once. I wonder if they will try to take down WAPO and if WAPO will scale this strategy.

12/13/2017 12:50:32 PM

thegoodlife3
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^^ you upset that I didn’t put a “potential” in front of it for you?

12/13/2017 12:51:58 PM

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Yeah, the Post has never engaged in investigative journalism in the past that took down a politician. Good point.

Also, the NYT and FOX didn’t post FBI leaks about Clinton last October that turned out to be false.

Brave new world. Never happened.

12/13/2017 12:53:30 PM

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^ you got Earl'd

^^ i'll take that as a yes

[Edited on December 13, 2017 at 12:59 PM. Reason : V yes there are other trolls out there. they too should be ignored.]

12/13/2017 12:55:25 PM

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I mean it’s not like he’s fooling me. I know what he is. But there are people out there who think like him so why not respond?

12/13/2017 12:56:16 PM

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"no tangible evidence"


12/13/2017 12:59:54 PM

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I'm reading -
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"proves that the WAPO has been fully weaponized"


But hearing - "Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!"

[Edited on December 13, 2017 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

12/13/2017 1:42:26 PM

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"Its significant because it proves that the WAPO has been fully weaponized. If they could turn this election by spreading allegations with no tangible evidence, they could potentially turn any election. Trump changed the game in 2016 and WAPO has changed the game in 2017. Its a brave new world.

The empire just tested a political death star that can destroy any politician at once. I wonder if they will try to take down WAPO and if WAPO will scale this strategy."


Who is they? Not all of your theys reference the same thing.

Who is the empire in your analogy?

12/13/2017 2:22:57 PM

dtownral
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the deep state man, they're playing some serious 6 dimension crazy eights!

12/13/2017 2:25:40 PM

rjrumfel
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I said what I said because I read that WaPo unleashed the information the day after the deadline passed for the Republican party to pick a new candidate. My comment was based on that and that alone.

For the record, I harbor no ill will toward WaPo. Fox News is just as egregious. I read WaPo on a daily basis. I just don't agree with what they've done with Moore. It is just too much of a coincidence.

[Edited on December 13, 2017 at 3:14 PM. Reason : asda]

12/13/2017 3:13:46 PM

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https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/12/13/nick-saban-alabama-senate-election-write-votes-roy-moore-doug-jones

12/13/2017 3:14:30 PM

dtownral
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I hear WaPo has a secret time machine and used it to write the note in that one lady's yearbook

12/13/2017 3:23:57 PM

rjrumfel
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Come on man, you know exactly what I mean - Roy Moore had no more sense being in that election than Trump did in the presidential one. What I'm saying is the Republican party of Alabama could have picked a replacement. But no, the country needed a spectacle. And they got it.

12/13/2017 3:33:12 PM

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Would you place more blame on the GOP for not properly vetting a candidate or possibly even knowing about it and hoping no one else found out, or the WAPO for allegedly waiting to release what they'd easily found at the time they did?

12/13/2017 3:47:13 PM

dtownral
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^^
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/11/13/why-now/?utm_term=.8892c4b27e78

(let me know if you still need me to hold your hand through this)

[Edited on December 13, 2017 at 3:50 PM. Reason : .]

12/13/2017 3:47:24 PM

thegoodlife3
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"I said what I said because I read that WaPo unleashed the information the day after the deadline passed for the Republican party to pick a new candidate. My comment was based on that and that alone."


oh?

do you remember where and could you post it?

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this is madness. absolute madness.

[Edited on December 13, 2017 at 4:09 PM. Reason : .]

12/13/2017 3:59:02 PM

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Apparently we don't. Why don't you explicitly state what you believe The Post did.?

12/13/2017 4:10:00 PM

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I run into this problem with my students all the time. They think that just because a source is biased to the right or left of center, it means they can't trust it, even if what is being reporting is fact-based. They also have trouble identifying sponsored content and they often don't even read an article, just the headline. These are community college students though, so I'm not sure what rjrumples' excuse is

[Edited on December 13, 2017 at 4:12 PM. Reason : .]

12/13/2017 4:12:10 PM

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"do you remember where and could you post it?"


I was going to ask the same...

12/13/2017 4:32:33 PM

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"Yeah, the Post has never engaged in investigative journalism in the past that took down a politician. Good point.

Also, the NYT and FOX didn’t post FBI leaks about Clinton last October that turned out to be false.

Brave new world. Never happened.

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Its not new its just a significant escalation. Hit pieces have always been used but this is special because of a unique set of circumstances that made it more impactful on the election outcome. Usually, they use these sorts of things to solidify an election, or end a challenger's momentum (bernie), but this took a deep red state and turned it blue. Thats why the death star analogy is appropriate.

-they used alleged events from 30 years ago which is so long ago and wasn't a story ever before
-they created the story by contacting people who had never actually reported the crimes
-they chose the most unforgivable crime to get the best results
-they intentionally misused the word "pedophile" to get exaggerated results
-they timed the release date for the most damaging impact

They took "hit piece" to an entire new level. When I use the term "weaponized" its because these are strategies similar to terrorists choosing targets that are most impactful and the most damaging time to carry out the attack in a way that will garner the most attention.

I don't care that Moore lost, I hate him and respect Jones, but I don't like the idea of media arms being used to determine elections. It doesn't sit well with me as a person who hopes to someday have democracy. This also strengthens the "anti fake news" movement going forward. We can no longer tell the alt-right that the media isn't "out to get them".
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"Who is they? Not all of your theys reference the same thing.

Who is the empire in your analogy?"

The empire is the establishment and the establishment always uses its media arms' propaganda as a way to hold power. You guys understand this concept well because you diagnose it when it happens in other countries but you can't see it here.

The other "they" that would try to take out the WAPO would be the altright. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

[Edited on December 13, 2017 at 7:13 PM. Reason : KEY DETAIL IS THAT THE WAPO WENT TO THE WOMEN, THE WOMEN DID NOT GO TO WAPO]

12/13/2017 7:04:54 PM

ElGimpy
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So if a reporter hears that a political candidate fondled underage girls against their will they’re not supposed to go to those women to get their side of the story?

12/13/2017 8:10:43 PM

NyM410
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Trump is literally only president because of timed releases of personal emails. It’s rich for anyone to complain about the timing of legally done investigative journalism. And the icon of the alt-right fell for a Schumer sexual assault forgery yesterday so forgive me for not caring about what the alt-right thinks.

12/13/2017 8:13:02 PM

Cherokee
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https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Bolt/Alabama-Senate-Race-Write-in-votes-for-Nick-Saban-may-have-swung-election-112201346

12/13/2017 8:56:24 PM

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If it's true, it's the most Alabama thing ever. When faced with the options of a GOP pedophile, a liberal Democrat, and writing in a god of a FB coach as a protest vote, Alabaman's rescued themselves from themselves.

12/13/2017 9:24:06 PM

rjrumfel
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^^^That is a good point Nym. Thank you for that, rather than piling on me like everyone else. However I would argue that it wasn't the timing of the released emails. It was more like the timing of the Comey letter.

12/13/2017 10:03:27 PM

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He was also piling on you.

How did:

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not clue you you into that fact?

[Edited on December 14, 2017 at 12:04 AM. Reason : We're all still waiting on your source complaining about the WaPo timing, as well responses to everyone who responded to u ITT]

12/14/2017 12:01:39 AM

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"So if a reporter hears that a political candidate fondled underage girls against their will they’re not supposed to go to those women to get their side of the story?"

That's the point. Good journalists are supposed to do it as soon as possible, but they waited until hurting Roy Moore would benefit them. Roy Moore has been a public figure all this time and investigative journalism has also been around all that time. The only thing that changed for them to do the story was that Roy Moore was locked onto the ballot.

Think about the reason we have a statute of limitations. Using a story from 30 years ago, as opposed to 30 days ago makes it almost impossible to prove or defend.

12/14/2017 12:42:10 AM

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In a vacuum where time doesn’t matter, if a reporter hears that this happened is it their responsibility to bring the story to light or ignore it because the women aren’t coming to them?

12/14/2017 7:01:16 AM

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I think it's great that people are just now figuring out that the press is powerful and can influence things like elections, the economy, public policy, and so forth. It must be a scary new world for these people who've had to swallow such a bitter dose of the truth.

12/14/2017 3:18:30 PM

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" piling on me like everyone else"


That's tough love, bro

12/14/2017 6:15:34 PM

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Don't vote for this scum

https://thenextweb.com/insider/2017/12/14/reminder-these-are-the-members-of-congress-that-sold-you-out-to-isps-and-how-much-they-made-doing-it/

12/14/2017 6:40:54 PM

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Thank you for posting that!

Amazing how it's only Republicans.

Though I must note, not all of the Republicans. Walter Jones from Onslow County's district didn't show up on there, thankfully.

Jesus.

12/14/2017 7:44:29 PM

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i dont get why you say that because timing is the whole problem here. "a vacuum where time doesn't matter" what?

12/14/2017 9:21:39 PM

ElGimpy
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It’s a theoretical question, answer it

12/14/2017 10:44:44 PM

tulsigabbard
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It should be obvious that the answer is yes but it makes no sense that you would ask such an off-topic hypothetical when time is literally the only thing that makes this an issue.

I guess that's why you didn't think it was egregious.

12/14/2017 11:15:44 PM

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Ok so now that we’ve agreed they had a responsibility to cover the story regardless of whether the women came to them or not what evidence do you have that they sat on it until just the right moment?

12/14/2017 11:43:32 PM

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How did they find out about it if the women didn't come to them? It happened 30 years ago and Roy Moore has been in office for 25 years.

12/15/2017 12:09:24 AM

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I love how rjrumfel is wildly incapable of responding to anyone who responds to him.

12/15/2017 12:21:03 AM

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People are generally willing to let misbehavior slide if it’s a one time thing, these women were probably irked though that Moore suffered no consequences and was about to become a senator and were probably further irked to find out Moore had victimized many people in a pattern of behavior.

Not surprising seeing him not only get away with being a scum bag but be lionized for it would cause people to come forward.

12/15/2017 1:17:28 AM

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