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rwoody
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^^you are either dumb as hell or your trolling attempts took you too far. Your first paragraph has zero to do with what she said. I'm not even going to attempt to correct you so good luck.

6/25/2020 8:08:22 AM

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Angela Davis statement starts with a bunch of disclaimers about how she thinks neither party will lead us to a better future and will not support either candidate. then she says "BUT" and completely pivots into why we should vote for Biden anyway because:

1. He will allow us to continue to organize and protest (as if that needs the president's blessing)
2. He will actually be amenable to our pressure



Trump and foxnews are always saying what Angela Davis is saying. I brought receipts.

Quote :
"“Biden is a helpless puppet of the radical left. And he’s not radical left. I don’t think he knows what he is any more. But he’s controlled by the radical left”."

-Donald Trump
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"When the chips are down, Biden will always cave to the radical left. He'll always bow to the angry mob"

-Donald Trump

https://www.foxnews.com/media/joe-biden-shift-appeal-far-left-dems-critic
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"“If American politics is moving left, expect Biden to do the same. Biden was often cast as a centrist or a moderate during the Democratic primaries, but those labels don’t really describe his politics that well -- he doesn’t really seem to have any kind of set ideology at all,” Bacon Jr. wrote."

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"Laura Ingraham: If Biden wins, he'll be no more than a 'figurehead' for the radical left"


Do you even watch foxnews? All they talk about is how "amenable" Biden will be to BLM, AOC, and the "radical left" in general.

I don't believe it and am asking for evidence. If no one can provide it, then I'm going to continue to believe it doesn't exist and that this argument is 100% faith based (fear based from FOXNEWS).


[Edited on June 25, 2020 at 11:07 AM. Reason : if what foxnews says is true, i'd definitely be voting for biden so I WANT to believe it]

6/25/2020 11:00:57 AM

rwoody
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Your argument is bad faith and/or poor reading comprehension and/or dumb, so my only response is

No of fucking course I don't watch fox News

6/25/2020 12:15:45 PM

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lol at the idea of Biden being beholden to the 'radical left'. He's always basically been in the center of Dem spectrum. He probably sees himself as a peacemaker among the different factions of the Dems.

These attacks probably would have worked against Bernie because he was a bigger bogeyman for Fox News and their ilk, but for Biden it's laughable

6/25/2020 12:20:19 PM

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Trump is like two interviews away from endorsing Biden.

[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 7:06 AM. Reason : X]

6/26/2020 7:04:56 AM

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"He's going to be your president because some people don't love me"

Seriously, I'm really hard pressed to see Trump's heart being in this. I don't think being President is very 'fun' anymore for him

6/26/2020 7:13:13 AM

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Do we think we'll see him resign before he can lose an election?

Talk about an October surprise.

6/26/2020 8:46:21 AM

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In Clinton/Dole, it was pretty obvious Clinton was going to win, so Republican leaders basically told Senators and Representatives to distance yourself from Dole to survive and started pouring money into downticket races rather than Dole's campaign (https://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/23/us/gop-pushes-congress-strategy-that-shuns-dole.html)

Obviously there are plenty of differences starting with the fact that Dole wasn't the incumbent, but if the RNC realizes in September that Trump isn't going to win, they might make the Senate the priority, especially with talks of removing the filibuster. If Trump feels betrayed, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility he just quits "I'm only losing because the RNC leadership is a bunch of RINOs, so fuck them, I'm taking my ball and going home"

6/26/2020 9:16:16 AM

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So then option 1 for A Tanzanarian's list of how the administration ends?


[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 10:18 AM. Reason : .]

6/26/2020 10:17:43 AM

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^^^ mooch had been saying he would resign. I don’t think it’s likely but far more possible than with any other president

6/26/2020 10:46:32 AM

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Just thought of this crazy scenario... trump says he's going to resign, democrats stay home, trump wins the vote-- who is president?

6/26/2020 12:43:32 PM

bbehe
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Trump. How is that even a question?

6/26/2020 12:47:51 PM

rwoody
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Actually got me thinking, if Trump followed through on resigning AFTER the election, I don't think Pence would automatically be president in January. The republican party would essentially have to nominate someone else to take Trump's place, could easily be the VP but no rule says so. I'm 99% sure this is true for a new president, less sure with an incumbent. Regardless it wouldn't be Biden.


[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 1:20 PM. Reason : Also I think this has a close to zero chance of happening, if he wins he stays]

6/26/2020 1:07:24 PM

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Lol how did 120,000,000 million people die from coronavirus

6/26/2020 1:23:05 PM

bbehe
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What? No.

Ballot access will be secured basically as soon as he gets the nomination. Trump resigning as president from the 2016 elections has zero consequence on the 2020 election. If he resigns after the election, he is still President Elect.

32 States do not allow for faithless electors, so those votes would HAVE to go to Trump. So either Trump becomes President (where he can resign again) or the Electors fails to select a President. If that's the case, the House gets to vote on who becomes President based on their rules.

Pence would still be elected VP by the Senate since they're required to choose from the two people who got the most votes.

6/26/2020 1:24:30 PM

bbehe
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^^ Literally the full quote “Now we have over 120 million dead from COVID, I mean, 120,000 dead from COVID.

6/26/2020 2:03:31 PM

rwoody
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^^use "withdraw" instead of "resign". I'm going by what happens if a pres elect dies. I assume it would be the same as withdrawing after an election.

Apparently both parties have rules that say VP would get it, but that isn't a legal thing it's a party thing.

And this is BEFORE electors vote, if that happened after the vote but before inauguration, the VP would get it by law



[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 2:38 PM. Reason : You can't inaugurate someone against their will... ]

6/26/2020 2:33:46 PM

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Quote :
"You can't inaugurate someone against their will..."


Well no, but the inauguration is ceremonial and pointless to BECOMING President, merely executing the powers of the office. The 20th Amendment states that

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" The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin."


And in Section II

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"Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States"


So your options are

1. Trump elected by the electors and becomes President and is essentially impeached/removed from office on day 1 for failing to execute the oath of office. Pence becomes VP

2. Enough Faithless Electors defect so the House votes who becomes president from either Trump, Biden, or the Lib Candidate. (They can pick from the top 3 I believe). If Trump, we go back to scenario 1.

3. Enough Faithless Electors defect and the House in unable to decide on the President, in which case Pence becomes VP (because he was still voted in) and becomes ACTING President, again, per the 20th

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"then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified."


and the House can vote as many times as it wants to pick a President but still must pick between Trump, Biden, and lucky contestant number 3

Pence can only become President if Trump becomes President and is removed by office, at best, he could become Acting President

[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 2:54 PM. Reason : a]

6/26/2020 2:50:53 PM

rwoody
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Once the house vote for president, he is essentially president, if he resigns his VP steps in. It's the same as death.

Bw electors and house is a big question mark

Faithless elector laws are toothless and I can't find if any have a mechanism for death or WITHDRAWAL. Many of the laws claim the vote would be canceled but that may not be constitutional, per the SC.

Parties, however, have rules that say their electors should vote for the VP. If it was cut and dried they wouldn't waste their time. Obviously electors could also ignore those rules too...

Good column
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/16/what-happens-if-us-presidential-candidate-withdraws-or-dies-before-election-is-over-part-1/

[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 3:16 PM. Reason : E]

6/26/2020 3:09:35 PM

bbehe
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Your point seems to be bouncing around quite a lot, what exactly are you trying to say here?

6/26/2020 3:21:58 PM

rwoody
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I didn't have a point I was just curious what would happen. I didn't expect a debate.

If my first post was read as correcting you, that's on me, not my intent

[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 3:43 PM. Reason : E]

6/26/2020 3:38:34 PM

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