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I would have phrased that another way than what moron did but from the article.

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"Other recollections from former staffers corroborated things she has described publicly, such as Biden’s use of the Senate gym and a supervisor admonishing her for dressing inappropriately."


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"A woman who worked with Reade, but who spoke to the NewsHour on the condition she not be named, said she remembers Reade mentioning that she was scolded for her attire and that Reade asked her if it was a legitimate complaint. That coworker and two other staffers who worked with Reade said they believe she was not appropriately dressed for work."


So she was bad at her job and dressed inappropriately, it isn't surprising she got fired/terminated/resigned/quit/whatever the story is.

How she dressed in the office is relevant when discussing her employment status and why it changed. It isn't relevant when discussing the sexual assault claim.

[Edited on May 15, 2020 at 11:53 AM. Reason : a]

5/15/2020 11:52:16 AM

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if she stood out in the office for dressing inappropriately, biden might have taken this as a sign he could assault her

5/15/2020 11:52:57 AM

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jesus

5/15/2020 11:56:24 AM

bbehe
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I was wrong, moron was saying something radically different than what I thought

5/15/2020 12:07:28 PM

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Yeah, moron is reading a lot into that portion of the article.

5/15/2020 12:56:14 PM

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This Tara reade thing is the main thing that stops me from publicly advocating for Biden at this point. If he did it that’s a serious thing. Obviously I don’t think anyone should vote for trump but I’m not going to ask anyone to vote for an unrepentant sexual assaulter.

However Biden isn’t like trump or Clinton. His creepy hair smelling i think is not sexual he’s just a weirdo. He did dogpile on Anita hill (which he’s apologized for) but his staff is saying that after that he was very sensitive in how women were treated in his office. Otherwise Biden has no history of being lascivious that’s I know of.

There’s solid reasons to believe reade is not giving an accurate picture, but there’s not anything so far that makes it clear she’s lying.

5/15/2020 1:12:56 PM

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"He did dogpile on Anita hill (which he’s apologized for)"


Not really though

5/15/2020 1:38:04 PM

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The PBS article is a decent.

It doesn’t mean Reade is lying and we all know that one (or even 60) persons positive interactions with a man doesn’t mean any other could not have had an awful one. The takeaway is that it doesn’t seem to be a pattern like some men (Trump, Weinstein, Cosby, etc) have had — but we mostly knew that already.

[Edited on May 15, 2020 at 1:57 PM. Reason : Grammar]

5/15/2020 1:57:12 PM

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so basically theres a sniff /penetration ratio and biden is way further on the sniff end. thats good!

5/15/2020 2:00:30 PM

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^^^
I guess I shouldn’t listen to the Bernie bro’s on Twitter because they definitely overstate Biden’s role in undermining Hill:

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" "That's what makes me mad about the Republicans," Biden said in the June 1992 interview.

"What they do is they put you in a position on so many matters of principle that in order to fight with them and have a chance of winning, you have to either have the ability to go right above the issue, or you've got to do it the way they do it and disregard the rules," he added.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/441408-timeline-a-history-of-the-joe-biden-anita-hill-controversy

5/15/2020 3:40:39 PM

bbehe
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So with the NYMag, Poltico, and PBS stories, I honestly don't even believe Reade's story from last year

5/16/2020 8:24:02 AM

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I feel like you were already there 3+ pages ago tho.

I know I was.

5/16/2020 9:23:26 AM

bbehe
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Nah, I had mostly believed her 2019 story. Now it's just too much evidence against her claims and that's she a con

5/16/2020 9:29:06 AM

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Gotcha

[Edited on May 16, 2020 at 9:54 AM. Reason : I'm not sure on the 2019 one myself but the 2020 one stinks ]

5/16/2020 9:53:32 AM

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i agree but biden will 100% step on the landmine that is criticizing her slutty clothes. how many people does she have total remembering she told them this in the 90s? gotta fuck all them over too.

5/16/2020 10:44:56 AM

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I know it’s hard and rigorous but Ryan Grim really should have done way more vetting on this before using his platform. He’s way too good of a journalist to have basically not vetted anything.

That still doesn’t mean Reade lied (but I think we have a lot of reasons to be skeptical of her) but it’s incredibly irresponsible that this stuff was out there and it should have been part of any story run on this.

5/16/2020 11:52:37 AM

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Both Grim and Halper immediately amplified that one story of the 14 year old girl which was easily disproved. They didn't vet their stories because they're biased as hell.

5/16/2020 12:03:51 PM

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"but biden will 100% step on the landmine that is criticizing her slutty clothes"


I will bet u 5 lafta bucks he doesn't

5/16/2020 12:04:34 PM

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FFS, Trump is up there talking about his accusers being too ugly for him in the first place, and y'all are worried about Biden saying that they used to slut it up in the office.

5/16/2020 12:55:09 PM

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^its asymmetric, but I also get that a lot of people are grossed out by how far the bar has been lowered ..... on everything. So far I've actually been impressed Biden hasn't said some off the cuff misogynist shit about her yet. For a guy who's thing is to basically run his mouth too much and say stupid shit, he's been walking the tight rope on this one pretty well (so far).

^^^^Ryan Grim was also one of the authors that "handled" Reality Winner and he outed Blasely-Ford in an effort to smear Diane Feinstein.

5/16/2020 1:22:02 PM

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i love the whole 'democrats should act more like republicans' angle.

5/16/2020 6:46:33 PM

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I'd settle for them acting like they're actually good at politics every now and again

5/16/2020 6:55:02 PM

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well thats the whole point. democrats adopting shitty traits from republicans... like banjoman suggesting basically "please, biden can say this because trump said that." there are a million examples where democrats think this is why they lose.

i think a better plan is let republicans be shitty because they are shit? but thats just me i guess.

5/16/2020 7:00:02 PM

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^ my comment was more targeted towards how sad and unbalanced the curtain situation is. Trump is winning off of pure hatred and bigotry.

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"^its asymmetric, but I also get that a lot of people are grossed out by how far the bar has been lowered ..... on everything. So far I've actually been impressed Biden hasn't said some off the cuff misogynist shit about her yet."


I've been thinking about the current state of affairs lately. Although most would like to give Trump 100% credit for being so brazen, social networking sites such as FB play a major role in my opinion. The shit that gets circulated around there is soooo putrid that it wouldn't even show up on some hot topics list from an aspiring intern at fox news. And that trash spreads like fire on FB. It provides an amount of motivation, or security, for people to succumb to massive amounts of false information.


[Edited on May 16, 2020 at 7:55 PM. Reason : j]

5/16/2020 7:52:45 PM

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"well thats the whole point. democrats adopting shitty traits from republicans... like banjoman suggesting basically "please, biden can say this because trump said that." there are a million examples where democrats think this is why they lose."


Well yeah I'm not advocating for that. Just meant I wish they would be better at politics, see: turtle face

5/16/2020 8:38:09 PM

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Democrats adopting shitty traits from republicans? Yeah thats what the far left is doing now. But lets placate the uber liberals and lose most rational folks

5/16/2020 9:17:02 PM

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There have been many points in history where political leaders have amassed massive amounts of power through hateful rhetoric and bigotry. It's a system that works. However, there are always checks and balances, and I truly believe that there are people viewing what's currently happening with the Trump ReOpen America protest army and are worried. I am sure that they are thinking of a solution. I don't think that the solution would be to jump in the mud with them, but to find a way to jam it down their throats that the POTUS isn't actually thinking with their best interest in mind.

5/17/2020 1:02:20 PM

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"I really don't know what to say about this. Holy shit. https://t.co/wNAaUIqttn"

5/20/2020 10:39:31 PM

bbehe
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https://mobile.twitter.com/gdigitalzsmooth/status/1263259626675548161

5/21/2020 6:24:02 AM

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I'm not sure that changes anything? That is literally the least you would expect from a Dem president.

5/21/2020 7:26:12 AM

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Do you think the BDS movement is not without criticism?

5/21/2020 7:29:17 AM

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I don’t actually have a great understanding of the BDS movement to be honest but best I can tell Biden’s position is essentially in line with the median position of all Democrats. He’s a bog standard liberal democrat basically across the board over time so this isn’t terribly surprising.

(And yes, I understand why the further left wing hates this and dislikes him for that)

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 7:32 AM. Reason : X]

5/21/2020 7:32:06 AM

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There are a lot of Palestinians who think that BDS has done more harm than good. The PA doesn't even support it.

Biden supports restoring aid to Palestine and called out Israeli policies like annexation.

5/21/2020 7:40:35 AM

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Just to be clear rwoody, you know even Bernie opposes BDS, right?

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 7:49 AM. Reason : a]

5/21/2020 7:48:57 AM

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Call out but do nothing constructive to stop, again the bare minimum. Will he move the embassy back for example?

But the the real point of that tweet is that BDS is about stopping settlements and annexation, what does that have to do with Palestinian choices??

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 7:51 AM. Reason : Ya'll are missing the point, the highlight isn't random]

5/21/2020 7:50:33 AM

bbehe
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So, you aren't going to address whether you think BDS is without criticism?

5/21/2020 7:55:01 AM

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That wasn't the point of the tweet or my post so no

5/21/2020 8:08:52 AM

bbehe
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God forbid you address the organization that is referred to in the tweet you posted.

5/21/2020 8:11:02 AM

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The tweet isn't BDS and Biden's lack of support, it's about implying Palestinian choices are to blame for their situation.

5/21/2020 8:14:29 AM

bbehe
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You're saying BDS isn't important in the context of that tweet?

5/21/2020 8:19:58 AM

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Correct. If the policy page had just said Biden doesn't support BDS and that's all, that tweet wouldn't have happened. As NYM said that stance is known and not surprising. That, again, is why the choice section was emphasized with a highlight.


It's be like if he said this on healthcare
"reject Medicare for all bc of its high costs, while letting sick people off the hook for their choices"

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 8:28 AM. Reason : E]

5/21/2020 8:25:22 AM

bbehe
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So the context of where that half sentence was used, ie the rest of the sentence or the section it was in, or even the policy page itself....not important?

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 8:29 AM. Reason : a]

5/21/2020 8:28:41 AM

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Stop working so hard to turn it into an argument you think you could win. Take a look at my counter example, if I saw that I wouldn't start arguing about the merits of MFA, I'd be like wait what choices??

I have to go work I think I've explained it as well as I'm capable.

5/21/2020 8:32:55 AM

bbehe
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That's a flawed analogy and you know it.

Have some advocates of BDS veered into antisemitism and think Palestinians can do no wrong, even when it comes to regional violence?

Its a simple yes or no question

5/21/2020 8:38:30 AM

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"Have some advocates of BDS veered into antisemitism and think Palestinians can do no wrong, even when it comes to regional violence?"


what a ridiculous question......

Why dont you clean that up alittle bit.

5/21/2020 9:32:33 AM

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I mean, I'm trying to phrase it only using terms in Biden's statement otherwise rwoody will refuse to answer it and say I'm off topic.

The Palestinians, to put it extremely mildly, have received the short end of the stick for quite some time. They deserve huge amounts of aid and relief as well as many of their territorial claims addressed.

However, BDS has been used by some has a thin veneer to justify Antisemitism and to encourage violence against civilian populations. It isn't sanctioned by the PA and many Palestinians think it does way more harm than good.

To post a portion of a single section of a single policy page and refuse to address anything but the small highlighted section is absurd.

5/21/2020 9:50:16 AM

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How can you be sure this isn't the failsafe claim of 'antisemitism' against any move to hold Israel accountable for its actions. The strategy has proven very effective so how do we know its not being used here?

5/21/2020 2:10:53 PM

bbehe
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But he is being critical of Israeli policies...

5/21/2020 2:19:03 PM

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To compare Palestine/Israel to BLM

Republicans are full on thin blue line Punisher sticker reactionaries

Democrats are the All Lives Matter crowd

5/21/2020 2:41:57 PM

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What solution are you in favor of dave?

5/21/2020 2:47:17 PM

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