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[2] loss season.

[Edited on January 16, 2019 at 2:25 PM. Reason : r]

1/16/2019 2:24:50 PM

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how many games will be at noon(ish)?

1/16/2019 2:29:09 PM

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all but thursday

1/16/2019 2:37:22 PM

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"That is the dumbest saying ever. It sure worked out for the 2 teams that played for the national championship. It only rarely works when you try to switch back and forth between 2. Otherwise you have 1 starter and 1 guy who probably leaves."


i don’t think you know what that saying means. It very obviously means if you keep switching QBs and can’t settle on one, then it hurts your offense. In other words, a season long 2 QB system generally doesn’t work. It very obviously does not mean “having 2 really good QBs on the roster yet also having well defined roles of who the back up is and who the starter is, is a bad thing”. As for Alabama, Tua was named the starter before the season. And for Clemson, once Dabo was comfortable with Lawrence and Lawrence got a little experience, he was named the full time starter. So those aren’t examples of teams having a 2 QB system. Those are just examples of teams having a tight QB competition to determine the starter


As for the schedule. Good to get 2 byes this year. The Thursday game before UNC means extra time to prep for UNC so that’s nice.

1/16/2019 3:08:23 PM

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one home game in Oct, 3 in Nov

1/16/2019 3:40:28 PM

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Only 2 games in October. And a short week before being on the road at GT.

Well at least GT also plays the well before, although it's a home game for them. I'm going ahead and marking that one as a loss even with their new coaching staff/scheme change.

1/16/2019 4:15:21 PM

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Eddie Faulkner going to reunite with JaySam on the Steelers staff. He was our rb/te coach, recruiting coordinator and Charlotte area recruiter (porter rooks)

[Edited on January 16, 2019 at 5:57 PM. Reason : E]

1/16/2019 5:56:39 PM

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*fb/te coach, he's never been our RB coach.

Also wvu getting a grad transfer QB from Oklahoma

1/16/2019 6:18:48 PM

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Yea mistyped. Did that transfer go through? Thought Ok was blocking it

[Edited on January 16, 2019 at 7:37 PM. Reason : Google is my friend ]

1/16/2019 7:33:52 PM

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Faulkner to the Steelers seems like a pretty damn good promotion for him.

1/16/2019 8:12:13 PM

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background at NCSU <nfl gig

We need a big time recruiter to join the fold, young but really solid.

I like the move at Co-DC and phasing out Hux IF that's the call.

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I think Evans wins the QB job but we will be so run dependent.

Only 2 losses not out of the question.... Clemson and Wake Forest.

1/16/2019 11:27:43 PM

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true freshman evans winning the job would be pretty unexpected i would assume.

i have no idea if the plan is to phase Hux out or not...wasn't Roof also "co-DC"? maybe that's the plan, i dunno. but i'd be on board with it.

1/17/2019 6:07:49 AM

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^
Yeah, we did the co-def coordinator thing last year.

1/17/2019 8:33:37 AM

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Evans isn't winning the starting gig, there is no upside to it and he needs a year physically(even he's pointed that out).

So far we've brought in multiple recruiters to replace non-recruiters we lost. I'd imagine that trend continues.

We lost a TE/FB coach, some options out there but I'd love to see us bring back an alum like Gary Downs or Alvis Whitted. Obviously Downs helps keep Rooks in the fold and gives you a huge advantage in recruiting 4* WR Josh Downs.

1/17/2019 9:28:43 AM

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As someone who won the Heisman many, many times with Alvis Whitted in NCAA Football 98, I approve.

1/17/2019 9:34:07 AM

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^Haha. So true.

1/17/2019 9:44:12 AM

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The season won't start until September but this thread is already 2-pages long. Crazy.

1/17/2019 9:44:50 AM

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1/17/2019 10:16:35 AM

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Nickel Freddie Phillips Jr transferring. Had a couple bad injuries and never really cracked the lineup

1/18/2019 5:11:07 PM

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I think he was the guy who got the best punches in post UNC game.

1/18/2019 5:28:04 PM

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Yeah good luck to him. Hope he goes somewhere where he'll see the field.

1/18/2019 6:13:15 PM

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So the following non-seniors from last year aren't on the roster

#27 Cornerback Vernon Grier (RSJ) - announced he is transferring https://packinsider.com/2019/01/13/cb-vernon-grier-transferring-from-nc-state/
#72 Offensive Tackle Philip Walton, Jr. (RSJ) - transferring to UNCC [/quote]https://packinsider.com/2019/01/13/ol-philip-walton-transferred-from-nc-state-to-uncc/
#54 Linebacker Evin Bellamy (RSJ) - graduated?
#7 Nickel Freddie Phillips, Jr. (RSJ) - graduated?
#43 Linebacker David Pierson (RSSo) - ??
#12 Quarterback Jory Perkins (RSF) - ??
#39 Running Back Darius Walton (F) - ??

1/19/2019 7:53:25 PM

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ATTN USERS W <20 POSTS

1/19/2019 8:37:12 PM

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Think those bottom 3 were walk ons

1/19/2019 9:19:11 PM

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Yeah, none of those people were actually going to see the field.

1/19/2019 9:30:55 PM

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"@thewolfpacker NC State has hired Todd Goebbel, the co-offensive coordinator/special teams coordinator/tight ends coach for Marshall last year, to be its new tight ends coach/special teams coordinator. He replaces Eddie Faulkner, who took a job this week as RB coach for Pittsburgh Steelers."

1/20/2019 3:30:14 PM

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What an unfortunate name

1/20/2019 5:12:02 PM

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https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/1/31/18204093/2019-ncaa-football-returning-starters-experience

129th in returning O production. 31st in returning D. 109th overall. That’s 3rd lowest returning production among P5. Our OOC opponent WV ranks 105th

1/31/2019 9:19:28 AM

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Yep, shit the bed last season. going to be a real struggle this year

1/31/2019 9:23:49 AM

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^^yep
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"Offense is basically a total rebuild"

And looking back on page 1, I think people are really discounting what we're losing on the Oline. Bradbury, Jones especially are huge losses. Center isn't an easy position and Bradbury was best in the entire country. For LT, depth was really called into question in the Syracuse game. Blanking on his name but Witts replacement was a revolving door for their pass rush.

^it was really 2 seasons ago that we shit the bed. A ton of talent and Clemson wasn't the Trevor Lawrence juggernaut. We weren't beating clemson last year.

1/31/2019 10:07:16 AM

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Clemson is likely going undefeated in the ACC until Lawrence leaves(barring an injury). They just have such a talent/coaching gap with the rest of the ACC that it would be a shocking upset, even more than them losing to Cuse or Pitt a few years ago. Don't need to compare ourselves to them, we need to be better than the rest of the Atlantic.

We're losing a ton on offense, but remember before last year where we were losing a ton too. We lost 2 of our best OL, our best RB, our best weapon(JSam), and our best blocking TE. We came away fine.

We're losing more this year, but honestly think the biggest concern is going to be coaching. We have guys with reps under their belt across the OL, TE, and at WR. Concern should be will our new OC's continue to evolve our offense and help it grow or will they just try to duplicate what Drink did and let our offense become stagnant? Talent-wise I honestly think we're stable enough to be reloading more than we're rebuilding.

I think we'll have growing pains at QB but we have enough talent at RB, TE, and WR that we should be at least average on O if one of our QBs is decent. Biggest question-marks will be who wins the job at LT(McGirt, Riley, other?) and who wins the starting QB job, everything else looks to be fairly set across the board.

1/31/2019 10:38:58 AM

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"Yep, shit the bed last season. going to be a real struggle this year"


If there was any bed shitting it was 2017, not 2018. 2017 featured all those draft picks plus all/most of the production from 2018 that were losing as well. 2018 was not really an underachieving season...1 bad loss for sure, but on the whole we didn’t underachieve. 2017 we did.

The 2017 team had all these future picks:
Chubb, Street, Hill, Jones, Hines, Richardson, JaySam...plus all the dudes that will get drafted this year: Harmon, Finley, Bradbury, Jakobi Meyers, Pratt, potentially a couple more.

Not many obvious NFL guys in 2019 graduating class...so 2017 was the year we were loaded. Not 2018. We had good top end talent in 2018 with limited depth and experience across the board. 2017 was a combo talent, experience, and depth. Plus Clemson was beatable last year.

[Edited on January 31, 2019 at 10:52 AM. Reason : Add a note ]

1/31/2019 10:51:41 AM

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"Don't need to compare ourselves to them, we need to be better than the rest of the Atlantic."


"let's get out there and fight for 2nd!"

Regardless, that's a separate conversation thank the one wee were having.

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". We lost 2 of our best OL, our best RB, our best weapon(JSam), and our best blocking TE. We came away fine. "


And this year we're losing our 3 best OL, our best RB, our best weapon (Harmon), best slot receiver and our qb.

I guess we game away fine, we finished worse than the year before though. Finished 3rd instead of 2nd and lost an extra game in a weak acc.

[Edited on January 31, 2019 at 12:30 PM. Reason : We def lost games that Hines and Richardson would have won for us. ]

1/31/2019 12:29:10 PM

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^If you think we should realistically be competing for the Atlantic right now, then go for it, but the rest of the country knows that isn't realistic as Clemson is likely a top 2 team in the country preseason if not #1.

The goal should be finishing #2 each year, and I agree, last year we missed that but I still think that should be our goal, as #2 in the Atlantic might be arguably the 2nd best team in the ACC and a top 25 team.

I get what you're saying as far as what we're losing, but I'd probably look at it this way:

We're losing our 3 best OL. HUGE hit here. Still bringing back 3 guys with a lot of experience, but certainly a big loss.

Losing our 3-year starter at QB. HUGE hit here. At the same time we have 3 viable options behind him and all 3 were considered a 4* prospect by at least 1 publication. Still no one really proven.

Losing our "best" RB. This is debatable to me. I think he had a helluva year, but I also saw the two play and I think Person has much, much more potential. He looked better at times but was never healthy. If Person can stay healthy, mix in Knight and Houston, I'm not certain we aren't better at RB.

Losing our best "weapon". Yeah losing Harmon and Meyers is going to hurt, for sure. But Emezie, Riley, and Thomas have all played well and now we add in Hines as a post-grad who has plenty of experience. I'm not saying our WR core is as good as last year because it's not, but I also don't think our WR core is falling off of a cliff.

The offense will absolutely take a step back, but the hope is our defense takes a step forward. I just don't think our offense is a complete rebuild and is instead more of a reload. We have some young WRs that have gotten good buzz from the staff and we have 3 promising QBs. If we can find an average to above-average QB(think Hartman from Wake last year), with our skill position talent, think we'll still be good enough to win games as long as our D doesn't become flat out terrible.

1/31/2019 1:37:58 PM

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We aren't going to compete with Clemson because money.

1/31/2019 1:41:00 PM

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We should be a very run heavy offense this year.

1/31/2019 1:56:50 PM

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^^^
1. Point is you were responding to a discussion about "shitting the bed" but "finishing 3rd instead of 2nd" doesn't qualify bc who really gives a fuck? The year before we had the ability to win the conference and squandered the oppo

2. I clearly agree that we can't hang with the current iteration of Clemson but we absolutely need to judge ourselves that way. Even if it's pie in sky, if our only ambition in football is to try to finish 2nd for the next 20 years, well then maybe I'll give up on college fandom.

3. Health is a talent. Gallapsy was easily the better back last year bc he was on the field. Hard to excel from the sidelines. Plus is Person can't hold up as a change of pace/backup, hard to see how he holds up with a full work load. Also knight and Houston are both open field backs, which is why losing Griffin matters.

4. I would disagree that Riley has played well. He had so many drops. But he's young so maybe he'll figure it out.

5. Rebuild vs reload, I'm not sure the difference. I mean it's college, we aren't out there signing free agents and looking to draft. We're returning only 4 starters and, outside of receiver and wherever Sculthorpe players, the replacements have very little game experience.

[Edited on January 31, 2019 at 2:12 PM. Reason : E]

1/31/2019 2:12:35 PM

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^There is a significant difference between reloading and rebuilding. Rebuild means you're starting from scratch and it's going to take a few years to be good. I think we have talent and we should be able to go from really good to average, at least.

We return 2 starting OL + Sculthorpe. We return Angeline and Autenrieth who have started games. Emezie, Riley, and Thomas have started games and/or played a lot of snaps. Then you add in Hines who is a RS-SR and he's started plenty of games. Person and Pennix have a decent number of reps at RB.

So you're looking at 3 OL with good experience, 2 TEs with good experience, 2 RBs with experience, and 4 WRs with experience.

Biggest questions are at LT and QB. If both of those are at least average, we'll be fine.

I understand concerns over Person staying healthy, but with Person, Pennix, Knight, and Houston, we have something we struggled with last year, we have multiple HR hitters at RB. Griffin would be a nice addition but feel like we have a good blend with those 4 RBs, but ideally we could add Griffin and then consider whether Pennix is best suited to stay at RB(he was an ATH out of HS and could definitely flip to D if needed.

1/31/2019 2:35:43 PM

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Riley is also one of the best special teams players. If he wins a starting spot and gets lots of reps with the starting QB his drops should go down.

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Look, sustained success in CFB is tied directly to recruiting and recruiting success is very much in line with the budget of the football program. Now Clemson has a damn good coach as well. As long as Dabo is at Clemson we have no realistic chance of winning the conference. If we couldn't do it with a defense full of draft picks, multiple NFL RBs, WRs, OL and a "NFL QB", it's not happening. Just being realistic.

1/31/2019 2:40:58 PM

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We had a realistic shot at winning the conference 2 years ago. Even the best teams have down years. In those years we need to have maximized talent and play basically a perfect game against Clemson and have no other slip ups. A minor minor positive to being in their division is: we only have to beat them once.



^^you basically just typed out in long form what I already said. TE was one of the returning starters, it barely matters that there are 2 bc most sets only play 1, same for RB. For question mark, you also left out one of LG/C, whichever sculthorpe doesn't play.

Also, pennix played way less then think he did. He got a couple snaps vs Cuse and basically didn't play (offense) the rest of acc season. Bodine never reached double digit snaps in acc play, but played way more than Pennix. Person does have some experience but he is also just a true sophomore.

And sure, at rb we have home run hitters, but we have nobody in the the vein of, say, a Reggie Gallapsy that gets yards between the tackles. Maybe person will be that guy once Thunder gets a full spring/summer with him, but he didn't show the durability for that. I would bet Person misses at least one start next year. Nothing against him just hard for college backs to live up to those heavy work loads.

1/31/2019 4:34:15 PM

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The skepticism about Person is very funny

He was a freshman. He touched the ball 112 times. Nyheim had 124 his first two years combined (as a WR mostly). Dayes had 73 as a freshman and 136 as a sophomore. Gallaspy had 70 and 54.

Andre Brown’s surprising freshman year? 136 touches, followed by 133 the next season. Toney Baker had 137.

Really the only freshman RB that comes to mind who was demonstrably more durable and played significantly more than Person was TA, who had a fucking insane 287 touches.

Ricky will be fine. Go watch him in the UVA game and tell me different.

[Edited on February 1, 2019 at 12:22 AM. Reason : mustafa had 163 his freshman year. Goddamn shame that didn’t work out.]

2/1/2019 12:10:04 AM

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I know! It's silly to think that a RB who was hurt his Sr year of HS and then missed almost a third of his freshman season would have ANY durability concerns!!

[Edited on February 1, 2019 at 12:49 AM. Reason : Also you left out the beast Shadrach]

2/1/2019 12:43:24 AM

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^The thing about Person's injuries though, neither of them were related, so it's more bad luck than anything. Plus you have to factor in that Person played hurt most of the season last year.

He hurt his wrist late in his SR season and missed Spring practice with it. Then he played most of the year with a messed up labrum. His wrist is 100% now and he's had labrum surgery so he should be good to go for the Fall. Only downside is he'll miss another Spring of practice and adjusting to our new co-OCs.

Person has shown he's super talented and can run between the tackles. Yeah he might have an injury-riddled career, but at this point I think it's a little unfair to label him injury prone because of 2 unrelated injuries.

Pennix played in 4 games because they were saving his redshirt, not because he wasn't a competent back. The only desperation play last year was having to play Tyler Baker-Williams at RB in the opening game because of a rash of injuries. I can appreciate that Gallaspy was a strong plodder that ran hard, had good ball security, and was very effective near the goal.

The problem with Gallaspy was, he absolutely didn't fit our offense at all. There was a reason when Person(and even Bodine to some extent) came into the game our running game opened up and those stretch runs looked much better. To the staffs credit they adjusted down the stretch and Gallaspy had some REALLY nice games(albeit against some awful competition), but we don't need a between the tackles plodder. Dayes and Hines are the backs you want in our offense, and Person is much closer to that. Obviously replacing Hines speed is going to be damn-near impossible, but having a threat in the backfield to make 1 guy miss and pick up 20+ yards is a big deal. Having some of the best and most athletic OL in the country last year, they were built to get to the second level and spring big runs, but that just wasn't as effective with Gallaspy.

2018 - Gallaspy, true FR Person, true FR Pennix, Bodine
2019 - SO Person, RS-FR Pennix, true FR Knight, true FR Houston

I can appreciate the experience that 2018 had with Gallaspy and Bodine, but the athleticism, ability, and upside is clearly stronger in 2019. As long as Knight and Houston don't develop fumble-itis when they get to campus, we should be better at RB, even if one of them ends up redshirting(ideal).

2/1/2019 9:32:02 AM

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^So we have talent at RB just extremely young and unproven.

Tabari Hines starts at WR. So you still have Hines, Emezie, Thomas, and Riley with proven playing time.

Angeline and Autenreith back at TE.

OL: Fedd-Jackson and Witt returns as probable starters...huge questions beyond them.

[Edited on February 1, 2019 at 9:53 AM. Reason : McGirt is such a huge letdown]

2/1/2019 9:52:38 AM

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^^all that stuff about injuries is my whole point. Sure injuries are largely luck, but he's had a good amount of bad luck. And missing spring is a problem for weight room reasons, not just practice. He may not BE injury prone, future tense, but he certainly HAS BEEN, so it's a valid concern/risk.

And I don't care why pennix didn't play much, you were arguing he is experienced but he really isn't. And when person was hurt, they leaned on other players.

[Edited on February 1, 2019 at 1:46 PM. Reason : E]

2/1/2019 1:44:21 PM

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https://247sports.com/college/north-carolina-state/Article/NC-State-football-bringing-in-one-of-the-nations-best-defensive-line-hauls-2019-128449613/

2/1/2019 2:40:03 PM

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Guys.

Would it be fair to say Person choked by being injured?

2/1/2019 2:40:04 PM

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Fucking double post ruining my joke.

[Edited on February 1, 2019 at 2:50 PM. Reason : A]

2/1/2019 2:50:31 PM

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Lol

Btw, coaches are looking for JC/Grad transfer help on the OL. So, seems like they agree with my assessment.

2/1/2019 5:15:50 PM

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^well actually they weren’t looking for O-Line help until they were perusing Brentroad.com, saw your assessment and now realize we need more of those blocking people.

2/2/2019 4:26:42 AM

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