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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/capitol-rioter-plotted-sell-stolen-pelosi-laptop-russian-intelligence-n1254583

Capitol rioter plotted to sell stolen Pelosi laptop to Russian intelligence

1/18/2021 2:34:29 PM

JesusHChrist
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GOP lawmaker accused of giving 'reconnaissance' tour prior to Capitol riot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j-4Vsxrj3E

Lauren Boebert and some of these other QAnon gun-freaks (Marjorie Taylor Greene, Madison Crawford) need to be frog marched out congress if these allegations are true (so far only Boebert is being implicated). If they are as dumb as they appear, I'm sure they didn't cover their tracks well enough and these allegations should be easy enough to prove. Same goes for Cruz and Hawley, but I'm sure they were not dumb enough to directly implicate themselves like the Q squad.

1/18/2021 6:30:24 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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Things seem to escalate in these videos right at 2:00 PM.

https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/

1/18/2021 10:11:47 PM

0EPII1
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^ came here to post that... impressive compilation.

1/19/2021 4:59:09 AM

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"This doesn't blow over, this was the opening shot across the bows of a burgeoning fascistic movement in the US. Trump's Red Hats have successfully taken over the capitol."


I'm not quite so pessimistic. The mob effort was repudiated by everyone, even, in the eyes of participants, by the president himself. The echo chamber they need to maintain and build momentum has been dismantled, at least for the time being. No, right now they - referring to the mass of people who participated in or supported the insurrection - are beaten back rather than emboldened. Their anger and supposed grievances are still there to be harnessed, and I don't trust the media and elected officials to keep up the pressure necessary to crush it, but the most radical faction of the populist right is weaker today than it was at the start of the month.

Now, the masses aside, I think it's plausible that this event will have generated some McVeigh types, as you said.

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"Nahh. They all want pardons."


Maybe? I think it's more likely that they actually thought this was going to work or that they were at least gonna walk away scot free because, hey, white privilege, and when that didn't work out they folded like the simpering cowards they really are. These aren't people who are scheming for a pardon - if that were the plan, I'd expect less "I'm sorry" and more "Trump was robbed! Stop the steal!" These are people (rightfully) afraid now that they don't have a huge crowd to prop them up.

Overall point being, there's a lot to be concerned about regarding 1/6, but it was a sound defeat for the radical Trumpists. Yeah, they got to be dickheads in the capitol building, but they didn't achieve any of their goals, their communication network has been dealt a massive blow, and a small but important number of them are going to jail. No matter what happens tomorrow, it's bad for the Trumpists. If, God forbid, they try something serious, the crackdown will be overwhelming and it will be years before anyone is willing to give a platform to any of their nuttier ideas. If they don't do anything, it reinforces the image of a pathetic uprising that accomplished nothing and then got crushed.

But all of that just applies to this particular manifestation of the simmering resentment in certain segments of society, particularly the whiter, dumber ones. They're still pissed off and, to almost quote JesusHChrist, "Someone far more ideologically driven and competent than Trump will could try to harness that energy for their gain." Now the seal is broken; incidents like this will take place again on various scales, and each iteration will normalize political mob violence further. Historically it's a process that leads, within a generation or two, to a dictator taking power to restore order. I'm not so pessimistic as to think that the trend is invariable but it is alarming.

1/19/2021 2:59:15 PM

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"The mob effort was repudiated by everyone, even, in the eyes of participants, by the president himself. The echo chamber they need to maintain and build momentum has been dismantled, at least for the time being. No, right now they - referring to the mass of people who participated in or supported the insurrection - are beaten back rather than emboldened."


I don't really agree with this. Do you facebook and look at Vice, or NPR, local new channels, etc. comment sections? Read comments on Fox New articles? See polls? These terrorists seem to have quite a bit of support among "average" Americans.

[Edited on January 19, 2021 at 4:32 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2021 4:32:15 PM

JesusHChrist
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"but the most radical faction of the populist right is weaker today than it was at the start of the month."


I don't think history agrees with this assessment at all. These events typically encourage more attempts, not less. Do not confuse the sentiments of the moderate center with the sentiments of the extreme right. You and I may be appalled, but those who were predisposed to be sympathetic to their causes are emboldened, not weakened.

Andrew McCabe explains how these events usually indicate an uptick in violence, not a retreat:

https://youtu.be/q_CMFM1f6iA?t=394

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"Maybe? I think it's more likely that they actually thought this was going to work or that they were at least gonna walk away scot free because, hey, white privilege, and when that didn't work out they folded like the simpering cowards they really are. These aren't people who are scheming for a pardon - if that were the plan, I'd expect less "I'm sorry" and more "Trump was robbed! Stop the steal!" These are people (rightfully) afraid now that they don't have a huge crowd to prop them up."


They're literally asking for pardons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbE8Wn8r5GU

https://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-q-shaman-urges-trump-194323449.html

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"Now, the masses aside, I think it's plausible that this event will have generated some McVeigh types, as you said."


Yes, this is our concern. Dozens of McVeigh's and Dylan Roof's just got inspired to carry out their power-fantasies over the government and minority groups. Whether or not they can continue to assemble openly remains to be seen and will be dependent on the severity of the response during these upcoming months/years. But "isolated" acts should probably be expected at the least. And should another figure come out and see this movement as a vehicle for attaining political power, then, well....

1/19/2021 4:37:42 PM

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"I don't really agree with this. Do you facebook and look at Vice, or NPR, local new channels, etc. comment sections? Read comments on Fox New articles? See polls? These terrorists seem to have quite a bit of support among "average" Americans."


I'm not really trying to express an opinion that agrees or disagrees with you on this, I just wanted to point out:

I always wonder how many comments truly reflect American views vs how many comments are pure trolling (and in some cases, organized trolling with a social engineering intent).

I have no idea which it is, really, it's just something I like to keep in mind.

1/19/2021 9:35:55 PM

0EPII1
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Didn't a poll find that half of Republicans/conservatives agree with the attack on the capital?

Yeah, that's a lot of people.

1/20/2021 2:19:05 AM

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^^That is a good point, and I try to keep that in mind.

I admittedly go down too many rabbit holes on FB and check out the pages of many of the Turmp/Terrorist/Q supporters and their FB friends, and while some are obviously trolls, many are obviously real people who are dead serious.

1/20/2021 11:35:45 AM

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"Mark Leggiero is the one lone Trump supporter out in front of the NYS Capitol. He says he expected a few thousand ppl here and is disappointed. He said he drove 45 minutes for a peaceful protest
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1/20/2021 2:00:17 PM

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That's like having the entire class RSVP to your 6th birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese and then no one shows up.

1/20/2021 3:25:32 PM

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2/4/2021 3:31:59 PM

The Coz
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LOL. Good luck with that. But it reads well.

2/4/2021 5:51:54 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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There's speculation on the right that the January 6 insurrection was an inside job, orchestrated by Nancy Pelosi.

https://twitter.com/JMichaelWaller/status/1361404605008076802

2/16/2021 10:19:46 AM

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Yes, I've had "friends" on social media saying that for a couple weeks now. The FBI knew about it weeks ahead of time, Nancy knew and allowed it (or even helped plan it), and she left 20 minutes before they stormed it.

2/16/2021 10:51:02 AM

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(I assume she'll realize how involved she was when the commision she just announced studies the "facts and causes" of the attack)

2/16/2021 11:52:17 AM

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35 Capital Police officers under investigation

2/19/2021 8:10:49 AM

A Tanzarian
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The woman who stole Pelosi's laptop has neo-nazi ties.

3/23/2021 1:00:30 PM

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bttt

4/2/2021 2:16:46 PM

Bullet
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https://www.npr.org/2021/04/16/988120319/justice-department-secures-1st-guilty-plea-of-capitol-riot-investigation

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"A heavy metal musician and founding member of the Oath Keepers extremist group pleaded guilty Friday to charges connected to the storming of the U.S. Capitol and agreed to cooperate with investigators — a first in the massive probe into the deadly Jan. 6 assault.

Jon Schaffer, a guitarist and songwriter for the heavy metal band Iced Earth, entered his plea during a hearing in federal court in Washington, D.C. The plea deal, which comes 100 days after a mob of Trump supporters violently overran the Capitol, marks a significant step for prosecutors in the case.

Schaffer, who originally faced six counts, pleaded guilty to two charges — obstructing an official proceeding and entering restricted grounds with a dangerous weapon.

In his plea agreement, Schaffer acknowledged that on Jan. 6 he was among the first people to force their way through police lines and into the Capitol. He also acknowledged wearing a tactical vest and carrying bear spray as he did so.

During Friday's hearing, Judge Amit Mehta talked through the plea agreement with Schaffer. Mehta said the agreement stipulates that Schaffer fully cooperate with investigators, including providing testimony and witness interviews.

It is unclear what Schaffer may be able to tell investigators, but a dozen members or associates of the Oath Keepers are charged with conspiracy in connection with the Capitol attack. "


[Edited on April 16, 2021 at 1:42 PM. Reason : ]

4/16/2021 1:41:17 PM

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