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bbehe
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You mean the dems

6/13/2022 2:48:45 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment/senate-rejects-witnesses-in-trump-impeachment-trial-clearing-way-for-acquittal-idUSKBN1ZU1D2

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"By a vote of 51-49, the Republican-controlled Senate stopped Democrats' drive to hear testimony from witnesses like former national security adviser John Bolton, who is thought to have first-hand knowledge of Trump's efforts to pressure Ukraine to investigate a political rival, former Vice President Joe Biden."


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/murkowski-to-vote-against-calling-witnesses-in-impeachment-trial-109997

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"Two Republicans — Susan Collins of Maine and Mitt Romney of Utah — joined all 47 Senate Democrats in voting for the motion. Two potential GOP swing votes, Sen. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, stuck with their party, ensuring that the Democratic motion was defeated."

6/13/2022 4:35:18 PM

rwoody
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It's understandably confusing since the guy was impeached twice

https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-impeachment-trial-live-updates/2021/02/13/967623840/senate-voting-on-whether-to-call-witnesses-in-impeachment-trial

6/13/2022 4:58:26 PM

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Thanks for the link. I completely memory-holed that vote.

6/13/2022 5:47:05 PM

bbehe
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Yup, an absolutely infuriating moment, but Biden needed bis Cabinet and the first hundred days are important.

6/13/2022 6:51:55 PM

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https://www.npr.org/2022/06/14/1104910509/jan-6-committee-hearing-postponed

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" The third Jan. 6 committee hearing scheduled for Wednesday has been postponed to an as-yet unknown day, the panel said in a statement Tuesday.

The committee's release does not offer an explanation, but a source familiar said the move was a result of scheduling conflicts.

The committee's next hearing will take place Thursday at 1 p.m. ET, followed by a meeting next Tuesday, June 21 at 1 p.m. ET and then Thursday, June 23 at 1 p.m. ET."

6/14/2022 8:45:21 PM

The Coz
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Hmm. . .

6/14/2022 9:53:11 PM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/14/inside-explosive-oval-office-confrontation-three-days-before-jan-6/

I think that you can also read this article here:

https://archive.ph/2022.06.14-180701/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/14/inside-explosive-oval-office-confrontation-three-days-before-jan-6

[Edited on June 15, 2022 at 12:50 AM. Reason : ]

6/15/2022 12:28:45 AM

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I like how, at the the 2:25 mark, passersby stop so that they don't walk in front of the guy's photograph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9RNJ1tx4zw

6/15/2022 1:05:00 PM

rwoody
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"Scoop: the Jan. 6 committee has obtained emails between John Eastman & Ginni Thomas & is now discussing whether they should spend time during hearings exploring Thomas's role. With @jdawsey1 & @emmersbrown > https://t.co/QjKYRW9lRL"


Impeach Thomas

6/16/2022 9:06:28 AM

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https://www.npr.org/2022/06/16/1105543882/jan-6-committee-ginni-thomas

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"The leaders of the House Jan. 6 committee say they plan to invite Ginni Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, to speak to the committee in the wake of reporting by the Washington Post that the committee has evidence of Thomas communicating with lawyer John Eastman.

Eastman was central to a pressure campaign against then-Vice President Pence to reject the election results when Congress convened on Jan. 6 to count the Electoral College vote, committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., and vice chair Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., say. Thompson told this to reporters on Capitol Hill and Cheney's view was confirmed to NPR's Deirdre Walsh by an aide.

It's unclear if they will first ask for voluntary appearance or a closed door deposition, or send a subpoena.

Ginni Thomas was previously revealed to have been in touch with Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows via text message between the election and Jan. 6. At the time of those revelations, Thompson had said he would recommend the committee ask Thomas to appear before them, but didn't make a request. Some members of the committee have said that Thomas didn't play a significant role ahead of Jan. 6 before the latest reports emerged Wednesday night.

The Supreme Court rejected an 11th-hour effort by Trump allies to have it step in during the legal fight over the election results, during which dozens of lower court cases were almost all decided against Trump. However, Justice Thomas and Justice Samuel Alito disagreed with that decision. Thomas was also the lone dissenter when the Supreme Court ruled against Trump as he sought to have his White House records shielded from the Jan. 6 committee investigation."

6/16/2022 1:28:12 PM

Money_Jones
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Judge Luttigs speaking style is hard to listen to. I don’t think having him drone on is doing this hearing many favors

6/16/2022 2:07:48 PM

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http://twitter.com/KenTremendous/status/1537491427999076354

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" Retired Republican Judge: *risks career and personal safety to lay out in authoritative detail how Trump tried to steal an election, in order to save our democratic republic*

Twitter: ugh this guy talks so slow"


the correct take

6/16/2022 2:29:42 PM

Money_Jones
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Haha, I mean it’s not just slow, but also hard to follow where he’s going or what point he’s trying to make (which is exacerbated by it being so slow)

6/16/2022 2:34:07 PM

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http://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status/1537520991315935232

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" LUTTIG: "Donald Trump and his allies are a clear and present danger to American democracy"...
**because Trump and his allies are plotting now to steal 2024.**

"I don't speak those words lightly.""


could’ve taken him 24 hours to say this and it wouldn’t have taken away it’s importance

6/16/2022 3:52:16 PM

rwoody
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In a court of public opinion, charisma matters unfortunately

Hopefully this is more than just that though

6/16/2022 3:55:51 PM

Money_Jones
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^^i don’t disagree with the importance

6/16/2022 3:56:46 PM

thegoodlife3
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^^ I doubt any conservative federal judge has charisma and they shouldn’t

6/16/2022 4:41:08 PM

TerdFerguson
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They trotted this guy out to speak directly to all of the sniveling Conservative lawyers that seem to occupy every corner of the federal bureaucracy. You know, all the OTHER Jeffrey Clarks and John Eastmans spawning out of the federalist society’s Ivy League programs every year. This guy is a conservative lawyer rock star, a federal court judge long enough that his office became a conduit for Supreme Court clerks, himself a clerk for Scalia, legal counsel for several Republican presidents, even helped Boeing navigate corporate liability. But give the guy credit, he called a coup a coup and I hope some of these other dbags heard that loud and clear.

[Edited on June 16, 2022 at 6:23 PM. Reason : The Bill Barrs and Jeffrey Rosens need to hear from this guy too, I kinda doubt they were angels]

6/16/2022 6:19:33 PM

The Coz
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Mike Pence has zero chance for a political future in today's Republican Party. He's deluding himself. He stood firm on January 6th and did the right thing, and for that I'm appreciative. Why can't he just give up on his impossible political aspirations and fully cooperate with the committee to bring out the whole ugly truth? The guy almost got lynched. If he wants to do what is best for the country, the path forward seems clear. He would have greater historical significance in doing this than being a one-term VP yes-man associated with a disgraced regime. I guess I don't get political logic. It's obvious he's toast to the Trump base.

6/20/2022 7:07:45 PM

Bullet
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjk4mb/election-conspiracy-mike-lindell-michael-flynn

6/21/2022 6:35:59 PM

PackMan2003
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^^ I hope he campaigns just so he can meet some of the mob that wanted to hang him.

6/26/2022 9:28:29 PM

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Yes, I'm sure they will be quite receptive to his ideas and explanations.

6/27/2022 8:31:29 AM

Pupils DiL8t
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There's a previously unplanned hearing scheduled for 1:00 PM Eastern Time tomorrow.

6/27/2022 5:30:11 PM

thegoodlife3
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this woman is extremely brave for giving this testimony

6/28/2022 1:44:50 PM

rwoody
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"Well, unless I've somehow surrounded myself with a bubble of likeminded people who share my beliefs this should really be it for Trump."

https://twitter.com/kevinseccia/status/784495846746427393

Some minor levity, laugh through the pain

6/28/2022 7:13:18 PM

A Tanzarian
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"Current explanations range from "Things got out of hand" to "A planned coup involving top Trump administration officials and allies""


My guess was somewhere in the middle with a healthy lean towards things getting out of hand. It's starting to look a lot like a planned coup from the top.

6/28/2022 10:02:12 PM

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I'm sorry but anyone with a half of a functioning brain can tell this was 100% pre-planned/orchestrated and that Trump was going to do whatever he could to overturn the election. Not one bit of the testimony is surprising if you've even remotely been paying attention.

6/28/2022 10:15:23 PM

A Tanzarian
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You're right, I'm an idiot.

You win the internet.

Good job, chief.

6/28/2022 10:46:01 PM

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I'm legitimately shocked you thought/think the explanation was closer to "things getting out of hand" than it clearly being a planned coup that was weeks (if not months) in the making. Have you just been tuning things out this whole time, or are you waiting for more a "smoking gun"? Not calling you an idiot, just surprised you're thinking Trump deserved even a smidgen of the benefit of doubt. Did you not watch any of New Yorker footage that was readily available to the public shortly after-- footage that clearly depicted people being absolutely violent/out of control and nearly crushing Capitol Police to death, while desecrating the halls of Congress?

[Edited on June 28, 2022 at 10:53 PM. Reason : Or maybe you were being sarcastic, in which case gg since it went right over my head.]

[Edited on June 28, 2022 at 10:54 PM. Reason : .]

6/28/2022 10:52:48 PM

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"Not one bit of the testimony is surprising if you've even remotely been paying attention."


pretty surprising to hear that he wanted secret service to remove metal detectors in order to let armed people into a secured area for his speech

also pretty surprising to hear that he assaulted a secret service agent in an attempt to drive to the Capitol

I pay quite a bit of attention to these things and those were both unheard of until today

6/28/2022 11:05:09 PM

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It's absolutely appalling/disgusting (assuming her account is true), but not shocking (imo) given how he acted after he got COVID and forced SS to drive him around to put on a "show" before being airlifted to Walter Reed. Not only that, he knew he had COVID and showed up to debate Biden hoping to infect him, let alone exposing his wife and son. He's a mob boss cartoon character and the fact that people are suddenly clutching their pearls 1.5 year after the fact is what shocks ME the most...

[Edited on June 28, 2022 at 11:16 PM. Reason : did ya'll really think the gallows to hang Pence were just a prop?]

6/28/2022 11:15:17 PM

thegoodlife3
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he was driven around after leaving Walter Reed, not before

6/28/2022 11:30:39 PM

UJustWait84
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Distinction without a major difference, but fair enough. Totally surprising that a bankrupt con artist who tried to defund the postal service to prevent vote-in mailing months ahead of the election a would stoop to the level of trying to assault a SS agent and invite people with weapons to mow down Pence, Pelosi, and the entire line of succession, along with dangling pardons. So off brand for him!

6/28/2022 11:37:50 PM

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it’s one thing to assume that an awful person is doing awful things

but it’s different when you hear specific awful things that said awful person is doing from a person giving sworn testimony in front of congress

6/28/2022 11:49:13 PM

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point taken. I'll rescind earlier my "half a brain" comment since it was rude/condescending. If this latest testimony is enough to shock more of the public into tapping in to the outrage/frustration I've been feeling since 1/6 AND it helps bring some semblance of justice/reform/accountability, that's better than quibbling about levels of shock/surprise on the internet.

6/29/2022 12:27:23 AM

TerdFerguson
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Goddammit I hope they nail Mike Flynn. Him and Roger Stone both need to die in prison.

6/29/2022 5:38:25 AM

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Yesterday's testimony was pretty wild. What's been the explanation of why the surprise hearing? Did they ask Hutchinson to testify live to try to get ahead of something? Something to do with Meadows?

And people that that think all these people are lying..... what do they think they have to gain by lying? It's pretty obvious some of these people are very nervous and scared.

6/29/2022 10:02:57 AM

thegoodlife3
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probably because they were worried about witness tampering and/or her safety

6/29/2022 10:40:40 AM

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Republicans were dumb trying to get ahead of the story yesterday harping on the fact that it’s all just hearsay (no shit, she was repeating what someone else told her), and they tried to discredit her by saying Trump was in a limo making her story about him trying to grab the steering wheel sound impossible (he was in a Suburban). SS is probably going to try and deflect/minimize and be as vague as possible so as to not look incompetent, but people are getting caught up in the wrong details. Him throwing a plate isn’t a big deal; him lunging at the driver not that big of a deal either; him encouraging armed lunatics to bypass metal detectors and demand to be driven to the Capitol is what’s really the big deal.

6/29/2022 11:45:50 AM

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I had forgotten that Tony Ornato had gone from United States Secret Service Deputy Assistant Director to Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations in the Trump White House and then back to the United States Secret Service.

6/29/2022 1:54:34 PM

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fwiw:

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"Hutchinson's bombshell Jan. 6 testimony sways legal experts and conservative media"


https://www.npr.org/2022/06/29/1108573335/hutchinsons-bombshell-jan-6-testimony-sways-legal-experts-and-conservative-media

6/30/2022 9:57:34 AM

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https://www.npr.org/2022/06/30/1107868327/trump-election-fraud-jan-6

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"Election deniers have taken their fraud theories on tour — to nearly every state"


it’s only gonna get worse

7/4/2022 1:00:01 PM

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Anyone who believes this shit needs to back up off the Cable News and get out more.

Yeah, there was a pretty bad riot on one side of the building. Disavow. Another side (east?) was opened by the cops and people were allowed in. 35 cops are under investigation. We can agree to disagree on whether or not those people were trespassing. I don't think they knew they were, at least not those 10ft+ back in the line. I think believing in QAnon is a bigger crime than their peaceful protest in the capitol (once again, not the violent ones).

I definitely think that everyone who broke in should be charged with trespassing... but I think it's psycho so many people were held in solitary for a year and a half over that charge when Colberts crew had the same charge and was out in a night.

I won't even watch the show trial "bipartisan" committee where the only "republicans" are uniparty reps Kinzinger and Cheney... both of whom are actively fundraising off this from democrats. At least they stopped pretending.

I can't wait for the actual trials to start so people can be cross examined and rebuttal witnesses can be called. I will definitely watch that. Am genuinely curious to see if anyone did plan anything ahead of time.

7/5/2022 7:53:24 PM

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^Are you not aware of Trump's plan that would have had Pence refuse to certify the electoral vote, sending the vote to the House and likely resulting in overturning the electoral vote?

And the hearings are not a "show trial". They are hearings. They do not pretend to be a trial at all and no convictions could possibly result from these hearings alone.

These are only two of the issues I found with your post; there are others, but I expect there are other posters here better qualified than I to rebut your points. You actually might learn more if you did try watching the hearings. And the reason Kinzinger and Cheney are the only Republicans involved is because Kevin McCarthy submitted specific Republicans under suspicion for the events of January 6 and then refused to participate further when they were rejected. You can't blame Democrats for Republican refusal to engage in good faith. (Well, obviously you can, but you would be placing the blame on the wrong party).

7/5/2022 8:57:32 PM

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One more thing:

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" I think believing in QAnon is a bigger crime"


How does that compare with believing the election was fraudulent? How does it compare with using the power of one's office to spread that belief, despite the absence of any supporting evidence?

7/5/2022 8:59:15 PM

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I'm not sure that anyone who was simply trespassing was held in solitary confinement. I think that solitary confinement was reserved for those who literally broke into the building, attacked Capitol Police officers, and possibly the five Proud Boys and eleven Oath Keepers who have been charged with seditious conspiracy.

Here's a video from the first hearing, in case you missed it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3_O91gyj9o

7/6/2022 8:55:29 AM

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I aIn't going to wAtch or read about any of it, but I can't belieVe anybody believes any of it, but i have no idea what is it they believe or why beCause i ain't gonna watch aNy of it because I dON't believe it!

7/6/2022 9:19:24 AM

The Coz
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Who will be taking a page from Sri Lanka?

7/9/2022 8:46:19 PM

HaLo
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“It will be wild”

7/10/2022 10:44:32 PM

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