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Not a great sign for your press if the other teams keeps getting shots at the rim and wide open 3s

11/17/2021 10:08:57 PM

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Yeah that was weird. I thought I was missing something with how he was acting like it should be an obvious technical foul

^yup. I like the idea of an aggressive, pressing defense. But our press gets broken with ease by P5 teams and our aggressive defense mostly just fouls all game

[Edited on November 17, 2021 at 10:10 PM. Reason : Hellems “throwing” the ball at ref]

11/17/2021 10:09:16 PM

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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1461165649133244418

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"NC State transfer Shakeel Moore is shining for Mississippi State. Looked potent alongside Iverson Molinar tonight. Both had 19. Bulldogs are 4-0."


Bigtime oof for Keatts. I'm sure Shak couldn't have gotten PT on this dumpster fire

11/17/2021 10:12:46 PM

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Lets go! Solid D here at the end

11/17/2021 10:26:25 PM

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We should try giving up less alley oops. Jmo.

11/17/2021 10:28:09 PM

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Worst games in NC State basketball program 2013-2021:
1. Loss to NC Central in 2013
2. Win over Central Connecticut State in 2021
3. Loss to Oklahoma State in 2021

11/17/2021 10:34:32 PM

rwoody
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In hindsight, using the halftime speech to say "stop playing defense" was prob a bad idea

11/17/2021 10:35:24 PM

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^ I think he may have thrown in a "let's play this next 7 minutes like there is a benny hill soundtrack on". Great motivational speaker that Keatts is. He really got the kids to buy in.

11/17/2021 10:36:55 PM

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Sounds like it is a good thing I don’t get cbs sn.

11/17/2021 10:51:30 PM

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"Bigtime oof for Keatts. I'm sure Shak couldn't have gotten PT on this dumpster fire"


You act like he pushed Moore out the door. Nobody wanted him to leave. As has been previously discussed, he left for a better situation to be the primary pg.

11/17/2021 11:59:37 PM

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A plus from the game, it's the first time in recent memory where we actually shot free throws well. Which is encouraging if nothing else is at the moment. Started off strong and had some good moments but we clearly don't have the energy/depth Keatts' system needs. Or it could (probably) be that OkSt started off bad

Also, I know it's not the most serious conversation, but no way are we talking about worst games without mentioning 47-24. Definitely a stain on our program, and even worse to come out on the losing side of what has seriously been called the worst game in modern basketball history.

[Edited on November 18, 2021 at 8:06 AM. Reason : ed]

11/18/2021 8:05:38 AM

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"You act like he pushed Moore out the door. Nobody wanted him to leave. As has been previously discussed, he left for a better situation to be the primary pg."


He isnt playing PG at Miss State. Their pg is in fact leagues better than Hayes. And when he left the communication handed down from the program was that he wouldnt be a big loss

11/18/2021 8:09:10 AM

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"You act like he pushed Moore out the door. Nobody wanted him to leave. As has been previously discussed, he left for a better situation to be the primary pg."


I'm not gonna rehash it all from this summer, but when you sit behind two stiffs (neither of whom are seeing the floor for us this year) all year when you are clearly leagues better than both, then you got "pushed out".

As far as I'm concerned, losing Shak Moore is Keatts' biggest fuck up behind not having a coherent offensive system.

11/18/2021 8:43:39 AM

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"Overall Individual Statistics
# Player GP GS Minutes FG 3PT FT Scoring Rebounds PF AST TO STL BLK
TOT AVG FGM FGA FG% 3PT 3PTA 3PT% FTM FTA FT% PTS AVG OFF DEF TOT AVG

03
Moore, Shakeel
3 3 87 29.0 15 28 .536 8 15 .533 4 6 .667 42 14.0 1 8 9 3.0 3 5 4 7 2"


[Edited on November 18, 2021 at 9:19 AM. Reason : edit]

11/18/2021 9:17:04 AM

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not to pile on this team, but last night at multiple times I saw some of the worst basketball I've seen ever.

11/18/2021 9:19:13 AM

rwoody
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^^hmm very thought provoking

11/18/2021 9:36:04 AM

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"I'm not gonna rehash it all from this summer, but when you sit behind two stiffs (neither of whom are seeing the floor for us this year) all year when you are clearly leagues better than both, then you got "pushed out".

As far as I'm concerned, losing Shak Moore is Keatts' biggest fuck up behind not having a coherent offensive system."


These guys will hate post you for telling the truth. We pushed Shak out so Beverly/Allen could play 30+ minutes. Beverly transferred and Allen is contributing next to nothing.

11/18/2021 10:14:55 AM

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We clearly pushed Moore out so that Allen could play 30 mins/game even though Allen is only playing 12 mins/game.

11/18/2021 10:33:10 AM

rwoody
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Beverly REFUSED to transfer unless Moore was pushed out.

11/18/2021 10:34:12 AM

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Clearly talking about last year you dolts when Allen/Beverly played most of the game.

Whatever he's gone. The fact that our team has 41 assists and 42 turnovers in four games is awful. Our opponents have 59 assists to 54 turnovers.

[Edited on November 18, 2021 at 10:44 AM. Reason : Really thought Cam would step up and be the star player. 9 assists in 4 games isn't getting it done.]

11/18/2021 10:35:40 AM

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we clearly are turrible

11/18/2021 11:18:13 AM

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I guess I just don’t find it totally reprehensible that as a true freshmen Moore played only 18.6 mins/game in conference play.

But I’m rehashing an argument from 6 months ago so I’m just wasting my time.

11/18/2021 11:35:00 AM

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In a vacuum, sure. That's reasonable for a freshman. When you are playing behind players you were clearly better than and the team was losing with those players, then it makes less sense.

To tie this back to Keatts since Shak is gone and we are stuck with who we have at this point... Keatts clearly gets rather stubborn about some things when it comes to rotations. Clearly he valued BB for something and as far as I can tell it's that BB (and Allen too) didn't turn the ball over. Shak did. DJ did at times get sloppy with the ball as well.

11/18/2021 11:52:35 AM

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I am perfectly fine with trading moore for morsell, which is essentially what happened. Morsell is able to switch on defense and not get abused because he's got 3-4 inches and probably 20-25 pounds on Moore. They're both good perimeter defenders, but Moore can't guard bigger guards/wings. They're both scoring at about the same rate this season, despite MSU having played 0 competition so far. Morsell also helps out on the boards which is important since Manny is gone (and would have been important because Manny isn't an all-world rebounder anyways.)

Honestly it's too early to say who's better. But again, NOBODY WANTED MOORE GONE: NOT FANS ON THIS SITE NOR THE GODDAMN COACH. EVERYONE WANTED HIM TO STAY, HE CHOSE TO LEAVE BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE HAD A BETTER OPPORTUNITY. fuck.

[Edited on November 18, 2021 at 3:26 PM. Reason : HE PLAYED 20 MINUTES A GAME AS A FUCKING FRESHMAN]

11/18/2021 3:24:27 PM

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Imagine being so obtuse that you can’t discern the difference between actively wanting someone to leave and efffectively pushing someone out because of your poor decision making.

11/18/2021 8:09:08 PM

rwoody
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Colgate beat cuse

11/20/2021 7:29:36 PM

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I can only imagine the verbal lashing that cuseboozie is giving over on TheOrangeWeb

11/20/2021 8:08:54 PM

dmspack
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Lol

11/20/2021 10:02:04 PM

justinh524
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Imagine thinking playing an undersized 3/low 4 star freshman almost 20 minutes a game is effectively pushing him out

11/20/2021 11:07:14 PM

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nice to see our game actually televised on a regular channel

11/21/2021 6:06:41 PM

Dynasty2004
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Where is it?

11/21/2021 6:07:11 PM

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RSN / Bally

https://theacc.com/sports/2021/11/10/MBB_RSN_TXS_NCSU_21.aspx

11/21/2021 6:08:26 PM

Dynasty2004
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not on youtube tv. wtf.

11/21/2021 6:13:33 PM

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to clarify, it's on Bally Sports South, not Bally Sports SouthEast

I know SouthEast isn't on YouTube TV for some reason, I guess no Bally channels are?

this site is good for NCAAB streams http://www.blueflag.ga/2021/11/079742cb.html

11/21/2021 6:15:46 PM

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down 3 at the half. no matter what happens in the 2nd half, this is one of the worst games in the last 8 years.

11/21/2021 6:55:20 PM

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thanks for the link to the stream, although a bit challenging to click through everything on my phone. I have the bally sports app on my phone but was also having a difficult time getting the game to load.

11/21/2021 9:07:09 PM

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"I can only imagine the verbal lashing that cuseboozie is giving over on TheOrangeWeb"


Syracuse made the S16 last year and beat us three times including a beatdown in the ACCT. They will be fine.

Meanwhile we are struggling to beat SWAC schools in an empty arena.

But my all means keep up your white knight bullshit.

11/21/2021 10:29:41 PM

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we beat Syracuse the previous 3 seasons, when our best player didn't have a season ending injury

But please, continue to wallow in your miserable existance of thinking that beating Central Connecticut State is worse than losing to Colgate

11/21/2021 11:12:31 PM

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lol, that was really good. well done.

11/22/2021 10:38:20 AM

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Rebounding is a real problem when you don't have an offensive system that produces easy baskets and most will blame the lack of Bates, but he was never some monster rebounder anyways. I think Hellems trying to be "the guy" is not only fucking us on offense, but it is pulling him away from the basket and he isn't even rebounding as well as he was last year. I don't think it's a coincidence that in the last two games, we have scored more consistently after Hellems fouled out.

He is a fine player and I like the energy he brings, but being a creative scorer is not his game. Reign Hellems in and let him spot up and get the easy baskets he has always gotten. Seabron, Hayes and maybe even some TQ are the guys. Everyone else needs to have a role and chill.

11/22/2021 11:09:03 AM

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Yeah Bates was never really a particularly great rebounder for a guy his size. So even with him we were a poor rebounding team

11/22/2021 12:10:52 PM

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Maybe if Bates was down there occupying space and altering shots, it'd give the other guys more of chance to grab rebounds.... or maybe not. Doesn't matter.

11/22/2021 12:17:23 PM

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We will be looking forward to the 2022 football season fairly soon.

[Edited on November 22, 2021 at 4:12 PM. Reason : Long basketball season]

11/22/2021 4:11:34 PM

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we are a baseball, women's cross country and women's basketball school.

11/22/2021 5:49:52 PM

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LaTech is Thicc

11/27/2021 3:48:00 PM

TreeTwista10
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is today's win our 3rd worst game since the Central loss?

11/27/2021 4:01:32 PM

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It was nice to beat a decent team and not have to worry. Hellems balled and Ebe showed signs of improvement.

Nebraska is a weak B1G team ranked about where LaTech is.

11/27/2021 6:20:01 PM

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down 1 at the half. i'm surprised this is the first time we've ever played them in basketball.

12/1/2021 8:04:17 PM

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Why would anyone play Nebraska in basketball

12/1/2021 8:16:27 PM

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there’s not much to enjoy about this team right now.

12/1/2021 8:24:01 PM

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