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justinh524
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If these dipshits at the fuckin NIL collectives can't get him on campus that's really sad. I'm sure if the guys running those skimmed a little less off the top they could afford him.

6/6/2023 7:00:26 PM

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I don't think anyone on our roster is getting paid close to what OTE is paying him (supposedly north of $300k this season). Doubt our people would/could pony up that kind of moola for a freshman who wouldn't get significant minutes.

[Edited on June 6, 2023 at 9:17 PM. Reason : .]

6/6/2023 9:17:23 PM

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Ok I realize this is a dumb question but why is he making so much from OTE if he’s not good enough to play for us yet? Clearly the staff went out and got more experienced guys to help bridge the gap and fill in until he’s more experienced and ready. But wtf is he doing to make 300k at OTE?

This isn’t a case of me arguing against the players making money. I just don’t really get where these numbers come from. Is 300k really his market value for OTE even though he wouldn’t crack a mid tier P5 rotation?

6/7/2023 6:32:00 AM

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Well its really quite simple you see:
1. Play for OTE
2.?
3. Profit

[Edited on June 7, 2023 at 7:26 AM. Reason : E]

6/7/2023 7:25:25 AM

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Rivals saying he is staying at OTE and not enrolling. So…is there any transfer worth adding at this point? Or just keep the spot open?

Can’t imagine there’s anybody worth adding this late that isn’t a total gamble. But we’ll see

[Edited on June 7, 2023 at 12:19 PM. Reason : A]

6/7/2023 12:17:27 PM

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^ https://247sports.com/player/ryan-forrest-46133998/

We’ve reached out to this kid who decommitted from Memphis. We would definitely want to fill that slot based on our history with injuries.

6/7/2023 12:24:05 PM

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"I just don’t really get where these numbers come from. Is 300k really his market value for OTE even though he wouldn’t crack a mid tier P5 rotation?"


He’s got a huge social media presence and gets them a lot of clicks/pub with his highlights. I think most of the kids on OTE are getting six figures.

Supposedly he may stay committed and join with the ‘24 class.

Edit: Apparently they pay a minimum of $100k plus health insurance (https://theathletic.com/3500265/2022/04/25/top-2024-recruit-naasir-cunningham-signs-with-overtime-elite-plans-to-maintain-college-eligibility/)

[Edited on June 7, 2023 at 12:40 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2023 12:34:31 PM

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100k+ and health insurance is pretty great.

College sports has got to be headed there eventually. NIL is a fine start but doesn’t feel like a long term solution. But putting these dues on salary is the best thing long term.

6/7/2023 1:11:39 PM

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anyone else sick of this NIL crap?

6/7/2023 1:18:20 PM

dmspack
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Not really sick of NIL because the players deserve money. But I am sick of the ncaa kicking the can on it. Forcing fans/boosters to foot the bill for paying the players when the ncaa and big schools are raking in millions

6/7/2023 1:38:06 PM

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does a highschool kid "deserve" 300k to play for an AAU team? There are (NBDL/G League whatever it is) players not making that.

6/7/2023 1:55:49 PM

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Deserves whatever they're willing to pay him I guess.

6/7/2023 2:14:19 PM

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You’re worth whatever somebody is willing to pay you. So yeah. If OTE can pay that much then the high schooler is worth it.

That said, I don’t understand enough about what OTE even is to be able to understand how they are making so much money off these high schoolers that most of us have never heard of. It’s not like they’re all 5* future lottery picks. I don’t get it. But I also think it’s pretty awesome if they can afford to pay 16-18 year olds 100k+

6/7/2023 2:47:58 PM

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"I don’t understand enough about what OTE even is to be able to understand how they are making so much money off these high schoolers"


Nailed it. Same for me.

6/7/2023 2:54:20 PM

dmspack
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Is it all just propped up by Gatorade and shoe companies?

6/7/2023 3:17:09 PM

Walter
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/02/11/overtime-elite-basketball-league/6740750001/

"What is the Overtime Elite league?
Overtime is a digital sports network producing viral videos and sports content for millennial and Gen Z fans. It boasts more than 55 million monthly views across seven social platforms, but how it came to launch a school and basketball league is one of the more intriguing education stories of the moment.

Overtime Elite recruits athletes to start in their junior or senior years, or immediately after high school. Because players must be one year out of high school and at least 19 to be eligible for the NBA draft, OTE enrolls both high school and "post-grad" players up to 20 years old. Post-grads are guided into part-time internships or college classes that work around their training schedule."

"How does Overtime Elite make money?
Overtime uses video of its athletes to and target younger fans on platforms like YouTube, Instagram, Twitter and TikTok. When marketing and advertising revenue grew with the fan base, investors followed, including Amazon's Jeff Bezos, Canadian rapper Drake, Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian and more than two dozen NBA players.

Eventually, the payoff for OTE investors and shareholders could come in the form of a media rights deal – selling the league to a major network. Until then, Overtime makes money off of marketing, branding and merchandise related to its players."

6/7/2023 6:10:18 PM

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Yet another example of why ncaa basketball isn’t what it used to be. Never have any good feel for who is on the roster these days.

6/7/2023 10:36:32 PM

justinh524
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I miss the days when Mark Gottfried ran off multiple NBA players in favor of a shitty ass 25 year old freshman who wasn't good at anything.

[Edited on June 8, 2023 at 12:46 AM. Reason : Take me back]

6/8/2023 12:45:24 AM

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We play Ole Miss in the ACC/SEC challenge this year. No more ACC/B1G challenge.

6/30/2023 6:07:50 AM

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I think we will catch them early before Chris Beard can get them used to his coaching style and they will choke at the end of the game leading to a road win for the Pack. Ice cream for all!

7/1/2023 12:35:42 PM

dmspack
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Oh god. I forgot they hired Beard.

7/1/2023 2:27:29 PM

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https://www.wralsportsfan.com/keatts-hires-mike-roberts-as-nc-state-basketball-assistant/20971259/

7/25/2023 3:25:35 PM

justinh524
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Didn't realize the NCAA expanded coaching staffs. Added two assistant spots which are not allowed to do off-campus recruiting.

Also woo a guy who played for Bobby Knight and coached under Archie.

7/25/2023 6:21:55 PM

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I think this is gonna be KK’s year (natty or bust lulz)…probably the most loaded team we’ve had on paper in forever/ever(?). Anything less than a top 2 ACC finish will be a disappointment imo

7/29/2023 1:34:47 PM

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Curious, where does last years roster rank for you?

7/31/2023 2:53:02 PM

dmspack
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This is definitely the deepest team we’ve had in a while. Top to bottom talent isn’t necessarily the best we’ve had. But depth seems really impressive

7/31/2023 3:17:27 PM

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Tbd if we have BETTER players but def hard to argue we have MORE players. And DIFFERENT ones from last year, in many cases.

[Edited on July 31, 2023 at 3:43 PM. Reason : I will never be able to determine if a Walter post is a troll post]

7/31/2023 3:42:37 PM

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No question the roster is full of players. You look up and down that roster and oh buddy you will find some basketball players.

7/31/2023 4:27:07 PM

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6 would have been Quad 4 last season, 2 outside top 300


[Edited on August 9, 2023 at 7:59 PM. Reason : Lol PP article says it's NCAAs fault ]

8/9/2023 7:43:07 PM

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I think we can win some of those games. After all, we're one of the teams in the ACC.

8/9/2023 7:59:40 PM

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Good to see KK learned from past seasons of having weak non conf and went with power houses like UT Martin

8/9/2023 10:47:24 PM

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Abilene is going all the way to NC for a basketball game?

8/9/2023 10:50:24 PM

rwoody
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Yea, for jesus

8/9/2023 11:11:37 PM

justinh524
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^^^ if you're going to bitch, at least mention one of the actual bad teams on there, like the citadel or charleston southern.

I mean we're playing 4 road/neutral games against P5 teams which will all likely be quad 2 games at worst. The rest of the schedule is fine. Mostly 200ish NET teams (besides the dumpster fires that are citadel/charleston southern) which is pretty much what everyone else does.

8/9/2023 11:55:37 PM

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The schedule seems fine.

1/3 of the games are against P5 teams (and not at home…which definitely matters for NET purposes)

[Edited on August 10, 2023 at 6:14 AM. Reason : A]

8/10/2023 6:13:15 AM

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I don't know, maybe my priors need updating but six quad 4s seems like alot for a likely (in optimistic view?) bubble team in an ACC that had 5 teams outside the top 150 and was 7th in net.

8/10/2023 9:19:43 AM

dmspack
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Maybe my priors need updating but I don’t think an undefeated team is going to be on the bubble

8/10/2023 9:24:55 AM

rwoody
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I, uh, meant the NBA promotion bubble?

8/10/2023 9:27:11 AM

justinh524
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^^^ yes, we need the ACC to not be terrible again.

I mean i guess we could play a bunch of true road games against top 150 schools with no return games. That would make our NET better. But there's almost no incentive to play fringe top 150 teams at home because slight variations in ratings push those to Q4 games and them you end up with a MUCH tougher schedule (still without "marquee" home games) without any significant difference from the schedule we have now. Playing a bunch of 200s teams is fine. We (hopefully) aren't playing 5-6 300+ teams this year.

8/10/2023 12:35:28 PM

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8/10/2023 5:33:17 PM

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Kam Woods still needs a waiver to be eligible this year. And it seems like the NCAA is not tightening up on some of the waivers they’ll grant. I have no #sources but am kinda expecting Woods to not get a waiver based on how the NCAA is treating football waivers at the moment.

8/11/2023 4:31:06 PM

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Good news!

8/11/2023 4:55:17 PM

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Jesus Christ. I Grink it like twice per week on this site.

8/11/2023 5:43:53 PM

dmspack
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MJ Rice is taking a leave of absence. Still on the team. /shrug

9/20/2023 11:34:02 AM

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Apparently he's been on a leave of absence over the summer, but just "officially" confirmed it yesterday. Based on his statement, it sounds like he's about to come back?? He said "For personal reasons I needed to step away from basketball for a period of time but excited to be back with my teammates soon"

9/20/2023 11:58:24 AM

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(bust apparently there's speculation that he may not come back at all, but ???#sources??? Maybe Bucky knows)

9/20/2023 1:06:35 PM

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"NC State is going to file a waiver on behalf of Kam Woods. Kevin Keatts said he set the expectation that it’s possible Woods may have to sit out a year."


Is dms the new jt3

9/21/2023 4:53:24 PM

dmspack
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Sources says I am

9/21/2023 6:04:09 PM

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https://www.wralsportsfan.com/keatts-cooking-up-new-ingredients-for-the-wolfpack/21061782/

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"Now, Chef "Boyar-Keatts" has something new he's cooking up State fans: it's the same NC State with a new recipe."

9/22/2023 3:53:08 PM

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Lol

From that ^

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""I think we have possibly ten guys we can put in the game," Keatts said Thursday at NC State's preseason media day.

"


We have 13 scholarship players. I’m assuming he’s not counting Rice since he’s on leave. And maybe not counting Kam Woods since he’s going to need a waiver to play. So I have to assume the 11th scholarship player who he’s saying sucks must be…Breon Pass, right?

[Edited on September 22, 2023 at 4:03 PM. Reason : B]

9/22/2023 4:03:13 PM

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