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"Your definition and opinion of liability differs from that of the society in which you live and who's laws govern you. Neat. have fun with that in in your imaginary kingdom. "

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"But I don't expect others to play with me in my imaginary world when the laws in reality say something different."

== if you have opinions that differ from society in which you live and laws that govern you, then you are living in an imaginary world aka you are crazy.

[Edited on April 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM. Reason : .]

4/10/2012 2:23:41 PM

I don't agree with your contention that the Martin's are money grubbing because they are pursuing a cause of action set out by the laws of this country.

I have no issues with you disagreeing with the system. But it's a little high and mighty of you for saying someone else is "only after money" for pursuing an option in which our country has clearly determined there would be liability, just because you, personally, don't think that's how liability should be defined.

[Edited on April 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM. Reason : ]

4/10/2012 2:24:16 PM

the way the HOA will defend itself in this situation is by painting Trayvon as what he was; a dumb kid with who made a conscious decision to attack Zimmerman instead of running away, thus making him responsible for a significant portion of why he's now dead. They'll also bring to light his previous suspension from school for possession of stolen goods, painting him as a potential burglar that was scoping out houses in the neighborhood to hit later on. I'm sure toxicology will come back positive for marijuana as well, which will again paint Trayvon negatively by putting more validity to the school suspension records.

The HOA would be outright stupid to try to paint Zimmerman as a vigilante in this scenario, because they'll lose that battle with a quickness.

4/10/2012 2:25:12 PM

well, I disagree with such lawsuits all the time, so is it really high and mighty? And you're saying the same thing as the troll. Because someone's opinion differs from establishment, it shouldn't be stated? Everyone disagrees with some law/procedure/etc. and voices opinions about it; why can't I?

I think throwing pot smokers in jail is stupid. That differs from society's and government's view and differs from the law. Am I crazy for disagreeing with said entities and and wanting to change the law?

[Edited on April 10, 2012 at 2:29 PM. Reason : .]

4/10/2012 2:26:45 PM

^^Their best defense would also be that no one called him to report Trayvon. He went out on his own, and was not called upon by the HOA, or anyone in the neighborhood as a result of that newsletter for that specific piece of action. The question will be whether or not Zimmerman believed he was acting on behalf of the HOA when he pursued him.

I think it'll be a close case, honestly, but the Martins have the right to bring it.

^You keep going back and forth saying you disagree with such lawsuits all the time, and then stating their are instances in which they are proper. Which is it? You won't define your opinion, you won't answer the specific questions posed, and yet your stances seems to keep shifting. You can think whatever you want, just don't expect the rest of us to conform to your expectations. And perhaps, if you were ever on the side of the wrongful death claimant, you would think differently.

No one is saying you can't hold your opinions. I'm just calling you out, WITH MY OPINION, for condemning other's actions based on YOUR standards, and not the standard of the law.

[Edited on April 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on April 10, 2012 at 2:32 PM. Reason : ]

4/10/2012 2:28:08 PM

Haha, it has never changed. I said from the start that unrelated parties shouldn't be able to be sued. Thus in this case, the HOA. I said that related parties could be sued, thus in this case GZ.

I also stated that had GZ held an official position with the HOA, then the HOA could be held liable.

How is that going back and forth?

I'm not expecting anyone to conform to my opinions. Like all other posters ITT, I'm voicing mine.

[Edited on April 10, 2012 at 2:32 PM. Reason : .]

4/10/2012 2:31:27 PM

the parents should consider suing scrawny ass rappers like Drake and Lil Wayne for acting like Billy Badasses on all their songs and encouraging people who don't know better to make really stupid confrontational decisions.

[Edited on April 10, 2012 at 2:34 PM. Reason : the kid even had an online persona of "No_Limit_Nigga"; I'd say hip-hop was a big influence on him]

4/10/2012 2:32:46 PM

Drake acts like a billy bad ass?

4/10/2012 2:34:39 PM

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" I'm just calling you out, WITH MY OPINION, for condemning other's actions based on YOUR standards, and not the standard of the law."

Haha, start doing this to everyone then. And I have been in a situation where I could have sued a third party for certain damages. However, that third party was completely unrelated, but because of our fucked up liability laws/views, I could have held them liable and sued. I did not.

[Edited on April 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM. Reason : .]

4/10/2012 2:35:38 PM

And I'm a lawyer, so, I would have sued.

4/10/2012 2:37:33 PM

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"Drake acts like a billy bad ass? "

Listen to his verse on Rick Ross' Stay Schemin. I can't help but laugh every time I hear it.

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" It bothers me when the Gods get to acting like the broads Guess every team doesn’t come complete with niggas like ours Thats why I see no need to compete with niggas like y’all I just ask them when you see me you speak up nigga thats all Don’t be ducking like you never wanted nothing Its feeling like rap changed, there was a time it was rugged Back when if a nigga reached it was for the weapon Nowadays niggas reach just to sell they record Spaghetti bolognese in Appolo lounge Me and my G from DC thats how I roll around Might look light, but we heavy though You think Drake will pull some shit like that you never know Million dollar meetings in appollo lounge Me and my man all Oliver North thats how I roll around Shawty wanna tell me secrets ’bout a rap nigga I tell a bitch its more attractive when you hold it down Kobe ’bout to lose a hundred fifty M’s Kobe my nigga I hate it, had to be him Bitch you wasn’t with me shooting in the gym (Bitch you wasn’t with me shooting in the gym) Tell Lucien I said f-ck it I’m tearing holes in my budget Bag her like we in Publix and take her ass out in public Ordered it a filet tell her butterfly she’ll love it She used to soda and nuggets she really just out here thuggin’ Im just hittin my pinnacle you and pussy identical You like the f-ckin finish line we can’t wait to run into you But let me get my mind of that Young rich muthaf-cker getting mine off rap with my niggas "

4/10/2012 2:49:48 PM

I laugh at the fact that you think thats bad ass

4/10/2012 2:56:33 PM

ah, yes, the blaming of the absolutely dangerous hip hop genre



absolutely pathetic

4/10/2012 2:56:37 PM

^^billy bad ass and bad ass are two very different things.

4/10/2012 3:01:43 PM

nope

4/10/2012 3:03:06 PM

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"The HOA would be outright stupid to try to paint Zimmerman as a vigilante in this scenario, because they'll lose that battle with a quickness."

Then you would be wrong. Beethoven has already hit on it...but they need to look more at separating Zimmerman from the HOA then worry about painting Martin in a bad light...which is also a dangerous line to walk with a jury.

4/10/2012 3:05:01 PM

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"The two attorneys who have been representing George Zimmerman announced at a press conference moments ago that they are withdrawing as his legal counsel. "On Sunday, we lost track of George, in that he would not return our calls," attorney Hal Uhrig said. Said attorney Craig Sonner, "I've lost contact with him at this point.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-press-conference-20120410,0,4146078.story

4/10/2012 4:56:52 PM

IT BEGINS.

4/10/2012 5:06:57 PM

Oh fuck, haha

If that dude skates town, there is going to be hell to pay

4/10/2012 5:07:32 PM

I wonder how much money he got from his website...?

Just when you thought this case couldn't get nuttier...

4/10/2012 5:22:03 PM

Not illegal for him to leave town.

4/10/2012 5:23:48 PM

https://twitter.com/#!/cnnbrk/status/189820058879537153

4/10/2012 5:27:27 PM

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" They said that against their advice, Zimmerman contacted the special prosecutor who will decide if he should face charges."

wtf is wrong with people.

4/10/2012 5:30:08 PM

This entire fiasco is just getting to be absolutely fucking ridiculous.

4/10/2012 5:30:18 PM

Sure, perhaps not illegal for him to leave town. I meant "skate town" as more of a figure of speech instead of a literal definition.

Still, I would have a very very hard time believing the police have not told him "don't go too far...and make sure we know of your whereabouts"

4/10/2012 5:34:01 PM

At least he knows if any of these wack jobs come at him he can kill them and get away with it

4/10/2012 5:36:47 PM

haha, man I think if I were in Zimmerman's shoes at this point I would ask the police department if I could rent out one of their jail cells.

4/10/2012 5:38:22 PM

^ why? Getting a conviction at this point would be like trying to get a stick of butter up a wildcat's ass with a hot poker. Dude's probably in Argentina or wherever he's half from right now.

4/10/2012 5:59:45 PM

I think his mother is Peruvian.

And I think he's in the U.S.... at least I hope he is.

To answer your question of why? If he is still in the U.S., he can't show his face in public. He's a prisoner somewhere. He would probably be safer as a "prisoner" in a jail cell than in his daddy's basement.



And I don't personally believe getting a conviction will be that difficult. I think if the prosecutor can convince the jury that either
A) That Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon first, or
B) That the provocation started when Zimmerman got out of his car and chased Trayvon down**

then the entire self defense argument will go out of the window.

What I think will be interesting to see is what exactly the prosecutor knows. As in....the condition of Trayvon's body (aside from the bullet hole), any unknown (to us) witnesses, how the gun was fired, etc...

** One very murky definition is that of provocation.

[Edited on April 10, 2012 at 6:22 PM. Reason : moof]

4/10/2012 6:11:50 PM

I actually think this guy could go out and nobody would recognize him.

Maybe in Sanford...

But hell, I've been following this case pretty close, and we've basically only seen two pics of this guy, one is from 5yrs ago when he was fat, the other is a somewhat out of focus one of him in a business suit with a goatee.

If he shaved or grew out a full beard, and put on a baseball cap or something, he could probably walk right past half these idiots calling for his head and they wouldn't even know it was him.

It was like back when some experts were saying if Bin Laden cut his hair and shaved, he could probably stop you and ask you for directions and you'd have no clue it was even him.


Most people at this point have no clue what Zimmerman actually looks like in person.

[Edited on April 10, 2012 at 6:17 PM. Reason : ,]

4/10/2012 6:16:39 PM

Maybe! I'm not even going to pretend to know other people's facial recognition abilities.

4/10/2012 6:27:52 PM

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"And I don't personally believe getting a conviction will be that difficult. I think if the prosecutor can convince the jury that either A) That Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon first, or B) That the provocation started when Zimmerman got out of his car and chased Trayvon down** then the entire self defense argument will go out of the window. "

The prosecution needs to prove that Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon first. What evidence of this is there?

It's not illegal to chase after someone, especially when the law doesn't require you to back down in order to claim self-defense. If I'm a store clerk and I suspect you of stealing something from my store, I can absolutely chase you down. But in most states, if he starts swinging at me, I can't just shoot the guy if I can get away and I don't see evidence of a gun on him. In Florida, you don't have to run.

That's something that some of you can't get through your thick heads. Zimmerman was under no obligation to retreat.

Zimmerman can easily argue mistake of facts. And the prosecution needs to do a bit more than "convince" a jury. They need to be able to present facts and evidence, otherwise even if a jury convicts, it will just end up being overturned on appeals. As of now, Zimmerman has physical evidence that was noted by the police when they arrived that backs up his story that Trayvon was on top of him kicking his ass. Then you have the conflicting stories of the witnesses, some of them who have changed their story multiple times, the fact it was raining and night and pretty much their testimony will be thrown out or shred to pieces by both sides.

4/11/2012 2:24:36 AM

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" If I'm a store clerk and I suspect you of stealing something from my store, I can absolutely chase you down. But in most states"

I don't think ths is true in most places. But Zimmerman wasn't tending anything, and didn't claim to suspect Martin of any crime in particular.

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" That's something that some of you can't get through your thick heads. Zimmerman was under no obligation to retreat."

Lol retreat from what? The kid he followed around in the dark with a gun?

I happened to be waking around chapel hill in the dark this past week, and even though I was with several other people, I was constantly looking around behind me. It occurred to me If I saw someone actively following me, I would have assumed they were up to no good. If Martin made this same assumption, it turns out he was right in this case.

4/11/2012 8:21:45 AM

I mean, there's no EVIDENCE that I know of to say that Trayvon swung on Zimmerman first either.


What I'm saying is a claim of self defense will be pretty hard to argue depending on when the court decides the provocation started.

[Edited on April 11, 2012 at 9:08 AM. Reason : J]

4/11/2012 8:52:04 AM

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"He's a prisoner somewhere. He would probably be safer as a "prisoner" in a jail cell than in his daddy's basement."

I hear prison is super safe these days.

4/11/2012 9:19:26 AM

This Zimmerman kid sounds like a fucking idiot....calling the prosecutor without talking to his attorneys?? I can see him fucking up on the witness stand...and I think he NEEDS to be on the witness stand to hold up his defense. I would LOVE to watch this trial.

4/11/2012 9:21:46 AM

No one said anything about prison, skack

4/11/2012 9:29:31 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/detroit/michigan-teacher-claims-she-fired-organizing-trayvon-martin-144713504.html

4/11/2012 9:44:37 AM

the smartest thing this guy could do is flee the country before he gets martyred by a court system that's being driven by the media.

4/11/2012 9:49:42 AM

^^

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"I was told I was a bad teacher, that I was being unprofessional, that I'm being paid to teach, not to be an activist. When I tried to defend myself, it was construed as insubordination,"

She couldn't process that?

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"Harris then returned to school while suspended to drop off prizes for a literacy fair. Harris met with Cassell again and was given a two-week suspension."

Yeah... drop off prizes. Sounds like she just wanted to get her foot in the door and be confrontational again. Word of advice. Don't bring skittles to your next meeting.

[Edited on April 11, 2012 at 9:53 AM. Reason : -]

4/11/2012 9:51:07 AM

Given that Zimmerman's defense attornies were most likely his lifeline to the prosecutor, and they are now gone, I would not be surprised if a decision to arrest Zimmerman is moved up.

As in, I'm sure the defense attornies telling the prosecutor "don't worry....we are in contact with him and he's not going to flee" was a big reason he hadn't been arrested. Now they are saying they don't know where he us and he won't communicate with us.

4/11/2012 9:58:52 AM

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"And the prosecution needs to do a bit more than "convince" a jury. "

Hell, with most juries the prosecution doesn't even need to convince them of anything. They're willing to throw people in jail with no evidence.

4/11/2012 10:00:53 AM

^This.

4/11/2012 10:06:35 AM

^^
This.

4/11/2012 10:09:26 AM

One day they'll find that router. One day...

4/11/2012 10:10:01 AM

^^^^
That.

[Edited on April 11, 2012 at 10:11 AM. Reason : grrr's humongous donk got in the way]

4/11/2012 10:10:36 AM

Probably sitting in a Cisco storage room.

Or someone will trip over it while jogging in a canoe.

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"Uhrig said after they found out that news, the "final straw" came when they learned Zimmerman contacted Corey's office and said he wanted to meet. Uhrig said he told her he no longer had attorneys whom he called "legal advisers" representing him. Uhrig said they were "a bit astonished" that he had contacted her on his own and that Corey and her team refused to talk to a potential defendant or suspect without counsel."

I will say that's pretty respectable of a prosecutor.

[Edited on April 11, 2012 at 10:14 AM. Reason : ]

4/11/2012 10:10:40 AM

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"Or someone will trip over it while jogging in a canoe."

ahaha the mental image of that made my morning.

4/11/2012 10:13:52 AM

just checking in...

this is bad news that Zimmerman is mia. I hope he doesn't do anything to hurt himself. Thats the first thing that crossed my mind.

4/11/2012 12:00:29 PM

so what happens if he offs himself

or

he is murdered?

4/11/2012 12:30:22 PM