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0EPII1
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^^ , ^

So it turns out the car to be released on June 8 is not the BRZ STi, but the production version of the WRX STi Type RA. The RA stands for "Record Attempt", the Prodrive-tuned 600 hp Type RA which attempted to traverse the Nurburgring in under 7 minutes last month, but they chose the wrong day... it was wet as hell!

I wonder how much power the production version will have.

https://www.motor1.com/news/147179/subaru-wrx-sti-type-ra-teaser

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"While the full details and images will be released next week, there are a number of things I can confirm right now. Based on the 2018 model year STI, the Type RA will have a carbon fiber roof panel (pictured above), a carbon fiber rear wing, an upgraded suspension with Bilstein dampers, 19-inch forged BBS wheels (in gold!), and Recaro seats. Subaru also confirms the RA will have “gearing and engine upgrades,” though it’s unclear exactly what those are at this time. Until I hear otherwise, I’ll assume it's the 600-horsepower Prodrive tune of the race car. (Okay, that's wrong. But I can dream, right?)"


To see the attempted very wet run by the Type RA, click below for amazing pictures of the gorgeous 600-hp beast in high-speed spraying water-action, as well as impressive video footage:

https://www.motor1.com/features/147177/subaru-wrx-sti-nurburgring-record-attempt

Interestingly, it is the same car that broke the Isle of Man TT lap record last year. In-car footage linked in link above.

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"The modifications are substantial. Yes, that’s Subaru’s turbocharged, 2.0-liter boxer engine under the hood (from the WRX, since the STI uses a 2.5), but it’s heavily massaged and boosted, putting out roughly 600 horsepower. The Prodrive team says it’ll rev up to 8,500 rpm, though one engineer admits “we’ve run it to nine” before. Prodrive adds its own sequential gearbox, with shifts that take between 20 and 25 milliseconds to execute. That’s far quicker than your average dual-clutch gearbox, and way quicker than any human’s reflexes. The only part of the powertrain that carries over unchanged is the STI’s trick active center differential, which moves power fluidly between all four wheels."

6/2/2017 6:21:33 AM

TerdFerguson
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but those engine photos seem to show "only" a top mount intercooler and it doesn't even seem to be that much bigger than a WRX's? Seems kinda crazy for a 600hp 2L.

6/2/2017 7:51:26 AM

TKE-Teg
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^^FYI Subaru is DEFINITELY revealing some new variant of the BRZ on the 8th. I don't care what that hack website says, the teaser image of a trunk with a wing they posted on Twitter last week is 100% the trunklid of a BRZ.

They may be revealing a WRX variant as well, but definitely a BRZ first and foremost.

6/5/2017 9:28:28 AM

tchenku
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^^that's an air filter

It's likely piped up to a huge front-mount

6/5/2017 9:33:09 PM

0EPII1
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^^ we shall see! different sources are saying different things, but all the sources that i came across which said it is going to be a brz sti after the teaser was released, have changed it to now saying it is the wrx sti ra.

6/6/2017 3:29:51 AM

TKE-Teg
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???

Explain to me why you're placing higher value in what a few online publications have said, over a photo released by Subaru of America.

6/6/2017 10:43:18 AM

0EPII1
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Is it possible to tell from the teaser if it is the BRZ or the WRX? I thought it wasn't!

But if it is, and it is the BRZ in that teaser, then you are right!

6/6/2017 4:17:40 PM

TKE-Teg
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Yes my friend, it is possible. Rear trunklid of a BRZ is considerably different than one of an Impreza.

6/6/2017 4:54:39 PM

0EPII1
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6/6/2017 5:21:06 PM

TKE-Teg
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If you still had any doubts, another Subaru teaser...

6/7/2017 12:22:56 PM

0EPII1
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yeah i saw that earlier today but then forgot to post it here lol.

and the latest info i read says that both will be released tomorrow!

oh, and it is going to be the BRZ tS, not a full-fledged BRZ STi... which mean no power upgrade, but updated suspension, reduced weight, etc.

at least that's what the current speculation says.

[Edited on June 7, 2017 at 2:19 PM. Reason : ]

6/7/2017 2:10:59 PM

TKE-Teg
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I'd be "okay" with a tS model except for the following reasons:

1) It'll be overpriced I'm sure
2) Subaru teasing images of a performance BRZ, acting like it's even worth the effort (it's not)
3) Putting a big wing on a 205 hp car is retarded any way you look at it (if those spy photos are to be believed).
4) Are we seriously to believe that it's taken SoA TWO YEARS to bring over the tS model (that's been available in Japan since 2015)

[Edited on June 7, 2017 at 3:07 PM. Reason : ]

6/7/2017 3:06:32 PM

0EPII1
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^ yeah i was more or less thinking along the same lines, esp. 2 and 4.

here they are:

BRZ tS: https://www.motor1.com/news/147866/subaru-brz-ts-sti-revealed

WRX STI Type RA: https://www.motor1.com/news/147832/subaru-wrx-sti-type-ra

Both limited 500 units...

6/8/2017 10:31:21 AM

0EPII1
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^ yeah i was more or less thinking along the same lines, esp. 2 and 4.

here they are:

BRZ tS: https://www.motor1.com/news/147866/subaru-brz-ts-sti-revealed

WRX STI Type RA: https://www.motor1.com/news/147832/subaru-wrx-sti-type-ra

Both limited 500 units...

6/8/2017 10:31:21 AM

tchenku
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a big to both

6/8/2017 12:18:39 PM

TKE-Teg
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I'd like to send over a 7 page fax to SoA. 2 words, one sheet per word.

6/8/2017 1:20:24 PM

TerdFerguson
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"that's an air filter"


Ahahaha.......sigh



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I guess I want to see a BRZ STI so that Subaru can let it serve as rally and rallycross car. I only loosely follow GRC, but Subaru is getting the shit beat out of it. It could be because they aren't investing the money they need to but I also think the shorter wheelbase cars have advantages in those races, and the WRX just keeps growing. Rally America they are still solid in, but I chalk that up to the number of privateers and the ease of converting an STI into a rally machine. WRC I see the same trend of shorter wheelbase cars.

Subaru needs to (seriously) go racing again!!!

6/8/2017 1:57:45 PM

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https://www.motor1.com/news/174465/subaru-sedan-lap-record-nurburgring/

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"The WRX STI Type RA NBR Special lapped the course in 6 minutes and 57.5 seconds. This is a new lap record for a four-door sedan and a time on par with the Porsche 918 Spyder’s 6:57."


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"To be clear, the NBR Special is not a production car. The Prodrive-built machine uses a 2017 WRX STI at its base but features a rally-spec 2.0-liter turbocharged flat four-cylinder that pumps out 600 horsepower (474 kilowatts). A World-Rally-Championship-spec gearbox channels the power to both axles. This is the same vehicle that Subaru used to lap the Isle of Man TT course and for sprinting up the Goodwood Hill Climb, but the latest evolution added a new body kit for improved handling, including an active rear wing."

7/21/2017 10:13:52 PM

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http://jalo.ps/FwUCSQr

3/13/2018 8:17:28 AM

TKE-Teg
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Barely news. Just another bullshit excuse quoted by a factory engineer with dubious science behind it.

3/13/2018 11:59:09 AM

0EPII1
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2022 BRZ unveiled!!!

https://www.motor1.com/news/455005/2022-subaru-brz-video-debut/

NA 2.4 liter
11% more power
15% more torque

I would have thought they would have gone to around 235 hp min, but it is 228.

Click for video, pics, specs, and driving impression.

TKE-Teg, your new car is here

11/18/2020 9:21:47 AM

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ok now that actually is appliance car performance

11/18/2020 6:33:41 PM

smoothcrim
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didn't the 2002 wrx have 228 hp at a similar weight?

https://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/2002/Subaru/Impreza-4-Cyl-AWD/Sedan-4D-WRX-AWD/Specs
*227hp 3100lbs
but 4 doors and a full sized spare.

11/19/2020 1:38:12 PM

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I wish it had more power, but the bigger problem is the price hike. I've always viewed the 86 as a sort of supermiata, but the ND Miata has gotten more motor under the hood, dropped a bunch of weight, and is what, like $5k cheaper?

Presumably the new 86 will be available with the upgraded suspension and brake package, but then you'll probably be looking at mid-30s or more...at that point, fuck it. Spend a little more and get an SS 1LE.


I actually ended up with my car after setting out to buy a cheap track toy, looking for a Miata...but the NAs and NBs were going for stupid prices if you could find a clean example, and the NCs were almost as much as an 86...so I spent a little more than I had originally planned and bought an FR-S.

11/22/2020 1:32:05 AM

tchenku
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I read a good point somewhere... Toyota can't let it compete with the 255hp Supra

11/22/2020 8:38:27 PM

theDuke866
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Well yeah...duh!

(Speaking of cars with no justification for purchase...)

11/22/2020 11:28:04 PM

TKE-Teg
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"I wish it had more power, but the bigger problem is the price hike. I've always viewed the 86 as a sort of supermiata, but the ND Miata has gotten more motor under the hood, dropped a bunch of weight, and is what, like $5k cheaper?

Presumably the new 86 will be available with the upgraded suspension and brake package, but then you'll probably be looking at mid-30s or more...at that point, fuck it. Spend a little more and get an SS 1LE."


Where are you coming up with any of this? Pricing for the 2nd gen BRZ hasn't been released yet. MSRP for a base 2020 BRZ has creeped up to around $29k I think, but that's mostly because last year they discontinued the "base" (Premium) trim level. The only trim level for a 2020 BRZ is the Limited model.

If the this new model is available with several trim levels, I'd expect the increase to be around $1000 across the board (any more is BS IMO). As to Miatas, maybe you haven't checked their pricing in a while but those things are not cheap. If you want a Miata with the "performance goodies" you're looking at $32-33k. A BRZ with comparable equipment (upgraded suspension and brembo brakes) is about $2000 less.

11/23/2020 10:16:13 AM

tchenku
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lol do they really call their base models "Premium?"

11/23/2020 12:38:44 PM

0EPII1
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Only if Toyota sold the Yaris GR in the USA. 257 hp from a 1.6 liter, 3-cyl motorsport tuned engine, on a custom-built chassis. Most powerful 3-cyl engine in the world, and one dyno test showed 274 hp.

That car is receiving rave reviews from all corners, which is not surprising as it is a road-legal rally car.

11/23/2020 3:49:54 PM

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