The funniest shit is that the model has deaths peaking today and experts have always said it will be safe to start easing restrictions as soon as you see deaths peak and start going down. According to all of that, the day would be...Easter. Did trump shoot the fucking bottle from a mile away?

4/10/2020 1:36:24 PM

^I don't recall anyone saying it's OK to start easing restrictions as soon as deaths have peaked, as that would quite obviously be premature.

4/10/2020 2:51:16 PM

You're right because it only works in hindsight. The models may not be accurate and there are a lot of variables involved. It could peak today, go down for a few days and then peak again and keep going up. You can't know it actually peaked and went down until a few weeks after the fact. So yeah, it would be irresponsible to relax on the 2nd day down because you won't know if it was the right time for a few weeks.

4/10/2020 2:55:35 PM

So, no, trump did not hit this bottle, nor any other bottle ever.

4/10/2020 3:14:24 PM

Quote :

"You're right because it only works in hindsight."

It has nothing to do with hindsight. It's about whether or not experts set out a timeline for easing restrictions once the death rate starts dropping. That was your claim, after all.

I'm right because you lied when you made that claim, and I called you out on it, you Trump-apologistic piece of shit.

They never made that claim, liar.

4/10/2020 5:13:36 PM

Birx and Fauci are who I was refferring to when i said "experts". They have said that several times so its not a lie. They specifically did not set a timeline because they say "the virus sets the timeline" and we will only know it by looking for deaths to peak. Once we can confirm deaths have peaked and started to go down, we can start easing restrictions. You may consider them to be working for Trump but thats always been what they've said so I don't know what else to tell you.

[Edited on April 10, 2020 at 7:59 PM. Reason : k]

4/10/2020 7:58:35 PM

You're gonna have to give me an exact quote with citation because....guess what?.....



I mean, sure, the restrictions will be eased some time after the deaths peak. You're trying to paint it as though they said restrictions will be eased immediately after the peak. As in like the day after tomorrow.

I guarantee you they did not say that and you're a piece of shit liar for suggesting so.

4/10/2020 8:09:53 PM

I already tried to explain to you that no one can possibly know the deaths have peaked immediately after they have.

[Edited on April 10, 2020 at 8:20 PM. Reason : watch the breifings. i know cnn isn't showing all of them anymore but watch them]

4/10/2020 8:14:39 PM

LOL

TWO THOUSAND PEOPLE DIED TODAY. IS DONALD TRUMP A GENIUS OR WHAT!?!

4/10/2020 8:21:40 PM

Quote :

"I already tried to explain to you that no one can possibly know the deaths have peaked immediately after they have."

And I am trying to explain to you that even if they did know, it would be too soon to ease restrictions. And no expert has said anything otherwise, despite your bullshit lies.

And where's that quote I asked for, bro? Put up or shut the fuck up with your bullshit already, son.

ETA: And I have watched the briefings: The experts never said what you claimed because you fucking lied when you said it.

[Edited on April 10, 2020 at 11:45 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on April 10, 2020 at 11:45 PM. Reason : ]

4/10/2020 11:42:58 PM

I'm sorry the briefings are too long for you but no one's going to go back and rewatch several days worth of 2 hour briefings just to spoon feed you the content. You've just missed it. Lucky for you I've told you about it. Its not like its a wild concept to think you could ease some guidelines after weeks of declining infection. You can believe whatever you want.

Also if your attention span isn't long enough, find a way to listen to KPWR, because they have an ad that plays almost every hour with an excerpt from an interview with a USC expert saying pretty much the same thing.

4/11/2020 2:00:24 AM

The briefings are too long? Listen, dumbass, I just told you I watched the briefings and you are incorrect about the statements the experts have made. If you're gonna keep on lying to me, at least pay attention to what I say, moron.

[Edited on April 11, 2020 at 2:22 AM. Reason : ]

4/11/2020 2:22:13 AM

Quote :

"because they have an ad that plays almost every hour with an excerpt from an interview with a USC expert saying pretty much the same thing."

If that were actually the case then it would be easy for you to simply provide a cite, now wouldn't it, liar?

4/11/2020 2:23:43 AM

Its easy to cite text but not so easy to cite something you heard OTA. I've already told you the names of people who said it, what they said, and where they said it. If thats not enough, then I think I will be able to go on just fine with you not knowing.

Even if I was incorrect, you're being a complete ass about it and I am much less inclined to try and help someone who behaves this way. Any adult who watched the briefings and heard differently would just correct the situation by saying what was actually said instead of demanding to be provided a quote of what was said.

[Edited on April 11, 2020 at 3:33 AM. Reason : k]

4/11/2020 3:32:38 AM

Oh, so you can't back it up, huh?

Thought so.

LOL

ETA: And get it straight: I'm not asking you to help me understand. I'm simply pointing out you're full of shit.

[Edited on April 11, 2020 at 3:51 AM. Reason : ]

4/11/2020 3:50:57 AM

Yet you still haven't said the "correct" version of what was said. Take your own advice.

4/11/2020 4:02:47 AM

I'm not the one making a claim I can't back up; I simply know the experts aren't ignorant enough to ease restrictions two days after the peak of the death rate. Only a fucking moron would believe that.

4/11/2020 4:05:00 AM

Now, having said that, here's a quote from Fauci: “So I’m not against releasing the restrictions — I’m actually for it in an appropriate place — but I don’t recommend that unless we have the tools in place.”

Note a conspicuous absence of it being predicated on the death rate peaking.

Liar.

4/11/2020 4:14:46 AM

The "appropriate place" hes referring to is on the backside of the curve after the peak in death rate.

You're going in circles now just for the sake of creating confrontation. Heres what I've already said

Quote :

"You're right because it only works in hindsight. The models may not be accurate and there are a lot of variables involved. It could peak today, go down for a few days and then peak again and keep going up. You can't know it actually peaked and went down until a few weeks after the fact. So yeah, it would be irresponsible to relax on the 2nd day down because you won't know if it was the right time for a few weeks."

4/11/2020 4:52:49 AM

Nice job of ignoring the "I don’t recommend that unless we have the tools in place" which, incidentally, refers to adequate supplies for sufficient testing of people for coronavirus.

And I'm arguing against your original comment:

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"...experts have always said it will be safe to start easing restrictions as soon as you see deaths peak and start going down. According to all of that, the day would be...Easter."

You know, that was kind of your point in kissing Trump's ass about hitting the target from a mile away.

Are you retracting that little bit of stupidity now?

You should.

4/11/2020 5:18:47 AM

Quote :

" They develop drugs, like the antibiotics, you see it — antibiotics used to solve every problem,” Trump claimed. “No, one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can’t keep up with it, they’re constantly trying to come up with — a new. People go to a hospital and they catch — they go for a heart operation, that’s no problem, and they end up dying from problems,” Trump says. “You know the problems I’m talking about.” “There’s a whole genius to it,” he explained. “We’re fighting — not only is it hidden, but it’s very smart,” he continued. “It’s invisible and it’s hidden, but it’s very smart.”"

Its so god damn sad to me that so many people (in media, in government, because of their political tribalism) have to pretend these briefings are worthwhile.

4/11/2020 5:44:07 AM

While I'm still waiting for horosho to provide his made up quote from the "experts", this seems quite relevant:

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"New U.S. government figures show novel coronavirus infections will spike during the summer if stay-at-home orders are lifted after 30 days as planned, the New York Times reported on Friday."

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-04-10/new-us-projections-show-summer-spike-if-coronavirus-restrictions-lifted-nyt

4/11/2020 7:45:19 AM

Chances Trump will let the USPS die? Would be a great way to disrupt mail in ballots for the upcoming elections.

4/11/2020 8:01:03 AM

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" Lucky for you I've told you about it. Its not like its a wild concept to think you could ease some guidelines after weeks of declining infection."

Wait, this isn’t what you argued initially. You said that you could do it immediately at peak deaths. You even quote-posted yourself. Then you later said what you previously said was irrelevant because you can’t determine a peak in any but hindsight.

Then you contradicted your initial comment on just a few days by posting what I just quoted and saying it’s now weeks after which makes your point about Trump being right... actually wrong regardless of hindsight. You’re running in circles and contradicting yourself for what??? A bizarre attempt to make it look like Donald Trump was right about packing churches out on Easter?

AcTuAlLy, TrUmP iS a SuPeR gEnIoUs

[Edited on April 11, 2020 at 8:43 AM. Reason : X]

4/11/2020 8:41:54 AM

Quote :

"You know, that was kind of your point in kissing Trump's ass about hitting the target from a mile away. Are you retracting that little bit of stupidity now? You should."

I asked a question and you created an answer that involved me kissing ass. Never happened.

The last link you posted is new information. Ironically, it was brought up in the briefing and Birx and Fauci didn't comment because they did not know about it.

Hell, one new study says lockdowns shouldn't be lifted until theres a vaccine which is extremely different from what we've heard before.

You should realize that this is a dynamic, evolving situation and new information is coming out all of the time. Experts say different things as they get more data. Different experts say different things. There are even multiple approaches. See Sweden where they lockdown the vulnerable population and let everyone else create herd immunity.

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"Then you contradicted your initial comment on just a few days by posting what I just quoted and saying it’s now weeks after which makes your point about Trump being right"

A few days after a point on a graph that may take weeks to validate. I immediately clarified that the very next post so its disingenuous to try and imply i am "contradicting myself"

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"A bizarre attempt to make it look like Donald Trump was right about packing churches out on Easter?"

It was a question.

4/11/2020 2:19:18 PM

JuSt AsKiNg QuEsTiOnS gUyS!

4/11/2020 2:40:09 PM

Oh, it was just a question? Then allow me to amend my original response:

Quote :

" Did trump shoot the fucking bottle from a mile away?"

Answer: No, and that's a stupid question you fucking moron.

4/11/2020 6:32:46 PM

Quote :

" Experts say different things as they get more data. Different experts say different things."

But none of them said what you claimed they said.

4/11/2020 6:40:19 PM

Asking a clearly rhetorical question and then screaming IT'S JUST A QUESTION. Right next saying something racist and then saying I WAS JOKING!

4/11/2020 11:12:34 PM

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/492324-california-governor-praises-trumps-efforts-to-help-state-amid

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"But I got to say this. It’s just a fact. I’d be lying to you. I’d be lying to the American people. Every single direct request that he was capable of meeting, he has met,” Newsom said. “This has been a remarkable moment where at least we have been able to rise above that partisanship.”"

Add Gavin Newsome to the list of anti-anti Trump Earls

4/12/2020 5:32:35 PM

^gotta kiss the ring to get aid

4/12/2020 5:44:39 PM

Find anything in life you’re as passionate about as Earl is defending Trump on TheWolfWeb

4/12/2020 5:50:28 PM

Just when you think things couldn't get any more bonkers, Trump retweets "#firefauci."

4/13/2020 8:04:09 AM

I just can't understate how frustrating it is that while this pandemic shining a spotlight on many of the systemic failures of our country, all many people can do is point blame at Donald Trump.

[Edited on April 13, 2020 at 8:15 AM. Reason : response to ^^ inspired by john oliver's ending before someone on here sues me for plagiarism ]

4/13/2020 8:12:27 AM

Why would you even consider firing what appears to be the one sane, consistent voice coming from our government?

4/13/2020 8:24:18 AM

^Its because he got a question on CNN that was impossible to answer without either attacking Trump or lying. "Would putting social distancing measures in place earlier have saved lives?". Its a real "no shit" question that isn't productive at all. Clearly if no one lived their lives and everyone just stayed inside all the time, less people would die. Jake Tapper trapped him and this is the fallout.

A lot of conservatives close to the president have already been out to get Fauci since he influenced the shutdown, vastly overestimated the deaths, and recently called for the use immunization cards in a return.

CNN won't be showing anymore task force briefings but still wants to have experts on their air. They want this special treatment which is a waste of expert time in a pandemic and Pence wants to block all experts from going on networks that don't air the briefings. Pence knows having people watch the briefings is the best way to avoid a tug-of-war sensationalist circus over the experts between Trump and media.

4/13/2020 8:33:45 AM

Quote :

"^Its because he got a question on CNN: that was impossible to answer without either attacking Trump or lying. "Would putting social distancing measures in place earlier have saved lives?" . Its a real "no shit" question that isn't productive at all. Clearly if no one lived their lives and everyone just stayed inside all the time, less people would die. Jake Tapper trapped him asked him the question and this is the fallout. how trump supporters respond. A lot of conservatives close to the president have already been out to get Fauci since he influenced was for the shutdown, vastly overestimatedgave an accurate estimate of the deaths that could come if no actions were taken, and recently called for the use immunization cards in a return. i dont even know what horosho was trying to say here. CNN won't be showing anymore task force briefings but still is tired of lies and misinformation spread by trump in every briefing, and only wants to have experts on their air. They want this special treatment which is a waste of expert time in a pandemic reasonable request and Pence* wants to block all experts from going on networks that don't air the briefings. Pence knows having people watch the briefings is the best way to avoid a tug-of-war sensationalist circus over the experts between Trump and media. nothing."

*this is clearly an opinion attributed to pence by horosho. citation needed.



[Edited on April 13, 2020 at 8:55 AM. Reason : FIFY]

[Edited on April 13, 2020 at 8:56 AM. Reason : forgot close quote]

4/13/2020 8:45:44 AM

Pence reversed the policy on Thursday and the fiasco with Fauci happened the very next day. The exact fiasco the policy was designed to prevent.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/492046-pence-bars-coronavirus-task-force-members-from-appearing-on-cnn-report

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""When you guys cover the briefings with the health officials then you can expect them back on your air," a Pence spokesperson told CNN. "

Sensationalism has always been their game. The crux of the issue is that CNN wants the credibility of experts but they also want to pick and choose which expert quotes go out on their airwaves. They want to filter it so only the most grim snippets are included and anything that fuels any sort of positivity is left out.

CNN can control the narrative in their own interviews but they have no control over the briefings and even when they do ask questions, Trump can berate them and dismiss their questions. By only showing parts of the briefing, they have complete control to give people like cabbage the idea that they have heard everything that the experts have said and that anything else the experts may have said during the briefings is a "goddamn lie".

Trump is doing the same thing in the opposite direction which is why I made the tug-of-war analogy.

[Edited on April 13, 2020 at 9:22 AM. Reason : Was getting Fauci fired part of CNN's plan?]

4/13/2020 9:21:02 AM

The briefings are huge wastes of time with Trump getting basic facts wrong or just lying.

4/13/2020 9:31:04 AM

Earl getting a lot of play over the weekend

4/13/2020 9:36:59 AM

He’s literally the worst. Not unique or interesting even like some contrarians.

4/13/2020 9:38:07 AM

Well you should never be listening to Trump to try and learn facts in the first place. The rest of the task force is there for that and he usually differs to them when the questions are out of his realm. You should only listen to Trump to try and learn about how he will use his power and shape his policies.

The only reason he says as much dumb shit as he does is because you have these journalists in there who have clearly been coached to play games and bait him into dumb shit (and he just can't resist). Instead of asking more questions of the experts, they intentionally derail the whole briefing by asking him about things he's done in the past to try and get him to admit he did something wrong (which we all already know he will never do.)

4/13/2020 9:40:04 AM

Quote :

"Find anything in life you’re as passionate about as Earl is defending Trump on TheWolfWeb"

+1

4/13/2020 9:56:13 AM

Quote :

" By only showing parts of the briefing, they have complete control to give people like cabbage the idea that they have heard everything that the experts have said and that anything else the experts may have said during the briefings is a "goddamn lie"."

Any chance you're any closer to providing that mythical quote you keep on referencing???

LOL

4/13/2020 10:33:44 AM

https://theweek.com/speedreads/908406/trump-adviser-peter-navarro-made-bad-bet-60-minutes-didnt-cover-pandemic-preparedness-under-obama

Oops!

4/13/2020 10:38:53 AM

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1249712404260421633?s=21

Obviously he is just lying but by what mechanism is he even envisioning here?

Blocking federal funds?

4/13/2020 11:22:08 AM

I'm going to go with, He has no idea and is just making shit up.

4/13/2020 12:54:17 PM

I've been wondering what mechanism there is to keep things closed down... does the law actually allow for this or are we all just agreeing that this is what needs to happen?

4/13/2020 4:30:36 PM

I don't see how, without martial law declared.

4/13/2020 4:47:35 PM

Lol fauci looking like a hostage right now

4/13/2020 5:58:15 PM