11/18/2011 12:49:10 PM

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" and him winning these games"

Still not convinced that he's the reason they've won their last few games. He's had some damned lucky final drives

Either it's been stout D or they've played inept offenses, but they've won ONE game with Tebow in control when the opponent has scored more than 15 points.

Can we please knock off the religion stuff. Let this be about him as a player. Just because he doesn't separate the two doesn't mean that we shouldn't.

11/18/2011 12:52:53 PM

I started this thread with it being about the player, and frankly it was going that way until the atheist made it about religion.

I'm an agnostic, so Tebow saying a lil prayer or whatever after a big play has no effect on me, its not like its new or anything. The thread wasn't about that, it was about everyone saying that he can't and then he goes and proves that he can.

I get that you don't like him pushing his religion, I agree with that. I thought the abortion commercial during the super bowl as a bit much. However, if I feel that he's talking about God too much, I just tune it out or change the channel. I also think its very hypocritical of atheists to try to shove their atheism down people's throats under the guise of hating on religious people doing the same. My gf does that sometimes and I remind her that she's doing the same thing that's hatin on.

From my experience, atheists will tell everyone they know, and ramble on for fucking ever about how religion is bad and atheism is good; and the very minute someone presents and opposing point of view, they're quick to be all "ZOMG YOU'RE SHOVING RELIGION DOWN MY THROAT". And I think that's just a complete horseshit way to be.

11/18/2011 12:58:14 PM

and now back to sports:

That touchdown run set a new (very specific) NFL record. According to Elias, Tebow's touchdown run was the longest game-winning touchdown run by a quarterback in the final minute of the fourth quarter in NFL history

source: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/11/16/2565872/broncos-vs-jets-thursday-night-football-injury-report-odds-recap-tv-schedule

11/18/2011 1:01:28 PM

Did someone do the research for that, or do they have a handy list of obscure NFL records?

11/18/2011 1:08:09 PM

they just ask the schwab. he knows all that shit.

11/18/2011 1:24:38 PM

i'm sure they have some database of plays that they can search for criteria.

11/18/2011 1:25:22 PM

The other two longest QB runs to win a game were in OT. Vick had a 46 yard run. And I think Vince Young had the other. Can't remember what they said his was.

[Edited on November 18, 2011 at 1:35 PM. Reason : One was]

11/18/2011 1:28:16 PM

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"That touchdown run set a new (very specific) NFL record. According to Elias, Tebow's touchdown run was the longest game-winning touchdown run by a quarterback in the final minute of the fourth quarter in NFL history"

one of my biggest sports-related pet peeves is obscure records that mean absolutely nothing

this is one of those records

11/18/2011 1:33:36 PM

LOL at Tebow pushing his religion because a TV camera is always watching him. Like I said he didn't immediatley drop to one knee after the TD, he Mile High Saluted just like very other muslim, jew, atheist Bronco before him.

Like someone said before, I've done a 180 with my thoughts on Tebow. Once I was as simple minded as the one who drinks pee, but I realized that it was really the media hype that I didn't like. Simple fact is, he's winning games. Yes, the Bronco D is much improved since Tebow took over, but could that also be because he doesn't turn the ball over and force the D into bad situations?

[Edited on November 18, 2011 at 1:56 PM. Reason : he his Ahhh already got quoted]

11/18/2011 1:38:05 PM

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"LOL at Tebow pushing he religion because a TV camera is always watching him"

that pretty much sums it up. i've never seen Tebow push his religion on anyone and AFAIK, we live in a free country that allows freedom of religion, so you don't have a leg to stand on. if you're against Christianity in general and want to talk about it, go to the Soap Box.

i actually love Tebow as a person and has a lot of character and a real competitive spirit... he's a natural born leader... but he's a pretty terrible QB when it comes to passing... i mean terrible.

[Edited on November 18, 2011 at 1:50 PM. Reason : .]

11/18/2011 1:47:13 PM

the Elias Sports Bureau database must be a thing of beauty to pull out all these obscure and specific stats

i would love just one day alone with it

11/18/2011 1:55:30 PM

GOD this thread sucks. The worst part is no one has even made fun of pdrankin's username yet. That is like my favorite recurring theme on tww. Elitist atheists are so fucking annoying. I lump them in with devout vegetarians and facebook poltical propagandists.

11/18/2011 1:58:27 PM

^

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"Once I was as simple minded as the one who drinks pee"

11/18/2011 2:00:02 PM

Can we get back on topic? TEBOW SUCKS AS A QB. Just because your team is winning does not make you a good QB. They had to change the offense because TEBOW CAN'T COMPLETE THE TASKS OF A QB.

11/18/2011 2:02:49 PM

yeah, lets get back on topic and remember this is sports talk, not soapbox.

once again, if Denver tried to trade Tebow, what do you think they could get for him? I think this is the thought experiment that shows he's worth nothing.

No other offensive-coordinator is licking his chops today, saying "if only we had that guy, we could do so much more with our playbook"

11/18/2011 2:12:13 PM

The Broncos wouldn't be able to get a bag of rice in return for Tebow as a QB.

11/18/2011 2:15:53 PM

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"No other offensive-coordinator is licking his chops today, saying "if only we had that guy, we could do so much more with our playbook""

aside from McDaniels now over at StL

11/18/2011 2:36:48 PM

Tim Tebow, #55 in Passing Percentage with 44.8% completions... the next lowest starting QB is Carson Palmer with 53.9%

Tim Tebow, #32 in Rushing Yardage in the NFL this season with only 5 games played... yes folks, including all starting RB's

[Edited on November 18, 2011 at 2:49 PM. Reason : .]

11/18/2011 2:47:44 PM

and yet, with the poor stats, the only one that matters is that since Tebow became the starter, they are 4-1.

11/18/2011 4:40:13 PM

Yup, he's doing a nice job preventing them from garnering a top 10 drift pick.

11/18/2011 4:51:14 PM

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"Did someone do the research for that, or do they have a handy list of obscure NFL records?"

I like to think that ESPN has this just absolutely massive Excel spreadsheet for stats and they just randomly sort columns and see what comes up

11/18/2011 4:55:18 PM

espn just continues to rip tebow. hey a W is a W! yeh sure he's not john elway, but man. they are ripping him bad.

11/18/2011 4:58:48 PM

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"and yet, with the poor stats, the only one that matters is that since Tebow became the starter, they are 4-1."

Trent Dilfer has a super bowl ring, Dan Marino does not therefore Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino!

11/18/2011 5:17:28 PM

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"Yup, he's doing a nice job preventing them from garnering a top 10 drift pick."

exactly. They should have stuck with Orton so they could have a shot at Luck. Now they'll have to make do with Weeden or Barkley

11/18/2011 5:25:04 PM

^Wait a minute, so what you are saying is that the Broncos are a better team with Tebow?

And yet you are hating on him all in this thread.

11/18/2011 6:38:33 PM

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"I don't dislike Tebow because of the football player he is. I dislike him as a person and what he stands for, all that bible thumping, rah-rah jesus bullshit is annoying, unneeded, shows a lack of critical thought and is offensive."

this is such a tired statement/argument. football is what brought tebow to the forefront, not his religion. his faith was important to him long before anyone knew who he was.

11/18/2011 6:50:33 PM

^^ Someone can say that they're a better team with Tebow now than they were with Orton and still hate Tebow.

It's just that Orton was playing terribly and his team seemed to have quit on him (lord knows the fans had).

Doesn't mean Tebow doesn't ALSO suck as a quarterback.

[Edited on November 18, 2011 at 7:05 PM. Reason : .]

11/18/2011 7:05:26 PM

^^that sounds like a pretty tired argument: "he was a bible-thumper before he was famous, so you can't dislike him for his bible-thumping". BS. I don't like his in-your-face bible-thumping ways. I wouldn't like it whether he was famous or not. Of course, if he wasn't famous, i wouldn't know he he was, but he is.

11/18/2011 7:14:09 PM

^^, yeah, that's what I mean - at least with Orton they were going to get a great draft pick. I don't hate Tebow at all, and I don't really give a shit about the Broncos either, I'm just out here in Colorado for grad school and hear about this non-fucking-stop in the Post, on 1600am and 104.3fm all day every day.

I honestly don't know what the hell John Fox's staff is trying to do right now, but sports radio out here in Denver (i know, consider the source...) is speculating that Elway and Fox don't want to keep Tebow, and were hoping to show he couldn't do what a QB needs to do in the NFL.

11/18/2011 7:18:00 PM

If they were doing that they wouldn't have installed the option offense which is the very thing that allows Tebow to win currently.

11/18/2011 7:44:08 PM

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"I started this thread with it being about the player, and frankly it was going that way until the atheist made it about religion. I'm an agnostic, so Tebow saying a lil prayer or whatever after a big play has no effect on me, its not like its new or anything. The thread wasn't about that, it was about everyone saying that he can't and then he goes and proves that he can. I get that you don't like him pushing his religion, I agree with that. I thought the abortion commercial during the super bowl as a bit much. However, if I feel that he's talking about God too much, I just tune it out or change the channel. I also think its very hypocritical of atheists to try to shove their atheism down people's throats under the guise of hating on religious people doing the same. My gf does that sometimes and I remind her that she's doing the same thing that's hatin on. From my experience, atheists will tell everyone they know, and ramble on for fucking ever about how religion is bad and atheism is good; and the very minute someone presents and opposing point of view, they're quick to be all "ZOMG YOU'RE SHOVING RELIGION DOWN MY THROAT". And I think that's just a complete horseshit way to be."

raiden i respect the hell outta you

11/18/2011 8:15:22 PM

are you assuming that everyone who doesn't like his constant promotion of his brand of christianity is an atheist?

11/18/2011 8:19:41 PM

I very seriously doubt god is watching football on Sunday afternoon saying "that tim tebow guy prayed and went to church more this week than the other QB. I shall make it so he wins and I shall punish the other QB by making him lose"

11/18/2011 10:03:22 PM

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"one of my biggest sports-related pet peeves is obscure records that mean absolutely nothing this is one of those records"

I dunno, that stat is noteworthy.

It isn't something that should get large font in a record book. But it's definitely worth mentioning.

11/19/2011 7:07:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cfQm1Lg_8oA

So crunk.

11/19/2011 12:46:16 PM

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"I don't think its bigoted or intolerant to not want someone's particular belief system shoved down my throat. "

and Tebow's not doing that. the media is. get mad at the media for making a showcase of it.

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"and he has cooled down since college when he wrote Bible verses on his face paint."

and what the fuck is wrong with that? Are you personally offended with how he adorns himself, too? you are just like any ultra militant atheist. any mention of religion and you blow a fucking gasket. get over your sorry ass.

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"I wouldn't be Tebowing after a touchdown either if everyone in the nation was making fun of me."

ahhh, so not only are you intolerant, but you also are a spineless weasel who can't be strong in his own beliefs if others don't like it.

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"this is why it's so offputting: tim tebow is an incredibly lucky person, but he believes, and will not hesitate to tell the world, that god himself chose to bless him specifically."

and what's offputting about that? how dare that guy have his own beliefs. DAMN HIM TO HELL FOR IT!!!

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"If you were to tell a devout follower of a religion that their spouse were cheating on them or that eating a certain brand of food could improve one of their senses, they would look for empirical proof of these claims. If, however, you tell that same believer that the book on their nightstand (that they most likely haven't read) is the infallible word of god, they require no proof and say, yup, must be right."

so much stupid. so little time.

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"Also, only 7% of the National Academy of Scientist Members are religious, the rest reject it. "

So, you are just saying science is a better religion, the same way Christians say it Christianity is a better religion than Islam. got it.

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"Hitler was a devout christian, to say otherwise is a egregious slap in the face of actual facts. "

that was a good one. tell me more funny jokes, lol.

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"I don't like his in-your-face bible-thumping ways."

and what would those be? saying a prayer with a million cameras focused on him? how DARE he do such a horrible thing! get back to me when he's hosting a pot-luck dinner in your front yard.

11/20/2011 6:29:49 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views

11/20/2011 6:50:50 PM

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"and the very minute someone presents and opposing point of view, they're quick to be all "ZOMG YOU'RE SHOVING RELIGION DOWN MY THROAT"

My favorite part about that is that is not how the thread progressed, you know it and it is dishonest to present it otherwise.

My first statement was something to the tune of: tebow is a good qb and i like that, don't like that he is overtly religious.

Then everyone exploded and started attacking me with illogical and nonsensical arguments. So I defended myself.

I find it interesting that IF this were a thread about the genetic mutations of certain cancers and I had suggested it to be one way over the other and been wrong, the remarks wouldn't have been as absurd or attack me directly. But that is the problem with these belief structures, it makes you angry and volatile.

And, just to be a prick...I said that the thread had been derailed enough, if anyone felt the need to personally attack me further or if they just wanted to discuss the phenomena of religion then to feel free to message me. I guess the thread further being derailed is anecdotal evidence of religious people lacking reading comprehension.

[Edited on November 20, 2011 at 10:08 PM. Reason : ....]

11/20/2011 9:45:32 PM

Lets get some bans rolling in here

11/20/2011 10:41:36 PM

I'm sure you'd be saying the same thing if he had Koran verses painted on his face, took out his prayer mat and bowed to mecca after each good play, and took every chance to thank allah for blessing him.

11/21/2011 12:05:26 AM

the prayer rug might be a bit much. the rest of it, no problem whatsoever

11/21/2011 8:37:08 AM

That photoshop at the top of the page makes it look like Tebow has a killer mullet.

11/21/2011 8:50:03 AM

Muhammad Ali changed his name from Cassius Clay and he's a hero who stands up for his beliefs. Tebow bows after a touchdown and he's hated. Imagine if he changed his name to Jesus Tebow.

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 8:55 AM. Reason : Shows who the closed minded in society really are.]

11/21/2011 8:53:02 AM

Ali did what he did to protest racial oppression and the Vietnam war.

Tebow does what he does for a touchdown and a win.

Yep, same thing.

Tebow can do whatever the fuck he wants to do. I don't like him because he supports movements I don't agree with...actually, don't agree with is too nice. I think they're atrocious movements. Let's not forget that by appearing in the Focus on the Family ad, he was supporting bigoted views against the LGBT community, among other things.

I also think he's an atrocious QB.

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 9:01 AM. Reason : .]

11/21/2011 8:55:43 AM

I guess you hate Philip Rivers, too?

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 9:24 AM. Reason : tebow is a terrible QB, no question about that. ]

11/21/2011 9:24:09 AM

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"Shows who the closed minded in society really are."

I think it's a lot more close-minded to think that people shouldn't be able to openly disagree or dislike someone becuase of their personal beleifs that they take every oppurtunity to make a public display of it? In your personal life, if you choose to put your faith in a religion, that's fine, plenty of ball-players do. Tebow is one of the few that makes a huge public display of it (not the media, him). How many ball players make as big a deal of it as Tebow? And that's why some people don't like him. And I don't see that as being close-minded.

What if he was a democrat, and painted "obama" on his face, and used interviews and commercials and touchdowns to spout liberal beliefs, would all you who defende him now defend him for that? Would not liking him for that be close-minded?

11/21/2011 9:25:05 AM

Nice of you to take "don't like" and make it into "hate".

And no, I don't like River's personal beliefs in that theater either. I don't like my dad's views on some things. Doesn't mean I hate either one of them. Doesn't even mean I don't like either of them on the whole.

But neither of them made commercials about their beliefs for the super bowl.

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 9:33 AM. Reason : .]

11/21/2011 9:31:46 AM

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"So, you are just saying science is a better religion, the same way Christians say it Christianity is a better religion than Islam. got it."

No, he was saying that there is clearly an inverse relationship between intelligence and religiosity. You calling science a religion is dishonest, wrong, and stupid. Scientists don't believe in scientific facts because they want to, they believe in them because it's where the evidence leads.

If the evidence led to the notion of an all-powerful, all-loving creator that looks out for us then that would be the science. It didn't. It's time to grow up.

Tim Tebow sucks. And the Broncos are my original team so I really hate him.

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 10:46 AM. Reason : conjugation!]

11/21/2011 10:46:12 AM

LOL. Someone compared Ali, one of the greatest boxers of all time, to Tebow, a god awful QB that has pulled several wins out of his ass.

11/21/2011 10:46:54 AM