Lets focus on this year.

Brady hasn't been all that special, especially in big games and during crunch time (see Colts, Jets games respectively)

Meanwhile PRiv has been one clutch motherfucker.

And predictably, he's had great games against pressure D's that tried to blitz the shit out of him (Pittsburgh, Denver X2)

[Edited on December 14, 2006 at 3:07 PM. Reason : 2]

12/14/2006 3:06:29 PM

hey panther fucks, stop hating brady cause he beat you in the super bowl... you know hes still top 5 in the nfl... at the worst, i'd say top 3

12/14/2006 4:21:19 PM

Not this year he's not.

Quit living in the past.

12/14/2006 4:27:39 PM

All I know is I'm riding P.Riv to a fantasy football title. Heck yes.

12/14/2006 4:28:27 PM

^ Haha. Before the season started everyone in my league was like "who the hell is P. Rivers? He aint gonna do shit." Who laughing now, bitches! Haha

12/14/2006 4:29:49 PM

^ I got him in the 12th round in one league, as my first QB

next round I got McNair

12/14/2006 4:36:00 PM

"who's #17?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHYMr40wTlU

12/14/2006 6:37:28 PM

i'd like to see this guy now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep-dnlgXTMw

12/14/2006 6:55:41 PM

what did he say after finding out? ^

[Edited on December 14, 2006 at 9:26 PM. Reason : ???]

12/14/2006 9:25:53 PM

'oop they're gonna make the trade'???? thats what it sounded like

12/14/2006 9:27:23 PM

so was that guy mad because he thought they were getting Phil? or he knew they were gonna trade for Sheli

12/14/2006 9:33:08 PM

i think he was made they were getting she-li

12/14/2006 9:59:28 PM

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"how many rings does Tbrady have??? yeah, hes overrated"

i didn't realize qb's play 22 positions all at the same. that's amazing! and they coach too?!?! gooooooolly!

by your logic, roethlisburger is better than dan marino and peyton manning. call canton!

[Edited on December 15, 2006 at 3:56 AM. Reason : ]

12/15/2006 3:42:53 AM

brady's won a couple of super bowl mvps though

12/15/2006 7:56:14 AM

Get ready to witness greatness bitches...

8:15 - NBC

12/17/2006 7:31:45 PM

Someone's got to have a screencap of PR giving the "say what negro" arms-crossed pose from last night's intentional grounding call

12/18/2006 4:38:15 PM

He didn't play well at all last night but didn't make any HUGE mistakes. 0-5 with a pick sucked but he tried to pick it up.

12/18/2006 4:41:43 PM

Idiots over on saintsreport.com are trying to liken Rivers to Ben Roethlisberger.

http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9569

Who the fuck will say that Rivers could do what Brees couldn't? (aside from see over the OL, that is )

sometimes I hate being a Saints fan because all these nuggets do is try to build up our guys by tearing down everyone else.

12/18/2006 4:44:15 PM

^^^THAT was great

[Edited on December 18, 2006 at 4:44 PM. Reason : ]

12/18/2006 4:44:43 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2701042

Philip will be the man, make Joe's words

12/18/2006 9:58:25 PM

nice

12/19/2006 2:24:15 AM

i know there's tons of stuff about philip on the chargers message boards, but this thread is pretty fun

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=37579

'10 Reasons why I love my Quarterback'

12/19/2006 5:39:57 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=j6ErZQV4N64

haha, check our PR's "dancing" at the end of the clip...go white boy!

12/19/2006 9:05:52 AM

He looks like the kid that stood against the wall at the dances back in middle school in that clip

12/19/2006 9:13:25 AM

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"http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2701042 Philip will be the man, make Joe's words "

I can't believe that dude took Matt Leinart.

I'm honestly a little surprised they both didn't say Carson Palmer.

12/19/2006 9:55:53 AM

I saw this picture on the charger's forum, and I'm in love with it...

12/19/2006 10:54:57 AM

Rivers to the pro bowl!

12/19/2006 4:17:59 PM

PROBOWLINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

12/19/2006 4:20:17 PM

aw, that's so great -- pro bowl in his first year as a starter

9 chargers!

go bolts

12/19/2006 4:53:04 PM

good thing most of the votes were in before he played on Sunday

12/19/2006 5:01:06 PM

fucking awesome

12/19/2006 5:10:06 PM

fuckin A man. So is he the 3rd stringer for the ProBowl team?

12/19/2006 5:21:33 PM

^I don't know if they list him as 3rd string. If it's an order thing it, then that means Tomlinson is 3rd string according to ESPN. Then again, he's probably 3rd string.

QB Peyton Manning Colts
QB Carson Palmer Bengals
QB Philip Rivers Chargers

RB Larry Johnson Chiefs
RB Willie Parker Steelers
RB LaDainian Tomlinson Chargers

12/19/2006 5:24:29 PM

^ alphabetical

he probably is 3rd tho

12/19/2006 5:26:00 PM

wonder if they will bring it up on PTI? they got to talk about probowl i would think

12/19/2006 5:32:30 PM

i believe the way they handle it is the starter plays the first half, then the other 2 QB's each get a quarter in the 4th.

12/19/2006 5:34:40 PM

they will bring it up. there was a big spot on SC as well

12/19/2006 5:56:26 PM

That lady from Around the Horn, Mariotti AND Paige all said Tom Brady shoulda made it over Philip, Bill Plaschke was the only one standing up for our boy. He said he was the best 4th quarter QB in all the land.

12/20/2006 5:37:26 PM

Tom Brady shoulda made it over Philip

and he would have if voters had seen week 14 before they voted.

12/20/2006 6:16:29 PM

They should take 2 AFC Qbs that didn't make it and replace the 2 NFC QBs(Romo,Bulger)

12/20/2006 6:17:56 PM

Brady's stats are nearly identical to Phil's, with the exception of TD/INT ratio (18/8 for Phil, 22/12 for Tom).

What has Brady done this year to earn a spot over Phil?

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 2:35 AM. Reason : ]

12/21/2006 2:33:32 AM

Easy: he is playing on a shittier team with a depleted WR corps and doesn't have an MVP running back to divert attention away from him.


However, the counter-argument is that Philip has been more clutch, particularly on 3rd down and at the end of close games.

12/21/2006 11:51:38 AM

^I think the Cincy and Pitt games are the ones that really impressed voters.

Plus with their weak WR core he's managed to put up pretty good numbers. The SD WR's are about equal to the NE WR's as far as talent goes. McCardell has been hurt so they are using some really low key guys to put up good numbers (Jackson and Parker are not big name WR's). I would love to see SD acquire a good WR in the draft (which is likely their biggest need) and make that offense even more potent.

Brady has had bad games here and there. Brady's Miami game is comparable to River's game last Sunday, so those 2 cancel out. When they voted Rivers stats were better than Brady's, better TD:INT ratio and the yards weren't much different. But even now after last week's games, I'd say River's stats are still just as good if not better. Brady just has more yards because he's been asked to do more. Had Marty let Rivers throw in the first 2-3 games he'd have a lot more stats and there wouldn't be a question. Plus had he been able to throw against Baltimore in the 2nd half then I'm pretty sure they'd only have 1 loss right now.

So Rivers actually has better/comparable stats and he didn't really get to open up the offense until he lit up Pitt. Where as Brady has been throwing it up from day one, thus the more passing yards.

Had Brady made the Pro Bowl over Rivers it would be more of a "name" vote.

12/21/2006 12:03:14 PM

Quote :

"What has Brady done this year to earn a spot over Phil?"

exactly

12/21/2006 2:36:28 PM

To me it is sad that we have to debate who is better Brady or Rivers.

They contribute in totally different ways. However, I think the Cinni game gave PRiv quite a bit of notoriety. Everyone can say what they want about how good the teams are, and I would never argue that PRiv carries the Bolts (I mean seriously, LT) but he makes very FEW mistakes and takes care of the football; he makes the pass when he has to and lets the rest of the game run its course. He is a freakin' football genius and I don't think anyone really doubts that.

Don't water down arguments FOR RIVERS by attacking Brady. That just makes you look stupid. Acknowledge that he is great and one of the best QBs playing the game to date and argue that it is MORE IMPRESSIVE that Rivers has numbers that rival Brady's in his FIRST YEAR as a STARTER

12/21/2006 4:36:36 PM

Quote :

"With rain forecast all weekend in Seattle, center Nick Hardwick and quarterback Philip Rivers went into the shower after practice and worked on snapping in a downpour. Teammates doubled over at the sight of Rivers, dressed only in shorts, taking snaps from Hardwick – fully dressed in his uniform, including cleats and helmet. They usually dunk a ball in a bucket of water to practice their wet-weather snaps. “What the heck. We thought it would be fun,” Rivers said. “We got off 15 good ones.”"

12/22/2006 9:51:29 AM

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"10. because he swept the broncos won the afc west all while rasing 3 young girls, in his first year starting!"

I apparently missed something because last I heard he only had one girl.

12/22/2006 10:05:49 AM

yeah, you missed something. They're like rabbits

12/22/2006 10:09:51 AM

He had one girl while he was here.

He has obviously been busy since then.

12/22/2006 10:10:20 AM

yeah, im guessing hes trying for a son

12/22/2006 10:12:39 AM