Aaron, most of your questions have already been answered, multiple times.

Can you name some other athletes who use their status to promote other things in a simimlar way as Tebow?

11/22/2011 10:27:56 AM

Can you name what he has done besides kneel after TDs (I already pointed on that many athletes point to the sky after TDs), says I would like the thank God in post-game interviews (mutiple athletes do this as well), painted his eye black, and had one damn commercial (I'm pretty sure Reggie White, the Minister of Defense, had some Christian based commercials before his playing days for over)?



[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 10:40 AM. Reason : .]

11/22/2011 10:37:36 AM

Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf comes to mind.

Manute Bol gave just about everything he had for causes in Sudan.

There's two.

11/22/2011 10:42:38 AM

I'll be really happy when Tebow goes back to being a career backup once this season is done so I can quit hearing about him

11/22/2011 10:46:15 AM

^^I'm not very familiar w/ Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf , he's not nearly as high profile as Tebow, and he hasn't played in the NBA in a decade. What else did he do, besides the whole national anthem thing? He seems like a douche because of that spectacle.

Manute Bol (RIP) hasn't played professional athletics since the mid-90s, but I think his activism was highly commendable.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 11:01 AM. Reason : ]

11/22/2011 11:00:27 AM

Just because Reggie White existed doesn't mean that it's OK (to me) for Tebow to support a bigoted organization in a super bowl commercial.

11/22/2011 11:38:56 AM

^^^ That was supposed to be this season.

It requires the Broncos to actually get someone with a better ability not to lose games than Tebow has exhibited.

Also, someone the team can potentially rally around. They obviously think Tebow can win even if the coaches don't, so if they want to replace Tebow and not screw up the rest of the team then they need to get someone else in that can actually lead.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 11:41 AM. Reason : /]

11/22/2011 11:41:22 AM

Also, someone the team can potentially rally around who can not fuck a duck when bad teams want to gift them a win

11/22/2011 11:44:13 AM

Ah yes, an important trait in any good quarterback. A solid lack of duck fucking.

Sounds painful anyway.

11/22/2011 11:44:49 AM

I find it hilarious that goalielax does not like a running QB.

Talk about contradicting....this guy used to slob on Josh Nesbitt's dick all the time.

11/22/2011 11:45:32 AM

i don't like tebow because he supports bigotry - how hard is this to understand?

11/22/2011 11:46:58 AM

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"I'm not very familiar w/ Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf , he's not nearly as high profile as Tebow"

He was Chris Jackson at LSU in 1988, and 1989. Two-time All America, two time SEC POY, set the NCAA freshman scoring record (still stands). 3rd pick in the NBA draft after his sophmore season.

He's about equal profile as Tim Tebow, excepting that he played in the past and Tebow plays right now.


ETA: Him and Bol came to mind for me just because I haven't paid the attention to pro sports now like I did then

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 12:02 PM. Reason : []

11/22/2011 12:00:43 PM

wtf, Tebow is not a bigot, nor supports bigotry

A bigot is someone that's intolerant to other people's beliefs, which is pretty much everyone in this thread bitching about Tebow. Not ONCE have I heard Tebow be intolerant towards someone else. Disagree with other opinions? Sure. Passionate about his OWN beliefs. Sure. But that's not bigotry, bigotry is intolerance shown towards others.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 3:49 PM. Reason : .]

11/22/2011 3:43:21 PM

Quote :

"He's about equal profile as Tim Tebow"

I'm familiar with Abdul-Rauf's career, and the only valid comparison between the two is that they played in the same city. Granted, he didn't have the internet to fuel his fire, but even then, an NBA point guard is never as important as an NFL quarterback.

11/22/2011 3:47:28 PM

^^wasn't his super bowl commercial about being intolerant of pro-choicers? (and please, please, let's not start debating abortions)

Edit: V you're debating abortion. quit it. and yes, it is guilty by association. just as if an athlete did a commercial that was sponsored by the NAACP. Or the Klan.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 4:48 PM. Reason : ]

11/22/2011 4:22:54 PM

being intolerant towards the slaughter of the unborn hardly seems like the worst position someone could take. moreover, saying "choose life, plz" also hardly seems like a horrible thing. you are now trying guilt by association. quit it

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 4:42 PM. Reason : ]

11/22/2011 4:42:07 PM

Fact is, he's not a great quarterback, but he's not a shitty quarterback. He's winning, but for how long, we'll have to wait and see.


Oh, and Ty Cobb was a bigot. Tebow's just a churchie. Could care less what athletes do/support/say. What matters is what they do on the field... and right now, Tebow hasn't done enough on the field to qualify as "great" or "terrible."

We'll know by this time next year, I have a feeling.

11/22/2011 10:03:07 PM

I never comment on Sports Talk topics becuase i'm female, i always just lurk... BUT

I'm sick to my stomach of the DeSean Jackson, T.O., Michael Vick, dreadlocked, me first players...in any sport really. Rex Ryan - big mouths show offs....yuck. Enough.

I love Tebow and as a panthers fan i don't care about other teams - but this guy makes me pay attention - not because of the constant and over analysed coverage...but because he's a breath of fresh air as a person. Its why i loved Rivers when he was at State. Its OK to be humble, tam first, give the cliche answers but ACTUALLY MEAN THEM and just because you love your faith, you can still be cool...he wants to be a role model and do things right....i mean c'mon...thanks god there's one out there...

I hope denver squeaks into the playoffs and shocks someone in the 1st round game.

-JMO

11/23/2011 12:01:05 AM

LOL @ dreadlocks...


Back to the kitchen.

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 1:18 AM. Reason : wimmenZ]

11/23/2011 1:17:24 AM

What does having dreadlocks have to do with one's selfishness or lack thereof?

I don't want to play that card, but statements like that make it hard not to.

11/23/2011 1:18:04 AM

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"I'm sick to my stomach of the DeSean Jackson, T.O., Michael Vick, dreadlocked, me first players"

None of these guys even have dreadlocks, racist.

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 1:53 AM. Reason : .]

11/23/2011 1:51:04 AM

I was merely listing off names of the types of players i currently dislike and the aura of what makes up what i dislike in a 2011 athlete...(the racism thing is totally out of line) I don't care what color the player is - i care how he or she acts and respects the game...

I root for the team, in 99 cases of 100. The dreadlock remark was just an off the cuff example of the idea of appearance calling attention to yourself....i.e. T.O., Chad Johnson, Stevie Johnson, celebrations...how you act doesn't determine your race you know. I dislike how they act.

If Tim Tebow flipped the ball at an assistant coach i'd hate him too...grow up.

11/23/2011 2:29:01 AM

Quote :

"The dreadlock remark was just an off the cuff example of the idea of appearance calling attention to yourself"

ahh so it was just an "off the cuff" racist remark, that makes it totally OK.

11/23/2011 2:36:52 AM

This is why i take long breaks from TWW....you've got to be kidding...

Maybe i should spell this out slower so this brain dead idiot can refocus on the topic instead of this racism witch-hunt

What i meant and what i should have said is the following....

I hate the type of athlete that draws attention to him or herself and acts in a manner of such. I also dislike the antics of planning your appearance in a manner to draw attention to yourself and away from your team....

I.E. - i hate Troy Polomaus hair, i hate Torrey Smiths dread locks, i hate brian wilsons stupid beard, i hate desean Jacksons ball flip to the coach of an opponent, i hate when Chipper Jones or Ryan Klesko posed for 10 seconds to watch a home run and show up the pitcher....

i hate anything in sports 'me first'......thus i think tim tebow is a breath of fresh air because he is not me first and he is not ashamed of it...



..........is that better????????????

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 2:47 AM. Reason : x]

11/23/2011 2:46:26 AM

Tebow enjoys calling attention to himself, that's why i don't like him. I find his "Hey, look at me, I love Jesus" act to be quite annoying.

11/23/2011 8:54:55 AM

Tebow has a right to say and believe whatever he wants, and so do his critics...but this is sports and it's not like he's the Pope or anything...I swear ESPN will do anything to make something a big story...they're just as bad/political as the mainstream media

11/23/2011 9:01:30 AM

If an athlete promoted a charity they really believed in at every chance they got, would the Tebow haters find t just as annoying?

11/23/2011 9:16:11 AM

Quote :

"i hate anything in sports 'me first'......thus i think tim tebow is a breath of fresh air because he is not me first and he is not ashamed of it..."

Until he grows long hair. At which point you'd hate him.

11/23/2011 9:19:39 AM

HE GREW A BEARD

AND TURNED HIS DOMEPIECE INTO A DOME

HOW ME FIRST OF HIM

11/23/2011 9:22:12 AM

Quote :

"If an athlete promoted a charity they really believed in at every chance they got, would the Tebow haters find t just as annoying?"

What if he promoted islam and said "allah akbar" after every good play? What if he was on a crusade to promote the theory of global warming? What if he painted "pro-choice" on his face and talked about that in his interviews? What if he used his status to promote the NACCP in a very vocal manner? What if he was a devout atheist and he constantly preached that? What if constantly talked about how America oppresses other countries? What if he spoke out against the war in AFghanistan and Iraq?

Would the Tebow "defenders" defend him for publically promoting those "beliefs"? I'd find it annoying.

11/23/2011 9:54:10 AM

but that's still just a reflection of YOUR beliefs. if he was a vocal supporter of good teamwork, sportsmanship, breast cancer research and american pie, i'm guessing you'd be ok with that.

Quote :

"Tebow enjoys calling attention to himself, that's why i don't like him. I find his "Hey, look at me, I love Jesus America. or is it Communist China I can't remember" act to be quite annoying."

why does it mean he has a flawed character just b/c he believes something you don't

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 10:26 AM. Reason : !]

11/23/2011 10:23:28 AM

well, i'm pretty sure almost ALL people believe in good sportmanship and breast cancer research. religion and politics are different things.

and i'd still find it pretty annoying if he promoted breast cancer research in the same manner that he promotes his religion.

i think that for most people who find it annoying, it's not so much the "what" (religion), it the "how" (very vocally and at every oppurtunity). of course, it doesn't help that the "what" is a very polarizing issue that many people disagree with.

Quote :

"but that's still just a reflection of YOUR beliefs."

i don't beleive in a god, but if he promoted atheism the same way he promotes christianity, i'd still find it highly annoying. if he wasn't so vocal about it (like the hundreds of other athletes), it wouldn't be so annoying.

i'm not sure what you're getting at with your "communist china" comment, but if that's what he promoted, i certainly find that annoying too.


[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 10:36 AM. Reason : ]

11/23/2011 10:28:53 AM

Quote :

"but that's still just a reflection of YOUR beliefs. if he was a vocal supporter of good teamwork, sportsmanship, breast cancer research and american pie, i'm guessing you'd be ok with that."

This

11/23/2011 10:39:13 AM

^^ not to mention teamwork and sportsmanship would be relevant to playing a football game, whereas religion, apple pie, and breast cancer are not.

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM. Reason : EXTRA UPS Y'ALL]

11/23/2011 10:39:49 AM

so if donovan mcnabb ate a bowl of chunky's soup during every press conference, would that be annoying or would you just ignore it and stick to your own preferred campbell's chicken and stars soup?

11/23/2011 10:47:32 AM

Quote :

""but that's still just a reflection of YOUR beliefs. if he was a vocal supporter of good teamwork, sportsmanship, breast cancer research and american pie, i'm guessing you'd be ok with that.""

The next time american pie is bigoted against gays and women, I'll find this comparison apt.

11/23/2011 10:52:36 AM

if McNabb put "BUY CHUNKY SOUP" in his eye black, held up a Chunky Soup advertisement after every good play, and thanked Chunky Soup for his ability to play the game in all of his interviews you don't think that would be annoying? (I mean, assuming we're in an alternate universe where it wouldn't be hilariously satirical for a while)

You can dislike Tebow's promoting of his religion without disliking him for the religion.

11/23/2011 10:52:51 AM

^ well that's fine too. just say that then

"I don't like Tim Tebow because I don't like Christians"


it might make you look intolerant against Christians, but hey at least you're "right" and they're not

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 10:56 AM. Reason : ^^ has tebow ever said or done anything bigoted toward gays or women?]

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 11:03 AM. Reason : VV you're right. i read your post as "you can't dislike"]

11/23/2011 10:54:45 AM

This thread should probably be locked. Especially now, with Nova1163's post showing up.

Whenever you start a post with...

Quote :

"I never comment on Sports Talk topics becuase i'm female, i always just lurk... BUT"

Hit the back button on your browser and continue to lurk. It's a lesson BridgetSPK never learned.

11/23/2011 10:57:45 AM

^^ Do you want to reread my post and try again? How did you get "I don't like christians" out of that? I'm specifically saying I don't care what his religion is, just that he won't shut up about it in places where it's not relevant, like a football game.

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 10:58 AM. Reason : ^^]

11/23/2011 10:57:53 AM

the tebow "defenders" really seem to be missing the point. it really seems that their perspective on the situation is clouded by their own strong personal beliefs.

i wish you'd look at the other examples being presented, nobody seems to be considering those. if it was anything besides christianity, i don't think many of his "defenders" would be defending him.

Quote :

"has tebow ever said or done anything bigoted toward gays or women?"

again, i'm really not trying to debate a specific religion or personal belief, but many women would say that his appearnace in that commercial was bigoted. and the organization that sponsored the commercial is bigoted against gays.... so yeah, he kinda has.

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 11:04 AM. Reason : ]

11/23/2011 11:01:12 AM

Quote :

"he won't shut up about it in places where it's not relevant, like a football game"

so if he does it on a tv commercial, that's ok?


athletes promote their beliefs all the time. it rarely gets the attention that tebow gets because of it. i think it's a waste of time to get upset about somebody else's opinion. this whole issue is mostly just a way for the media to have something to talk about anyways.

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 11:09 AM. Reason : anywho...]

11/23/2011 11:06:12 AM

missing the point

11/23/2011 11:07:48 AM

I don't give two shits who promotes what in a commercial

11/23/2011 11:09:14 AM

^^ so what is the point then? you find it annoying that he promotes something he believes in - whether it's on the field or on his own personal time. is that it?

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 11:11 AM. Reason : ^ same here.]

11/23/2011 11:11:16 AM

The point is he promotes it at every opputunity he gets. On the field, in interviews, in commercials (that he is in becuase of football). And he is the ONLY athlete that I know of that does that.

(and as an aside, he chooses to publically promote a personal belief that he knows is polarizing and that many don't agree with)

Please, defenders, answer me this: Would you defend him if he publically promoted, in the same way he does his faith, any of the other examples that have been given? Seriouslly? If he promoted global warming with face paint, actions after TDs, in interviews, in commercials, would you be so passionately defending him? Be honest.

11/23/2011 11:15:04 AM

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it

yup. this is America and if somebody wants to spend their time advocating for ________, I say go for it. I might disagree with it, I might disagree with it strongly, but it doesn't mean i need to waste my time vilifying them. or worse - wasting my own time and emotions getting upset about it

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM. Reason : this is why internets sucks sometimes. people don't know how to let others have their own opinion]




and anyways, like i said this whole issue is mostly just a way for the media to have something to talk about. media doesn't care about freedom of speech or which opinion is right/wrong. as long as it attracts eyeballs, they will keep pushing the issue

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 11:24 AM. Reason : .]

11/23/2011 11:20:00 AM

I think it's been said numerous times. It's really not so much about his personal beliefs.
It's about how he uses his status as an athlete to publically promote them at every opputunity he gets.
It's not just the media exploiting it, Tebow certainly asked for and wanted the attention.
He is the ONLY athlete, that I'm aware of, that uses his status as an athlete to, to publically promote his personal beliefs at every chance he gets.

And I really find it hard to believe that some of his more vocal supporters in here would be so vocal in supporting him if he was promoting anything that was opposed to their personal beliefs.

11/23/2011 11:32:07 AM

all this does is convince me that off field issues in the NFL are men's version of soap operas/USWeekly/TMZ
[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

11/23/2011 11:36:49 AM

what the hell is TMZ?

11/23/2011 11:38:14 AM