I mean every year I say I'm not gonna do it this year and every year im back, so I'm both. 30+ years of disappointment do have a psychological affect.

On the other hand, Manny Bates was clearly the one player we couldn't lose this year and we lost him. I hope we turn a corner but it's gonna be tough.

Im old and life has enough shittiness, I don't want to spend 2 hrs twice a week making myself sad

[Edited on November 16, 2021 at 9:26 PM. Reason : E]

11/16/2021 9:24:21 PM

just imagine Bates is in foul trouble for the entire season

when Keatts came in, I got the impression he wanted to run some multiple guard lineup with a bunch of athletes, hard nosed defense, etc, which is kind of what we have, so whatevs

[Edited on November 16, 2021 at 9:27 PM. Reason : Wolfpack4Life]

11/16/2021 9:26:33 PM

do the results of this team over the last 25 years really leave any other choices?

You either look at the team realistically--we are bad. Or you put the blinders on and root root root for the home team anyways.

I'm sure we will manage to eek this one out, but its pathetic to be trailing at half to a team that lost to Brown by 28 goddamn points.

11/16/2021 9:27:34 PM

Yea i mean I'll almost def watch quite a few games but I'm going to try harder than usual to keep my hopes low

^yea i mean devil's advocate is they'll need some time to figure it out, but I just don't see it

[Edited on November 16, 2021 at 9:30 PM. Reason : E]

11/16/2021 9:28:39 PM

Keatts is done. This was a NIT team with Bates. 5-15 ACC incoming.

PNC was 1/3 full before this shit show. UConn beat these guys by 50.

11/16/2021 9:29:56 PM

Quote :

"its pathetic to be trailing at half to a team that lost to Brown by 28 goddamn points."

it will be pathetic if we lose this game, but not the worst thing in the world in November. but being down at the half to anyone is really not worth losing sleep over.

boozie, the head professor of the college of sports transitive property

[Edited on November 16, 2021 at 9:31 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2021 9:30:39 PM

this is one of those stupid arenas with the 'car horn' buzzer

11/16/2021 9:31:50 PM

From the gamecast, it looks like seabron may be the guy some of you were hoping hellems would be. That's hopeful.

11/16/2021 9:42:24 PM

You really defending this? This is the worst game we've had since the NC Central loss. Fucking Brown beat these guys by 30.

11/16/2021 9:42:27 PM

we're up 64-53 with 6:54 left. does this really get you that upset? get a grip.

11/16/2021 9:44:41 PM

Look on the bright side. At least we're better at basketball than flohoops is at streaming...

Stream has been absolute garbage. Don't think I"ve seen the entirety of a single possession.

11/16/2021 9:46:11 PM

You're such a fucking defender. This team will be 330 in the NET rankings.

11/16/2021 9:46:35 PM

only you would be mad that we're not winning by enough points

^^the link i posted near the bottom of the previous page has worked pretty well for me, though it's not exactly 1080p

[Edited on November 16, 2021 at 9:47 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2021 9:46:56 PM

Quote :

"This is the worst game we've had since the NC Central loss."

I mean.... We weren't THAT bad that year?

[Edited on November 16, 2021 at 10:00 PM. Reason : Wrong year]

11/16/2021 9:59:26 PM

tonight's double digit win is our worst game since a double digit loss 8 years ago

11/16/2021 10:02:04 PM

Allen and Ross are the only ones on the team with a negative plus minus.... lol

I love to see that Seabron is taking it to the basket. I hope he keeps it up against real competition.

11/16/2021 10:09:03 PM

Quote :

"Conversely, Hellems was 31/2.8 and fouled out 4 times"

Gotta figure that out

11/16/2021 10:45:29 PM

Quote :

"tonight's double digit win is our worst game since a double digit loss 8 years ago"

There are DII teams that would beat CCSU by 14

You won't be posting this tomorrow when we get smoked by 20 by Okie State

11/16/2021 11:23:57 PM

Quote :

"Fucking Brown beat these guys by 30"

Brown beat them by 18. Brown who hung within 7 points of UNC. Why say Brown beat them by 30 when it was 18? Why just make up bullshit like that to try and make a point? You're probably mad that Seabron isn't the bust that you thought lol.

11/16/2021 11:48:06 PM

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" Yea i mean I'll almost def watch quite a few games but I'm going to try harder than usual to keep my hopes low"

This describes me pretty well this year. It helps that football is having a good season and that can keep me distracted from basketball for a little while longer. But it’s hard for me to get excited about this right now. To be fair, i haven’t any games yet because they’ve either been on a weird channel or I was busy. I will watch tonight (so blame me when we lose).

Losing to one of the worst teams in D1 would’ve been bad. But we didn’t lose so idk I’m not gonna get too upset about it.

11/17/2021 6:31:11 AM

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"Brown beat them by 18. Brown who hung within 7 points of UNC. Why say Brown beat them by 30 when it was 18? Why just make up bullshit like that to try and make a point? You're probably mad that Seabron isn't the bust that you thought lol."

18 my bad just going off the earlier post in the thread that said 28. Either way we were losing at halftime to literally one of the worst DI teams but by all means celebrate a great victory.

And now you're making things up. Never said Seabron was a bust, said he wasn't ACC caliber for most of last year, which he wasn't. Good thing he has improved or we would likely be a 10-win team without him.

[Edited on November 17, 2021 at 10:13 AM. Reason : Notice how you ignore UConn beat them 99-48 ]

11/17/2021 10:13:14 AM

A decade later, same old boozie

11/17/2021 11:31:14 AM

Pretty sure boozie has called him a waste of a scholarship before

11/17/2021 12:21:18 PM

^Wrong

Quote :

"A decade later, same old boozie NCSU basketball"

[Edited on November 17, 2021 at 12:31 PM. Reason : We won't even have a winning record in year five and you people are seemingly okay with it]

11/17/2021 12:30:25 PM

at least he’s ok with calling out how obviously bad we are, as opposed to attempting to sugarcoat things

we aren’t worth sugarcoating and haven’t been in some time

11/17/2021 12:57:11 PM

I'm pretty sure no one is trying to argue that we're good

11/17/2021 1:05:10 PM

yet some tend to get in their feelings whenever he makes the observation that we aren’t any good

it’s ok to not be ok with mediocrity

11/17/2021 1:28:48 PM

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"Why did we recruit Seabron if he's ineligible? It's not like he was a big-time get for us? What a waste of a Scholarship"

-packboozie

11/17/2021 1:44:12 PM

I think it's more that he just comes across as an annoyingly miserable person

11/17/2021 2:11:46 PM

I still stand by that. Basketball scholarships shouldn't be wasted on a player that can't play. He should have went to Hargrove or another prep for a year.

^I'm more invested in the basketball program than most of you TWW keyboard warriors

[Edited on November 17, 2021 at 2:15 PM. Reason : Looks like Seabron already did a prep year and still wasn't eligible]

11/17/2021 2:14:33 PM

Quote :

"^I'm more invested in the basketball program than most of you TWW keyboard warriors"

That's probably true, and I don't think most posting itt would argue that. In fact, several people have said they plan to invest even less time/emotion into it, because it's not worth being sad/miserable over a sport.

11/17/2021 2:17:58 PM

It is extremely disappointing because now is the time we could really make a move. Roy just retired, and this is it for K. And yet we won't be a NIT team in year five with Keatts. I've been mostly in his corner for four years. We have been .500 or better in the ACC every year. But it is pretty clear that this year or next might be it for him. Shawn Phillips and LJ Thomas isn't a class that is going to carry us to the top either.

Quote :

"because it's not worth being sad/miserable over a sport."

Posting on TWW /= real life. It is a message board.

[Edited on November 17, 2021 at 2:26 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2021 2:21:16 PM

I think the key is he's missed on too many high level recruits and had to settle for too many fringe guys. If Gibson or Duo turn a corner, that could turn our season around but they were fringe recruits so it isn't promising.

The flip side to that is I'm sure every team has a guy that's close to indispensable and I'm not sure how many of them could respond well to losing that guy. Manny was/is easily that guy.

So we had a huge plus at a position that we lost. However that loss could have been mitigated a little with better recruiting.

Also it's game 3 so maybe Gantt or Ross or someone shows out over the next month who knows.


^are you arguing that you don't get sad about sports? If so that flies in the face of your "I'M #1 FAN". I absolutely have tied my emotions pretty strongly to state sports, but I'm getting better in the last 3-5 years.

[Edited on November 17, 2021 at 2:29 PM. Reason : E]

11/17/2021 2:27:36 PM

is arguing that last night's double-digit win is not, in fact, our worst game since losing to Central in 2013, "sugarcoating"?

11/17/2021 2:41:58 PM

The results really aren’t there with Keatts. And the product on the floor, so far, doesn’t indicate that this year is gonna be a step in the right direction. I like keatts. I like the idea of a high energy, pressing defense (we can argue about its effectiveness). Fair or not, Keatts has had some rotten luck too.

Saddiq Bey decommitts, apparently due to NCAA stuff. He was a lottery pick.
Bad injury luck with Bates and Devon Daniels notably. But also guys like CJ Bryce, Hellems, and Markell all missed time due to injury. Every team has injuries, it’s not an excuse. But back to back years now, our most important player has been injured.
His best season, which was still a bubble team, had a likely NCAAT appearance wiped away due to Covid.
He missed the NCAAT with a really high NET ranking…ending up on the wrong side of the bubble in Year 2.
Josh Hall was expected to enroll and not go pro. He went pro. Same with Jalen Lecque, although I think the expectation was higher that he’d go pro.
Remember Ian Steere? He played one game and transferred. Remember Sacha Killeya Jones? He was kicked off the team. I don’t think either of those guys were going to turn the program around. But those were guys recruited to play here that ultimately ended up being wasted scholarships.

That’s not all just bad luck. Some is a product of missing on recruits or lack of quality depth or giving a scholarship to guys who didn’t deserve it or whatever. None of this is to excuse the results. But it just feels like very little has broken in KK’s favor since he’s been here.

[Edited on November 17, 2021 at 5:00 PM. Reason : A]

11/17/2021 4:59:09 PM

Quote :

" I absolutely have tied my emotions pretty strongly to state sports, but I'm getting better in the last 3-5 years"

this has been one of the healthiest decisions I’ve made the last 10 years or so

the base of the decision was, “they’re all unpaid kids. I’m an adult”.

11/17/2021 5:44:12 PM

Yea hard to break emotions developed during childhood and tied to family/memories. Have to just try to enjoy the shared experience instead of laying out hopes.

11/17/2021 6:42:32 PM

I had those same emotions/memories

hell, I had season tickets as a high schooler

[Edited on November 17, 2021 at 6:48 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2021 6:47:23 PM

Much easier said than done.

And it’s not a sign of apathy or anything. It’s a sign of trying to be a more normal human with better control of my emotions.

11/17/2021 8:06:24 PM

Ugly game so far. Some weak foul calls too.

Hoo boy we can’t rebound.

11/17/2021 8:58:17 PM

I pointing to the roster and bad luck or injuries is a bit of a copout. We don't have UNC/Duke talent, but we do have (and have had) enough talent to compete with the rest of the ACC.

Our half-court offensive system is terrible. If we aren't generating fast break offense, it is as static as anything I have seen. We regularly look like we don't have a single idea what to do when teams run zone on us. I can't remember the last time we ran something out of a timeout that resulted in an easy basket.

The rotations and minutes are often baffling. It's damn near criminal how DJ was used over the last couple of years. You can't convince me that he wouldn't have averaged near 20 PPG if our bigs ever got any offensive opportunities outside of put backs and the occasional quick cut on a drive.

[Edited on November 17, 2021 at 9:04 PM. Reason : d]

11/17/2021 9:03:35 PM

Our offense is painful to watch.

11/17/2021 9:06:35 PM

Not much to be excited about currently or going forward. It hasn't been a particularly tough 5 year stretch in the ACC either so that has helped make the record look pretty good on paper coupled with a pretty soft OOC schedule.

I thought KK would come in with a pretty clear philosophy and it would be athletic, fast, and fun to watch. Maybe not as skilled as other teams but we would just grind them into the ground. Something along the lines of how WVU has been able to have success. It also felt like that would allow him to recruit different players than trying to go head to head with the schools pulling the 5-star one year guys and instead go after guys that were maybe passed up and stick around for 3-4 years.

He has won some big games and it hasn't been a disaster by any stretch but doesn't feel like in year 5 he has established a certain type of culture that it felt like he could bring to State.

11/17/2021 9:10:06 PM

A minute left we run a double screen so hayes can run to the corner to shoot a contested fade away midrange

11/17/2021 9:10:23 PM

How the hell is that a foul on Hayes in the open floor?

Now we’re reviewing a foul on Hellems where Ok State’s dude dropped his shoulder into Hellems? I don’t get any of this. Stuff like this really makes basketball not fun to watch.

11/17/2021 9:26:23 PM

7 fouls in 2.5 mins to start this half. Just absolutely gross.

[Edited on November 17, 2021 at 9:29 PM. Reason : Some good calls. Some bad. Some on them. Some on us. But just gross. ]

11/17/2021 9:29:14 PM

i wish Pete Gillen was still coaching at UVA instead of Pretty Tony

11/17/2021 9:33:41 PM

Remember when we had to come up with stories of guys sleeping each others' girlfriends for why we sucked?

Now its just like...ah yes, that's our team

11/17/2021 9:36:05 PM

Lol. We got dudes dribbling it off their foot. Getting their pocket picked in the open court. Shooting fadeaway 18 footers. Tipping in rebounds for the other team. We are so bad.

11/17/2021 9:40:37 PM

Gillen is acting like Hellems did anything other than toss the ball to the ref

11/17/2021 9:52:38 PM