RBs have also been out since 1989 or so, so it is understandable they have a good bit more development and aftermarket support behind them.

I guess you measure an engine by how high it revs? Truck motors must suck. F1 motors must be the best things evar!

[Edited on April 13, 2008 at 4:03 PM. Reason : d]

4/13/2008 4:02:28 PM

I can tell you that the highest reving engine is not the best.

The rx8 that is!!!111

4/13/2008 5:59:35 PM

^^ in general... truck motors do "suck" most are just de-tuned car motors they're built for longevity now they used to even have cheaper blocks (2 bolt mains etc.) and such too but now they're pretty much car motors with junk heads and long runner intakes designed for longevity and durability and if you think f1 motors aren't awesome... you're freaking crazy

And rotaries are a different game.


My definition of a good motor is having the strength to make SHIT TONS of power. The rb has this and with the inline design 4 bolt mains and... 7 of them... its a damned strong motor.

4/13/2008 8:37:07 PM

^ no doubt, i've ridden in two RB20 powered 240s and they were quite lovely - but that doesn't mean the VQ35/37/VR38 suck they still manage to make a good deal of power.

I love the RB series motors (and inline 6 turbo'd motors in general) but the VQ and derivatives are great too.

[Edited on April 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM. Reason : s]

4/13/2008 10:07:49 PM

^&^^I feel like the Japanese don't overengineer their newer engines like they used to do with ones from the 80s-90s. Maybe they've looked back and thought of it as an unnecessary cost?

4/13/2008 11:09:52 PM

i'd probably drive one

4/15/2008 8:45:15 PM

i agree with teg...

4/15/2008 9:32:18 PM

it's not always a matter of "overengineering" motors. It's a matter of switching from inline engines to one or two V6 engines that work in multiple applications in order to save money, as well as the introduction of all-aluminum engines that save weight. It's a bit like when GM canned most of the separate engines across its divisions and switched to corporate engines in the early '80s (like in the 3rd gen F body). Inline 6 engines (unless they happen to be the 7M toyota engine in my old Supra) are generally tougher than V6 engines, especially the ones with iron blocks.

You also forget that it is usually significantly easier to put a big single turbo on an inline 6. The plumbing is so much simpler than a V6.

[Edited on April 16, 2008 at 12:52 AM. Reason : .]

4/16/2008 12:47:00 AM

its the jews fault

4/16/2008 11:50:43 AM

So apparently at 60,000 miles the GT-R's engine needs to be removed and the cylinder walls relined. According to various websites:

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=22403&st=0)

I find this hard to be true. If it is, fuck fuck fuck.

4/16/2008 1:47:28 PM

hey they used the same crap ford did in the early 4.0 liter v8s...

its not really a mileage thing cause gas vapors eat at it even when you aren't driving.

4/16/2008 2:08:27 PM

Motors are overengineered when the development time is short and extensive research can't be done.

It's technically not much more expensive, just harder to leverage cost across multiple platforms by engineering parts specifically for reuse.

4/16/2008 2:28:27 PM

^^this plasma lining process hasn't been used for any production car to date, are you referring to Nikasil lining?

4/16/2008 7:35:03 PM

7:29



GT-R drops 'Ring time down to 7:29

Quote :

"When the 193-MPH Nissan GT-R set a lap time of 7:38 last year at the 'Ring, besting cars like the Porsche GT3, Lamborghini Murcielago, and Mercedes SLR, the Nissan team was disappointed. There were two damp corners on the track, and everyone was quite sure that the car, piloted by official test driver Tochio Suzuki, could go faster. Now it has. With a completely dry track, the base model Godzilla-san wearing stock Japanese-market tires shaved 9 seconds off its previous best time, posting a lap time of 7:29. On that same lap, it leapfrogged the Porsche GT2, Koenigsegg, and SLR 722 GT. Now it's flashing its headlights at the Carrera GT and Pagani Zonda F Clubsport, both about one second up the road. So if the standard model on stock tires does 7:29, and the more powerful, lighter GT-R V-Spec has already been casually clocked at 7:25 -- betting on what the GT-R's ultimate best lap time will be begins now... And did we say it can all be yours for $70,000? Damn. Check out Nissan's official presser after the jump and our First Drive of the 2009 Nissan GT-R by clicking here."

Damn... faster than the GT2 and the KOENIGSEGG???

And just 1 sec. slower than the CGT and the Zonda F CLubsport?

WOW.

5/2/2008 6:19:23 PM

if it goes fast enough does it transform into something NOT ugly

5/2/2008 6:52:27 PM

I saw it in person and like the way it looks. Its a little brute, but not overtly.

5/3/2008 3:03:36 AM

^wait, so do you care what cars look like or not? you've been posting both ways...

corvette sez to gtr- "you have been weighed, measured, and found to be lacking"

5/3/2008 3:18:46 AM

saw it at the Denver Auto Show

5/6/2008 3:07:25 AM

this car is going to be a nightmare to own.

everything about it SCREAMS 1980's Ferrari. AKA reasonable supercar purchase price, then $20/mile of maintenance. There is NOTHING user serviceable on the car, and every normal wear part requires proprietary, Nissan replacement.

Cars like this are why Lambourghini stole Ferrari's market share. It looks great on paper, but who wants to deal with a 7 thousand dollar tire change, or a 1000 dollar oil change?

5/6/2008 3:54:10 AM

Quote :

"There is NOTHING user serviceable on the car, and every normal wear part requires proprietary, Nissan replacement."

What do you mean? Spark plugs are spark plugs, oil is oil, filter is filter, shocks are shocks. Car will be sold in US, which means Nissan dealers will stock parts just like any other dealer.
Doubt it will be cheap to maintain, but it will not be nowhere near Italian cars.

5/6/2008 3:59:31 AM

still no real source for the OE tires, which are a special design and compound, likely damn close to an r-compound, which would explain a lot regarding the lap times and other performance numbers it seems to be pulling.

5/6/2008 9:02:15 AM

ok... its not like he rim is some ridiculously weird oddball size... and its not like rubber doesn't stretch a little i'm sure some other tire will fit on the car... and its the new gt-r so i'm sure tuners will jump at the chance to make parts for it or adapters etc.

This thing is the mustang of japan... tuners will flock to this car just like they've done to the other models. If the block really is that big of a pain in the ass i'm sure darton will have some sleeves out at some point in time... i'm sure aem,hks,etc will make plug and play ecus for it... i'm sure brembo baer etc. will make brakes for it and i'm POSITIVE there will be turbo kits galore... for this thing.

Proprietary my ass if it is made of metal a machine shop can fabricate parts/adapters to do about anything you'd want its not like they password locked the bolts or the shit has some kinda of government encryption in the design...

it will not be a Ferrari unless nissan starts suing tuners and if they do that it will be a flop.

5/6/2008 9:20:15 AM

^swapping non-OEM wheels voids the warranty.

5/6/2008 9:25:30 AM

ok i should have read the thread more... thats effed up.

i mean i can see in certain cases (22s etc.)

thats just retarded though... of course i wouldn't buy one till the warranty is shot anyway but still thats messed up.

5/6/2008 10:23:08 AM

^^

From what I've heard, swapping ANYTHING non-oem (which means doing ANY work yourself) voids the warranty. Oil change? You are eating the dealer out. Filters? Dealer. The engine needs to be completely overhauled at 60k (unfounded rumor), can't remember the source for that at the moment though.

Tires and wheels, void the warranty. And I'll bet you mad dollars this thing is like a Land Rover, it sits at the mechanic about a week a month.

Also, put it on a track: void the warranty. Remove the 155mph speed governor: void the warranty.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 11:25 AM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 11:25:26 AM

^umm, what speed limiter are you talking about? B/c every magazine has its top speed listed as 193mph.

5/6/2008 11:40:07 AM

just because it can go 193 mph doesn't negate the fact that it can be governed at 155mph...

Then again, why even bother setting it that high? I mean, shit, if you are going to govern the "top speed" of the vehicle, why not set it at 95mph or some shit like that? Especially if you are going to void the warranty if it sees a track. There is no reason for any car to exceed triple digits on the street, unless of course it is an emergency vehicle (but even then...)

w/e [/rant]

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 11:58 AM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 11:51:14 AM

I understand that, but car magazines don't publish unlimited top speeds if the car indeed has a governor stock. Several AMG models are more than capable of 200mph + but are limited to 155, or 186 as an option. No car magazine states these cars top speeds as over 200 mph.

And fyi the GTR does have a limiter in Japan, as do all Japanese cars. 115 mph I believe.

5/6/2008 12:24:46 PM

Ultimately i hope they sell well which i'm sure they will but i'm not buying one till the warranty is shot anyway... that way i'm not wasting 10k in service. (haha like i could afford it new anyway)

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 12:34 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 12:34:18 PM

There is a lot of false info in this thread. You can take the car to the track and still have warranty. Nissan will not warranty anything broken because of abuse (like smoke show burn outs, lol).

NO Speed limiter for the US market.

GPS track thing isnt on US spec cars

5/6/2008 12:44:20 PM

^uhh have you ever dealt with nissan as far as dealerships go?

they are by far the worst fucking dealership out there. I garuntee you that they will pull your warranty faster than you can blink if you set it on the track and they find out. Im sure they will be in contact with all the local racetracks so that they do know when and where you race it.

They are notorious for using any kind of excuse to void your shit.

I love my maxima but I cant stand nissan dealerships

5/6/2008 1:07:18 PM

Quote :

"You can take the car to the track and still have warranty"

I don't know if I believe that. I know Mitsubishi and Subura had no problem voiding ppl's warrantys for autoxing. Also, it was well stated in an Edmunds.com article that (for a JDM car) going on the track voided the warranty. So we didn't make it up.

5/6/2008 1:51:46 PM

top speed would be limited to 320km/hr or 186mi/hr.

5/6/2008 2:23:46 PM

The Ultimate Competitive Driving Test - GT Academy

Quote :

"Nissan and Playstation have got together to run a competition to find the best drivers in Europe with the winners to get a four-month training programme to earn their racing licences and if this is not enough for you, how about this to whet your trousers? The winners will also participate as part of the Nissan team for the 24H Endurance race in Dubai early next year driving the 350Z. The competition will begin with a series of elimination races in a GT5 Prologue tournament hosted on PLAYSTATION®Network to earn a place in the GT academy. Interested? Register via your PS3, on the PLAYSTATION®Network (PSN) to compete."

Wow that's fuckin gorgeous... I think they should sell cars with that paintjob (minus the words and numbers). A Murcielago would look awesome with that 2-tone checkered job, as would F430, Emzo, CGT, 911, etc.

5/7/2008 6:34:58 PM

Holy shit.

Nissan GT-R Finnish Pricing set at €147,700

That's $235,000

Quote :

"Should you ever frown at the fact that dealers in America charge super-premiums on the limited production models over the base price, here is one reason why the Europeans have far more reason to complain about. A Nissan dealer in Finland announced today that the pricing for the Nissan GT-R will be set at an astronomical €147,700 including taxes (base price announced by Nissan is Euro 75,000), equivalent to $235,000 which is an amazing four times more than the official US pricing of $69850. Although specific tax information has not been released, we can do our own calculations which usually sees an additional 30% added onto the base price putting the expected total price to a little over €100K, but unfortunately it has been known for the local customs to be a little creative with their taxation figures. Rather than base the tax on the base value of the car, there have been instances where they look at similar models in the segment, which in the case of the GT-R most definitely works against it. Recently Nissan announced it did the famed Nurburgring in just 7 minutes and 29 seconds putting it in the performance realms of the half million Euro Pagani Zonda and thus helps fill the pockets of the Finnish taxman. Obviously we cannot be sure how much of the €72,700 premium over the €75,000 base price is tax and how much is lining the dealer's pockets and it is unlikely that the dealer is going to tell us. And let us not forget the poor Europeans are paying in excess of €1.50 per liter of petrol(gasoline) – equivalent to $10.70 per gallon."

5/23/2008 5:21:26 AM

the real world acceleration numbers starting to come out on these thing is SAD. the BEST i've see was a 11.1x, with a very poor trap speed. something in the mid 120's i believe. you could blame a poor 60ft. or the piggish weight on the et, but trapping that low shows the car truly just doesn't have much more in it. you're simply not making up for that on lap times unless it pulls like 3 freight trains at 100+.

here's the real kicker though... that car also had a piggyback ecu controlling boost/fuel. things aren't looking good for this car so far, just another jdm fanboy novelty. i'm going to laugh when their competition is readjusted to things like the ls3 c6, mustang gt500, challenger srt8, etc. so they can get some wins

[Edited on May 23, 2008 at 6:21 AM. Reason : .]

5/23/2008 6:19:33 AM

its trick on laptimes is the same as a subie or a evo... you can stomp it 1/4 turn before you can start to ease back on the throttle with a 500hp rwd car. I'm not saying i disagree though i think its less ballsey than it was hyped to be too.

5/23/2008 7:05:29 AM

yeah, no doubt it's still a very impressive car, and tops of the jdm. especially for something that tips the scales at nearly 2 tons. i'm just not seeing the numbers adding up though, or it being much trouble for the usdm cars it was aimed at toppling.

a lot of the die hard supporters are bitching about wait until some decent drivers get in them, but come on... how hard is it to be consistent with an awd auto w/ launch control? sure, we've seen the verifiable numbers drop a lot on cars like the c6 zo6 and 08 viper once they made it into the public, but that's a different ballgame where the driver mod can make a big difference.

[Edited on May 23, 2008 at 8:15 AM. Reason : it's lap time tricks are also based on the wide ratio split between 123-456 in the trans]

5/23/2008 8:13:56 AM

11.1 is plenty fast, what are you complaining about.

5/23/2008 8:29:35 AM

nothing, i said it's a very impressive car. it's just been heavily promoted/advertised as a much more impressive car than it's turning out to be so far.

also, just to note again that 11.1 time was from a car with an aftermarket piggyback ecu taking over boost, fuel, and timing. boost was raised to 1bar i believe. i haven't seen a stock time any better than 11.4. not that drag racing is the measure of a car or what this one is made for, but the numbers are still useful data along with the specs in estimating other levels of performance.

5/23/2008 8:53:35 AM

Quote :

"once they made it into the public, but that's a different ballgame where the driver mod can make a big difference. "

This is my gripe with the car. There isnt anything you can do to this thing aftermarket. Every part of it is pushed to nearly the limit, so the tuner market won't have much of anywhere to go

5/23/2008 3:18:37 PM

^ bull... shit.... just cause they won't let you mod it doesn't mean it can't be modded.

how many psi is it running... cause i bet that could be bumped... if not then build and sleeve the the bottom end i'm sure darton would be happy to assist in making a sleeve for it. I'm willing to bet that ppg would be happy to assist you with a straight cut gear set for it or even a beefier helical. if the exhaust already flows well... good but the cats can be removed and I'm sure someone will either make a resistor kit or ems tune that will make the emissions codes disappear. Turbos can be swapped new manifolds can be made... and it has plenty of opportunities to go on a diet I'm sure.

What I'm saying... is when there is a will there is a way... and with this car there will most certainly be a will.

btw... what mods have you done to your lotus?

[Edited on May 23, 2008 at 3:42 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2008 3:41:07 PM

Quote :

"the real world acceleration numbers starting to come out on these thing is SAD. the BEST i've see was a 11.1x, with a very poor trap speed. something in the mid 120's i believe."

Check out this paragraph from Motor Trend:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0803_2009_nissan_gtr_acceleration_test/index.html

Quote :

"That 3.2-second zero-to-60 mph time [] ties our best runs in a Porsche 911 Turbo and a 911 GT3-R, and trails only the Ferrari Enzo (3.1 sec) and Bugatti Veyron (2.7 sec) among production test cars. Our 11.6-second quarter-mile time ties the mighty Mercedes-Benz McLaren SLR's, but 13 other supercars manage to squeak ahead of our GT-R's elapsed time. Its trap speed of 120 mph is neck-and-neck with the Porsche 911 Turbo's, but at least 20 different models we've tested can top that figure. Perhaps that's the revelation here: Nissan's everyday-usable supercar is at its most super at everyday speeds. Beyond 110 mph the mythical beast becomes increasingly mortal, as illustrated in this graph. "

So basically, to 60 mph, it is an Enzo, but if you are looking at beyond 10 seconds, it is more like a C6 Corvette (?).

That's a beautiful graph, BTW.

So it is a world-beating performer in short sprint runs and in handling, but in longer sprints it is passed by a dozen or more cars.

How does it do it? Read page 3 on the link above:

(Partially posted below)

Quote :

"WHAT'S THE SECRET? There are three factors helping the 3879-pound GT-R appear to dodge the laws of physics: 1. Horsepower and torque. Our testing on the four-wheel Dynojet dynamometer at K&N Engineering indicated that the factory ratings of 480 horses and 430 lb-ft are discounted by at least 5 and 14 percent, respectively. 2. Short Gearing. The Nissan GT-R's overall gearing (including tires) is among the shortest in supercardom. The Porsche 911 Turbo that served as the GT-R's performance target spins gearing that's taller by an average of 10 percent in the first three ratios, while the Corvette Z06 it competes with most closely on price averages 40 percent taller in the same three gears. 3. Uninterupted torque during shifts. Nissan quotes a 0.2-second time required for shifts, but this is simply the time that elapses between ordering a shift at the steering-wheel paddles and accelerating in the next gear. What isn't mentioned is that rather than coasting with the clutch disengaged during that time (as happens during a 0.10-second Ferrari F1 shift or a 0.15-second BMW SMG shift), power is still flowing through the previous gear. Those precious tenths add up in other cars, but torque interruption is imperceptible in the GT-R."

And this is from http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6591

Quote :

"The power from the GT-R's engine is phenomenal. Not because it has so much of it, but because it's delivered in such a smooth, naturally aspirated fashion. The smaller turbos of the GT-R spool up more quickly than the Porsche's, giving the effect of no lag."

And this is just freakin gorgeous:

5/23/2008 8:03:05 PM

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-the-nissan-gt-r-and-the-nurburgring-lap-record/

hahaha

5/23/2008 8:42:23 PM

I saw one of these the other day, specifically the Grey with Black. It looked sweet and sounded really nice. Unfortunately, I was driving at the time and couldn't get the cell phone out for pics. It'll look good when it gets to america, that's fo sho.

5/23/2008 8:51:08 PM

Quote :

"This is my gripe with the car. There isnt anything you can do to this thing aftermarket."

the car i mentioned that went 11.1 had a haltech piggyback unit. it altered fuel/timing and elevated the boost level to 1.0bar.

Quote :

"if you are looking at beyond 10 seconds, it is more like a C6 Corvette (?)"

actually, it's considerably slower. c6 zo6's have been 10.9x totally stock, right down to the crappy runflats. i don't see the gtr improving on its times much once it gets into the public and available to a wider array of drivers/tracks. like i said before, it doesn't take john force to pilot an awd with an auto and launch control.

5/23/2008 10:35:23 PM

^ I didn't mean the Z06, but the base Corvette with the 430 hp LS3.

As I said, in very short sprints, it is a world beater, as well as on the track, but a sprint longer than about 9 seconds, and many many supercars surpass it.

I know the Z06 is faster than it, as evidenced by the graph I posted, which shows the 06 overtaking the GT-R in acceleration beyond 6 seconds!


[Edited on May 24, 2008 at 5:31 AM. Reason : ]

5/24/2008 5:06:48 AM

ah, yeah i just figured you mean zo6 since that was on the graph.

fwiw, the fastest documented time for an ls3 c6 is 11.7x @ 119 i think. unless something has changed recently, that's the only one (documented anyway) to crack the 12 second barrier. it's an 08 m6 car. the other contenders are like a couple at 12.1x, and up it goes. the ls2 held off the new ls3's for the "fastest stock c6" record for an impressive amount of time. the former number one has still only dropped to fourth or something.

5/24/2008 6:12:45 AM

I would kill people for this car

grandparents

babies

retarded children


etc

5/26/2008 11:26:53 AM

VIDEO: Nissan GT-R 7:29 'Ring run

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLdaLV66XOc

6/2/2008 10:48:35 PM