7 pages of *whoosh*

7/24/2015 12:27:07 PM

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"CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE"

7/24/2015 12:53:19 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/23/us/race-relations-in-america-poll.html

Seems like the recent police incidents have polarized whites and blacks.

7/24/2015 1:01:30 PM

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"Agreed, but the number one factor is individual choice. High School graduation is pretty much required to not have a shitty life no matter what race you are."

Can you please tell me what magical school doesn't perpetuate the systemic racism? Also, can you not read what everyone has already said about high schools and the correlation to dropout rates for minority children?

7/24/2015 2:47:43 PM

Can you tell me one that does?

7/24/2015 4:15:30 PM

^^^ I have more respect for other races after everything recently. They have showed considerable restraint in the face of unthinkable story after story. I mean FFS if that Charleston cop hadn't been videod he would have gotten away with essentially executing a man from behind.

7/24/2015 4:18:56 PM

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"Can you please tell me what magical school doesn't perpetuate the systemic racism? Also, can you not read what everyone has already said about high schools and the correlation to dropout rates for minority children?"

wat?

7/24/2015 4:21:09 PM

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"Can you tell me one that does?"

So you've never had a racist teacher?


What dream world do you live in?

7/24/2015 6:02:02 PM

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"Can you please tell me what magical school doesn't perpetuate the systemic racism?"

Now the bleeding heart crowd is REALLY grasping. OUR SCHOOLS ARE FILLED WITH MEAN RACIST WHITE TEACHERS THAT PRESSURE POOR INNOCENT BLACK YOUTH TO GET EXPELLED, DROP OUT, GET BAD GRADES, etc

LAWLZZZ!!!!!

If anything I know good teachers that go into the bad schools to make a difference in underpriviledged kids lives and/or those who end up getting jaded while working in these roles by the bad behavior, poor parental support, etc of the minority children they are there to teach. My friend is a teacher at a school that is roughly split between Hispanic and black students coming from poor neighborhoods. Supposedly there is a remarkable difference on average in the behavior and attitudes between the two groups (sure there are rebel Hispanic kids and plenty of good black students). In general the Hispanic students tended to be better behaved and their parents more supportive.

My friend is surely racist though and just hates black people!

[Edited on July 24, 2015 at 6:20 PM. Reason : s]

7/24/2015 6:20:11 PM

For fucks sake how many times do people need to tell you the difference between an ndividual racist and systemic racism. There should be a bit who auto-responds to you.

[Edited on July 24, 2015 at 6:36 PM. Reason : Typos]

7/24/2015 6:36:23 PM

^ Well NCSUHippie literally posted above that racist teachers are at fault for black youth not achieving in school. I merely shared my prospective.

7/24/2015 7:00:42 PM

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"So you've never had a racist teacher? What dream world do you live in?"

I live in 2015, in reality, where everyone is responsible for their decisions and actions regardless of race.

You either live in a deep south 1960's high school, or in some place over-saturated by liberal click-bait race-war journalism.

7/24/2015 7:51:13 PM

Has anyone in this thread been to a small town in NC? Because I don't see anyone familiar with school systems outside of Raleigh or Charlotte.

Must be nice.

7/24/2015 8:43:18 PM

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"I live in 2015, in reality, where everyone is responsible for their decisions and actions regardless of race. "

FTW

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IBTL

7/24/2015 10:23:41 PM

show some evidence that poor people remain poor because they choose it. Anything. Stories, stats, studies, etc. Im interested to see what you are using to support your idea that poor people just don't try.

7/24/2015 10:38:42 PM

Shit I went to school in Halifax County and then worked in the same school district for a few years after college. Guess what, I never had a teacher or coworker who I felt was racist. Some of them were assholes, meatheads, closeted, couple of pedos, druggies and drunks. I caught some of them cheating on their spouses and posting/sharing wildly inappropriate shit. I even ran the mail server and had access to all emails, so I was privy to all sorts of stuff. I even had to assist in investigating some of my coworkers for illegal/indecent activity.

Know what I did see? Parents and students treating teachers and staff like shit. Parents and students treating each other like shit. Coworkers bickering and feuding over petty shit. Teachers getting pissed when they were busted getting their hair and nails done during 30 minute lunch breaks. Teachers and admins at schools are humans and some of them had major fucking flaws. But I never felt that they picked on kids of a certain race. And I would say that where I worked the majority of shitty behavior from students and parents was just low income. We had a decent sized black student population and more of them were poorer, so they probably had a disproportionate representation getting in trouble for their relative student population size, but the kids that got in trouble were given TONS of opportunities to get their shit straight prior to getting in trouble, regardless of race.

I really found it interesting that the County schools, which were far higher percentage of poor and black students had a terrible time with attendance, discipline and graduation rates, even thought most of the leaders on the board and in the classroom were black. Both of my grandparents taught there and retired. Their classes were 90% or more black, and they still tried to provide a great education for their students. The biggest issue was that teachers and staff were unable to discipline the kids. After KIPP charter school opened a decade ago, the county schools have lost many of the poor kids that wanted to achieve but could not afford a private school. KIPP requires parent involvement, volunteering, and good student behavior, including having the students sign a contract If you don't, they fucking kick you out, something that public schools can't do. That is where the real issue arises in my opinion. If kids don't want to be in school then kick them the fuck out. Public schools try to keep problem children in mainstream classes so long that they can have a negative impact on the other students who want to achieve. Those same poor black kids who were struggling and failing in Halifax County are thriving and going off to college at KIPP charter school. That isn't racist teachers fault.

7/24/2015 11:17:34 PM

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"Has anyone in this thread been to a small town in NC? Because I don't see anyone familiar with school systems outside of Raleigh or Charlotte. Must be nice."

I worked at the smallest and most rural high school in johnston county and the poorest and lowest performing middle school in durham.

7/24/2015 11:18:09 PM

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" evidence that poor people remain poor because they choose it. Anything. Stori"

I know it's difficult for the bleeding heart types to accept but no matter white black Mexican or Asian many poor people are poor because *gasp* they are just not very smart and thus make poor life decisions.....

This though puts blame on someone other than the "system", racists, and the corporations which synapse and moron don't like to hear.

7/25/2015 12:18:34 AM

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"show some evidence that poor people remain poor because they choose it. Anything. Stories, stats, studies, etc. Im interested to see what you are using to support your idea that poor people just don't try."

Life? Reality? Facts? Statistics? Do you not understand how capitalism works? I know it is difficult for liberals, who think McDonalds employees deserve $15 an hour, to understand.

If you really want me to point out how CHOOSING not to drop out of high school, CHOOSING not to get pregnant at 15 years old, CHOOSING not to commit crime leads to more success in life I can google some graphs, but really.

7/25/2015 1:49:29 AM

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"McDonalds employees deserve $15 an hour, to understand"

I would laugh but unfortunately this is becoming reality in the PAC NW :-(

7/25/2015 1:59:07 AM

Y'all still doing this?

Come on, guys! It's Fridaaaay! Y'all chill.

7/25/2015 2:47:10 AM

If you think the man is holding you down or you think you can suceed. You are correct either way

7/25/2015 7:49:48 AM

Let's look at some stats:

White poverty rate: 9.6 percent, 18.9 million people (2013).
African American poverty rate: 27.2 percent, 11.0 million people (2013).
Hispanic poverty rate: 23.5 percent, 12.7 million people (2013).
Native American poverty rate: 29.1 percent.

White child poverty rate: 10.7 percent (2013).
African American child poverty rate: 38.3 percent (2013).
American Indian/Native Alaskan child poverty rate: 36.8 percent (2012).
Hispanic child poverty rate: 30.4 percent (2013).

So fewer whites are in poverty by a factor of almost four compared to minorities. So white people try four times harder than the others?

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"Do you not understand how capitalism works?"

So what part of capitalism left behind these minority groups? Or are you saying that minorities lack the skills that white people do? If so, what do you think caused that to happen?



So only 30% of the poor population lack a high school education as a minimum. But but, you said poor people lack any education which is why they remain in poverty?



Blacks graduate high school at almost the same rate as whites and Asians. But why is there such a huge disparity in wealth and income?



Teen pregnancy has been on the decline for every race. Yet, the income gap between whites and minorities has increased over the same time period. Why?



It's very well known that blacks are incarcerated at a far higher rate than other minorities.

So based on the stats above this is really the only part of your argument that has some merit for blacks remaining in poverty. But myself and others have already shown the systematic racism in the US police force and legal system that is causing part (or a majority) of this problem.



[Edited on July 25, 2015 at 8:35 AM. Reason : a]

7/25/2015 8:18:19 AM

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""McDonalds employees deserve $15 an hour, to understand""

I definitely can see the point that they don't deserve that much in rural NC, but in areas with a higher cost of living I get it. You need those people in the community and you can't expect them to bus in 3 hours each way for $7.25/hour.

It's a deeper problem, we have a huge segment of the population that now includes out of work white factory workers, that we don't need. We are already paying for those people in the form of disability and food stamps and some of them even work at Wal-mart and McDonalds. Uber and these lifestyle apps like Instacart and Washio that allow me to get my groceries delivered and go on vacation every weekend are a partial solution for Urban areas, but something tells me there won't be enough aspirational class in rural Alabama to support all of those people.

Since there are no jobs for these people, what then do we do? Subsistence farming or slavery? People can't even farm anymore unless it's on Farmville on Oxycontin--no skills at all.

http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

7/25/2015 11:26:42 AM

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"So fewer whites are in poverty by a factor of almost four compared to minorities. So white people try four times harder than the others? Quote : "Do you not understand how capitalism works?" So what part of capitalism left behind these minority groups? Or are you saying that minorities lack the skills that white people do? If so, what do you think caused that to happen? "

Obviously it's because mean racist white people in the guberments plot everyday on how to keep African-Americans in poverty. AM I RITE

I don't buy the graduation rate, what's the source.

7/25/2015 11:40:41 AM

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

They did kind of not allow GIs returning from WW2 to buy houses that the whites were getting.

Houses kind of increase wealth--or used to when this was applicable.

7/25/2015 11:58:31 AM

That situation is unfortunate and bullshit but no way applicable to this thread. As JCS mentioned this 2015, where we are all responsible for our decisions and life choices.

7/25/2015 3:54:11 PM

It's not just "unfortunate." Historical housing and lending discrimination is chiefly responsible for the huge racial wealth gap we see today.

It was a fucking disaster.

7/25/2015 4:05:25 PM

You are right!
The reason every African American youth drops out of high school, joins a gang, has a baby at 15, or gets arrested for robbing a gas station, it's all because their grandparents couldn't buy a house 60 years ago.

7/25/2015 4:11:27 PM

Every. Single. One.

7/25/2015 4:14:00 PM

Considering that home-ownership is one of the primary ways that wealth is transferred from one generation to another, it most certainly IS applicable to us in 2015. Practically every single federal and state home-ownership program from the 20s through the 50s applied only to whites. And those whites transferred their home equity to their children, while the blacks were paying rent and immediately losing that money forever.

And this doesn't even begin to get into how truly poor the average black person was during that time. Blacks got shitty jobs with shitty pay and basically no hope of saving any money at all. If you've got nothing, then you aren't transferring it down to your children. But somehow those children, who got nothing, and likely had equally shitty educations, are supposed to magically increase their wealth overnight, which they can then transfer all of that magical wealth increase to their children?

I'm not considered liberal by any stretch of the imagination, but even I can see how the American economic system has been, and largely still is, stacked against blacks. And none of this deals with the school-to-prison pipeline or how shitty our criminal justice system treats minorities. Making it harder to fix, very little of this is due to consciously or intentionally racist acts by people.

7/25/2015 4:23:27 PM

^^^No. Some of them do those things for the same reasons white folks do. But, yeah, being isolated in poverty is generally the primary cause of these "counterculture" behaviors that you're only able to see in black people.

I previously suggested we needed to get you some black friends. I say we add some poor white hillbillies to the mix, too. You don't know people.

7/25/2015 4:27:15 PM

So even if you are right (lets forget about all those that immigrated here with nothing but became successful) how do we magically fix this problem?

Do we fatten welfare checks, tell police to let lil Tyrone slide on breaking into a house because he's a victim of circumstance, do we take black children from broken homes to make sure ways of their parents don't get pases to them, does the government seize houses from land owners to redistribute to black families, or do we imprison anyone that makes a racist remarks because saying means things creates a snowball effect keeping blacks in poverty?


^ I know plenty of black people during my time living in NC. While they generally acknowledge an increased obstacle one faces for being black they generally don't like to associate with "hood culture" nor blame destitution in many black poor communities to an evil system engineered to keep a large part of African American populace in the gutter.

I know plenty of white hill Billy types too.

In my childhood neighborhood we had a very nice black family two houses down. There parents had good jobs and were average members of the community. They had two sons that went to the nice suburban high school (I actually went to an inner city school due gerrymandered school zones when I was in school) the kind with plenty of PTA involvement and plenty of middle class peers for the boys to be friends with and not be corrupted by any "bad apples". Talking with my mom over time. Supposedly both boys were arrested at various points in high school. One we will call Jake got caught breaking into cars at the next neighborhood over. The other on a drug related issue we will call Zach. When their parents were gone they would have parties and many of the kids didnt look like the types of people that came from the suburban high school. Jake ended up becoming a father at age 17 but otherwise I think is doing fine working a menial job somewhere in Charlotte. Zach went to UNCC for a year, dropped out, and ended up being shot and killed during a drug deal gone wrong.

Please share the liberal hypothesis on how systemic racism failed these boys who otherwise had the perfect home and opportunities to live the American dream.

[Edited on July 25, 2015 at 5:59 PM. Reason : G]

[Edited on July 25, 2015 at 6:00 PM. Reason : G]

7/25/2015 5:56:56 PM

Yes, please refute one specific anecdote while I ignore reams and reams of evidence to the contrary.

7/25/2015 6:16:08 PM

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"tell police to let lil Tyrone slide on breaking into a house because he's a victim of circumstance, do we take black children from broken homes to make sure ways of their parents don't get pases to them, does the government seize houses from land owners to redistribute to black families, or do we imprison anyone that makes a racist remarks because saying means things creates a snowball effect keeping blacks in poverty?"

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"In my childhood neighborhood we had a very nice black family two houses down..."

Strawmen and anecdotes. That's all this simple-minded moron is capable of posting.

I still can't believe this dude got a degree from NC State. He must have leaned on that test bank super hard.

7/25/2015 6:52:38 PM

^^^Dude, you think you're making a point. But your long ass story demonstrates my point.

Like, you think you're the only one with a Jake/Zach story? There was only one black family in my neighborhood, and I didn't talk to them. But a mile or so away from me were my childhood friends--we have pictures together beginning when we were babies. Their outcomes were really, really not good, but I never attributed it to their race--one of them is mentally ill, and the other one is an incorrigible womanizer.

I also have successful black friends, people I hardly talk to anymore cause they're journalists in Chicago or sports psychologists in the NBA or teachers in New York or doctors in Atlanta.

And just around the corner from my version of Jake/Zach was one of my white childhood friends...I know she and I have been friends since at least 1994 because we saw Blank Check together at the theater back in the day. She fucked up and is still fucking up in ways that I never could have imagined for her. If I had, I would have intervened. There are a lot of reasons for her problems. But I've never figured it's cause she was white.


So, yeah, again, you don't know people. Or you don't understand them. I don't know why, but you're very, very limited. You took a pair of boys up the street from you and tried to turn it into a meaningful talking point...like knowing some black people who've fucked up is a thing.

7/25/2015 7:01:34 PM

^mr. macintosh was a baller.

7/25/2015 7:31:15 PM

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"I still can't believe this dude got a degree from NC State. He must have leaned on that test bank super hard."

Seriously. I actually feel like my degree is devalued because this guy managed to get one. At this point I have to think he is just trolling. Nobody can be this stupid, right??!?!

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"I don't buy the graduation rate, what's the source."

Pew Research Center. It's says it right on the chart, idiot.

[Edited on July 25, 2015 at 8:25 PM. Reason : a]

7/25/2015 8:24:14 PM

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" It's says it right on the chart, idiot. "

Inorite? It boggles the mind how he would ask for the source when it's so stupidly apparent.

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"At this point I have to think he is just trolling"

I'm sure in his simple mind he thinks he's just trolling. The problem with that notion is his voluminous body of work on this site directly supports all the stupid shit he continues to post.

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"Nobody can be this stupid, right??!?!"

Sadly, yes.

7/25/2015 11:27:45 PM

My anecdote was very relevant. The whole premise of the argument of fucktards like synapse is that people make bad decisions because they go to shitty schools and come from poor families. I just gave an example of two boys with a good family going to a good school and STILL made poor choices. Choices that weren't due to white racism!

You douches make me laugh with your naiveness. Were most of you ChASS majors? Would explain alot

7/26/2015 12:18:25 AM

Synapse I'll be in Raleigh in September. Feel free to come confront me. I'd love to hear your sorry ass cry about how unfair life is and the struggles you have in life living as a complete pussy.

I'm sad that you guys went to my school. Seems like you belong at UNC. Fucking retards

7/26/2015 12:23:01 AM

No. Your story was a response to me, not synapse

And, if anything, you're the naive one for thinking a tale of middle class black kids blowing it would be persuasive to anyone.

7/26/2015 1:14:55 AM

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" I'd love to hear your sorry ass cry about how unfair life is and the struggles you have in life living as a complete pussy."

CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOUR BITCH ASS CRYING WHEN YOU GET TAKEN OUT

7/26/2015 1:38:06 AM

Why so aggressive. You all sound so racist

[Edited on July 26, 2015 at 2:03 AM. Reason : H]

7/26/2015 2:03:13 AM

https://www.youtube.com/embed/3P9-BjYxTu8

7/26/2015 12:14:26 PM

Hey HUR did you figure out the source for that graphic yet? I know it's super hard and you probably can't find it in that test bank...

[Edited on July 26, 2015 at 12:22 PM. Reason : ^^^ fuck you beat me to it]

7/26/2015 12:22:07 PM

http://gawker.com/hiding-black-behind-the-ears-dominicans-blackness-an-1719940455

This argument is complicated.

7/26/2015 12:54:56 PM

That story sounds a little redic. Beat up for merely saying you need a warrant tocsearch my vehicle? If true those cops should have been fired and lawsuit filed....

7/26/2015 1:37:24 PM

Still working on that source, eh? You keep at it, lil slugger. You'll get your answer soon enough.

7/26/2015 1:55:55 PM

I say we start calling HUR by another name. DUR works so much better.

7/26/2015 2:01:09 PM