Quote :

" but has so far found no takers, the officials said."

Well that completely exploded in his face.

3/30/2017 7:27:25 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-willing-testify-return-immunity-n740836

3/30/2017 8:01:43 PM

The early ones get immunity and country club prison. Flynn was in before the lock

3/30/2017 8:23:29 PM

lol Flynn Before The Lock

3/30/2017 8:37:27 PM

^^^

Quote :

"In September, Flynn told Chuck Todd on Meet the Press, "When you are given immunity that means you've probably committed a crime." He was talking about aides to Trump's opponent in the general election, Hillary Clinton."

3/30/2017 10:48:20 PM

^The GOP never ceases to amaze me with things like that.

3/30/2017 10:54:02 PM

So taking this to the logical next step, odds on Pence pardoning Trump?

3/31/2017 8:59:51 AM

What are the odds of ever getting evidence for your narrative?

8 pages

0 Evidence

3/31/2017 10:06:40 AM

3/31/2017 11:19:26 AM

Hypocritical, yes. But immunity doesn't always mean a crime was committed despite what some people on TWW has said in the past.

[Edited on March 31, 2017 at 11:21 AM. Reason : One of those people is posting in this very thread!]

3/31/2017 11:20:37 AM

Quote :

"Witness immunity from prosecution occurs when a prosecutor grants immunity to a witness in exchange for testimony or production of other evidence. It is immunity because the prosecutor essentially agrees never to prosecute the crime that the witness might have committed in exchange for said evidence."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunity_from_prosecution_(international_law)

Quote :

"Immunity from prosecution is a doctrine of international law that allows an accused to avoid prosecution for criminal offences. Immunities are of two types. The first is functional immunity, or immunity ratione materiae. This is an immunity granted to people who perform certain functions of state. The second is personal immunity, or immunity ratione personae. This is an immunity granted to certain officials because of the office they hold, rather than in relation to the act they have committed."

3/31/2017 11:22:18 AM

you don't have to be guilty to want immunity, that is reasonable, it's basically the "Don't Talk to the Police" defense

(what I'm referring to: https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE)

[Edited on March 31, 2017 at 1:37 PM. Reason : .]

3/31/2017 1:36:44 PM

3/31/2017 3:53:59 PM

OMG, EVIDENCE, FINALLY.

This is yuuuge! This will be the end of Trump! Biggest scandal since Watergate! Treason!

Automated message from Russia’s foreign ministry... reputable sources Buzzfeed, Gawker, and HuffPo have confirmed!!!

Quote :

" To arrange a call from a Russian diplomat to your political opponent, press 1 To use the services of Russian hackers, press 2. To request election interference, press 3 and wait until the next election campaign. "

4/1/2017 6:37:43 PM

Quote :

" i'd encourage everyone to just ignore JCE2011 in this thread, it should be obvious to you that he is trolling and has no interest in a good intentioned debate or discussion"

4/1/2017 8:08:30 PM

The White House goal of all of this is obviously to muddy waters and get people talking about it and not the Russia investigation but... the story about Susan Rice this morning? I'm confused so the obfuscating will probably work.

Even is she did request unmasking isn't the ultimate decision one that can only me made by the respective agency (CIA, FBI or NSA) officials. And it's been proven and even bragged about that Kushner actively sought to undermine the sitting president with the UN resolution, no? Wouldn't this be a REASON to unmask if it did happen?

[Edited on April 3, 2017 at 10:48 AM. Reason : X]

4/3/2017 10:47:45 AM

another great example why we need a special prosecutor

4/3/2017 11:41:13 AM

Didn't see Rand Paul becoming a Trump hack

[Edited on April 3, 2017 at 1:13 PM. Reason : But here we are]

4/3/2017 1:13:23 PM

Not gullible enough to believe MSM narrative = Trump Hack

Rand Paul once visited Russia... coincidence????

CNN breaking News: Rand Paul may have been involved in possible connections relating to Russia and potentially maybe tied to Putin possibly???? Anonymous sources confirm! Buzzfeed agrees!

4/3/2017 3:04:49 PM

Huh?

4/3/2017 3:15:29 PM

He's the junior senator from Kentucky. If there is ANYWHERE in this country that is "Trump Country," it's Kentucky. Dude is just trying to stay elected.

4/3/2017 4:26:26 PM

Stop engaging trolls

4/3/2017 6:39:29 PM

Quote :

"The United Arab Emirates arranged a secret meeting in January between Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a Russian close to President Vladi­mir Putin as part of an apparent effort to establish a back-channel line of communication between Moscow and President-elect Donald Trump, according to U.S., European and Arab officials. The meeting took place around Jan. 11 — nine days before Trump’s inauguration — in the Seychelles islands in the Indian Ocean, officials said. Though the full agenda remains unclear, the UAE agreed to broker the meeting in part to explore whether Russia could be persuaded to curtail its relationship with Iran, including in Syria, a Trump administration objective that would be likely to require major concessions to Moscow on U.S. sanctions. Though Prince had no formal role with the Trump campaign or transition team, he presented himself as an unofficial envoy for Trump to high-ranking Emiratis involved in setting up his meeting with the Putin confidant, according to the officials, who did not identify the Russian."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/blackwater-founder-held-secret-seychelles-meeting-to-establish-trump-putin-back-channel/2017/04/03/95908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.a04c0a09e97e

4/3/2017 8:28:02 PM

Erik Price is the brother of billionaire education secretary Betsy DeVos

4/3/2017 8:43:23 PM

Kinda adds a twist to the DeVos server that was communicating with Russia:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/1/1605914/-What-an-odd-coincidence-Russia-and-servers-and-Trump-and-DeVos

4/3/2017 11:47:55 PM

Reaction to this is awesome

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/did-trump-admin-seek-back-channel-line-with-moscow-913527875716

4/4/2017 9:48:24 AM

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/a-former-trump-adviser-met-with-a-russian-spy?utm_term=.byxan0Vam&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign#.sak4o6X4R

I'm only linking Buzzfeed because they were correct and accurate when they posted the dossier and articles associated with that so there is SOME credibility there. Trying to find other sources on this one now.

Quote :

"NEW YORK — A former campaign adviser for Donald Trump met with and passed documents to a Russian intelligence operative in New York City in 2013. The adviser, Carter Page, met with a Russian intelligence operative named Victor Podobnyy, who was later charged by the US government alongside two others for acting as unregistered agents of a foreign government. The charges, filed in January 2015, came after federal investigators busted a Russian spy ring that was seeking information on US sanctions as well as efforts to develop alternative energy. Page is an energy consultant."

Second source: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-campaign-associate-carter-page-revealed-target-russian-spies-n742356

[Edited on April 4, 2017 at 10:01 AM. Reason : that didn't take long]

4/4/2017 9:57:33 AM

Was also on CBS fwiw.

But I'm skeptical that Page had any real connection to Trump aside from being a name on a piece of paper he read off.

4/4/2017 10:00:58 AM

As I understand it, he was a foreign policy adviser to Trump, no?

4/4/2017 10:01:42 AM

Quote :

"I'm only linking Buzzfeed "

LOL

4/4/2017 10:16:18 AM

^^ he listed him when pressed on who was advising him but it was just a casual reading of a name.

4/4/2017 10:49:53 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board/?utm_term=.10efaa9a835c

Quote :

"TRUMP: Well, I hadn’t thought of doing it, but if you want I can give you some of the names… Walid Phares, who you probably know, PhD, adviser to the House of Representatives caucus, and counter-terrorism expert; Carter Page, PhD; George Papadopoulos, he’s an energy and oil consultant, excellent guy; the Honorable Joe Schmitz, [former] inspector general at the Department of Defense; [retired] Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg; and I have quite a few more. But that’s a group of some of the people that we are dealing with. We have many other people in different aspects of what we do, but that’s a representative group."

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/the-mystery-of-trumps-man-in-moscow-214283

I suppose it's entirely possible he simply never really worked with Trump all that closely. Still have to wonder how yet another Russian-connected dude ended up in a foreign policy advisory position.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/senate-committee-calls-former-trump-adviser-carter-page-russia-investigation/

[Edited on April 4, 2017 at 11:32 AM. Reason : a]

4/4/2017 11:30:54 AM

http://observer.com/2017/04/nsa-susan-rice-donald-trump/

I'm sure the Greenwald gang on here will rush in to say this guy is nonsense but this is about as good a rundown of the Rice story as I've seen and does give some reason to look at her actions while not missing the greater point.

4/4/2017 2:06:49 PM

That's a good read. If she broke the law I would hope they'd investigate that as well. It sounds like another shitty person in charge of an agency they never should have been in charge of. I can't imagine how utterly infuriating and frustrating it must be to be a spy on the front lines having to deal with shit like this. Reminds me of when Bill Clinton refused to greenlight heavy support for the Somalia raid that lead to the Black Hawk Down incident.

Nonetheless, there shouldn't be a single thing distracting from the Russia/Trump investigation. The national security implications are so massive on that one, that I'll say it again - I am utterly astonished at the pushback from Republicans on this.

[Edited on April 4, 2017 at 2:46 PM. Reason : a]

4/4/2017 2:45:28 PM

Could you imagine the shit storm had there been this much smoke or speculation about people within the Obama administration meeting with members of the Iranian government????

4/4/2017 5:56:52 PM

no need to imagine, look at how many investigations there were over benghazi

republicans are a joke

4/4/2017 8:06:07 PM

I have a copy of the Benghazi Committee report and a copy of the 9/11 Commission report. Guess which one is longer?

Benghazi Committee report.

4/4/2017 11:06:28 PM

So what is stopping the president from declassifying the material in question that Rice supposedly requested be unmasked? Remember Nunes said he didn't think it held much foreign intelligence value.

It seems if there was anything bad that Rice did it would be in his best interest to declassify.

4/5/2017 6:37:38 AM

it's not in his interest though to do that, he just wants to cause enough speculation to distract the media and the right

4/5/2017 8:23:29 AM

Also, Nunes saying it didn't seem like much intelligence value - I call bullshit on that one.

4/5/2017 9:34:16 AM

The disconnect between Trump/Tillerson and Nikki Haley on Russia and Syria is kind of amazing.

[Edited on April 5, 2017 at 11:50 AM. Reason : McCain, Graham and Rubio too but Haley was an actual Trump appointee]

4/5/2017 11:49:54 AM

Goodbye Nunes.

4/6/2017 10:04:36 AM

Great. Now, when does he testify under oath in front of the committee?

4/6/2017 12:44:53 PM

Is that even significant anymore? I thought this had been ceded to the Senate.

4/6/2017 12:48:20 PM

Technically the House investigation is still underway, Nunes was just refusing to do anything or schedule anyone to testify. I expect the next dweeb to pretty much act the same, so yea, the house investigation is essentially dead unless you think deciphering Schiff's cryptic tweets or investigating Hispanic entertainers hired by democrats is useful.

4/6/2017 12:54:36 PM

All of my hope is on the Senate's investigation.

4/6/2017 1:28:29 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39553250

Some folks reporting one of the alleged hackers was arrested in Spain.

4/10/2017 1:13:30 PM

lol, there was a FISA warrant for Carter Page, there was probable cause Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power

4/11/2017 9:54:35 PM

2 bombshells today; 1st we find out that there was probable cause Carter Page was a foreign agent and now the payout to Manafort that was contained in the ledger and also part of the attempted blackmail has been confirmed

AP Exclusive: Manafort firm received Ukraine ledger payout
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ap-exclusive-manafort-firm-received-ukraine-ledger-payout/ar-BBzKrWA?ocid=sf

Quote :

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Last August, a handwritten ledger surfaced in Ukraine with dollar amounts and dates next to the name of Paul Manafort, who was then Donald Trump's campaign chairman. Ukrainian investigators called it evidence of off-the-books payments from a pro-Russian political party — and part of a larger pattern of corruption under the country's former president. Manafort, who worked for the party as an international political consultant, has publicly questioned the ledger's authenticity. Now, financial records newly obtained by The Associated Press confirm that at least $1.2 million in payments listed in the ledger next to Manafort's name were actually received by his consulting firm in the United States. They include payments in 2007 and 2009, providing the first evidence that Manafort's firm received at least some money listed in the so-called Black Ledger."

there is now very little doubt that trump surrounded himself with people acting for russian interests; the only question now is what did trump know, when did he know it, and how compromised is trump

4/12/2017 4:13:20 PM

Well, Sessions steered Trump toward Page, allegedly, so there might be some plausible deniability there for Trump.

Manafort worked with Roger Stone for decades at their PR firm, and stone has been "friends" with Trump for a while.

They all run in DC PR circles so I imagine they're all acquainted on some level.

Also Manafort has been working PR for foreign governments/clients for decades, there is no possible way he didn't know he needed to register as a foreign agent.

4/12/2017 5:41:44 PM