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daaave
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I shouldn't have said lied because they did bury a small kernel of truth in the article

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""The very people we hired have now asked us to be laid off," Marietta wrote in a blog post. "Not because they did not like their jobs or because they did not want to work, but because it would cost them literally hundreds of dollars per week to be employed.""


But the premise of the article and what it heavily implies is that people can choose to quit their jobs and collect unemployment, which is a fallacious right-wing argument against expanded unemployment benefits.

4/25/2020 9:56:28 PM

bbehe
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I mean, that's the literal truth currently. Just because it doesn't fit your narrative doesn't make it a lie. You can make more in unemployment (if you qualify for the coronavirus virus packages) than you could working a minimum wage job.

4/26/2020 7:41:48 AM

daaave
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Did you not read the second half of my post

4/26/2020 10:03:11 AM

NyM410
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If nothing else it’s plainly a “welfare queen” trope.

Do people really think more than a handful of grifters sit there and try and game the UE system instead of actually working? It probably happens but at such an insignificant rate it isn’t worth contemplating.

[Edited on April 26, 2020 at 11:02 AM. Reason : X]

4/26/2020 11:02:02 AM

Dentaldamn
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I would rather low income people be able to quit their job, live on unemployment, and have the time to find a better job.

I really don’t find the idea of someone doing this as a negative and I’d rather it happen more often. Working conditions for minimum wage works hypothetically would improve.

4/26/2020 11:11:18 AM

bbehe
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I read the article has proof the government wasn't helping out small businesses enough and that means testing unemployment was shitty.

But hey I'm sure NPR is exactly like Fox News to you dave

4/26/2020 11:41:03 AM

daaave
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[Edited on April 26, 2020 at 12:06 PM. Reason : double post]

4/26/2020 12:04:27 PM

daaave
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What is your deal? No, it's not as bad as Fox News, but that article belongs there.

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"I would rather low income people be able to quit their job, live on unemployment, and have the time to find a better job.

I really don’t find the idea of someone doing this as a negative and I’d rather it happen more often. Working conditions for minimum wage works hypothetically would improve."


Exactly and this is the idea behind a federal job guarantee as well. It dictates a minimum standard for employment that private companies would have to match. But the article isn't arguing for that, it's arguing against it. I'm not sure how bbehe is reading it otherwise.

[Edited on April 26, 2020 at 12:11 PM. Reason : .]

4/26/2020 12:06:36 PM

bbehe
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I mean, you implied it was basically Fox when you initially posted it and called it a lie.

It's some accelerationist bullshit from a guy who wants Trump to win.

4/26/2020 12:15:23 PM

daaave
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How is criticizing NPR "accelerationist"? Is that the liberal buzzword for this election since "whataboutism" is less relevant?

4/26/2020 12:22:19 PM

bbehe
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Saying NPR is lying to make them and comparing them to Fox News is the kind of behavior I'd expect from you

4/26/2020 12:26:54 PM

daaave
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NPR runs imperialist and anti-worker articles all the time, but at least they aren't overtly racist, I'll give ya that.

https://fair.org/topic/npr/

4/26/2020 12:29:30 PM

rwoody
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npr absolutely gives credence to conservative bad faith arguments in the classic "both sides" fallacy

its silly to not admit it

and i listen to npr almost every day

4/26/2020 2:03:17 PM

NyM410
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https://twitter.com/presssec/status/1255910236084461570?s=21

That Trump admin/Earl synergy.

I was mistaken when I said Earl was the only one on earth who gets triggered by Don Lemon. So does Trump.

4/30/2020 1:23:31 PM

horosho
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CNN Straight up lying now to try to keep fear up.


"As deaths soar"


5/19/2020 5:51:34 PM

Dentaldamn
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Can we remove CNN related material from this thread?

5/19/2020 6:40:44 PM

A Tanzarian
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Is it not true that the number of deaths is going up?

Also, gonna need a source on that Excel spreadsheet.

5/19/2020 7:48:00 PM

Dentaldamn
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Imgflip.com

5/19/2020 11:41:57 PM

horosho
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I'm a surprised one person doesn't consider CNN to be "the liberal media" and but not surprised someone isn't sure about a graph that shows the trend in deaths because if you only paid attention to the media, you'd certainly think it was "soaring"

Here is a link to the data from worldometers
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

5/20/2020 9:11:00 PM

A Tanzarian
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Who wouldn't be suspicious of a known idiot/troll attempting to reufute a subjective description of death totals using an unattributed graph of death rates that highlights a weekly lull in reported daily deaths that's roughly half the actual rate?

And, of course, choosing to be upset about adjective choice in that particular headline is pretty odd.

5/21/2020 12:17:21 PM

horosho
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Well that adjective is literally the opposite of whats happening in all of the data I've seen. Instead of useless name-calling, why don't you show me the data you have that shows rapid increase in deaths.

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 12:48 PM. Reason : it wouldn't have been as bad if they said "plateau" but "soar" is a lie by their numbers on screen]

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 12:53 PM. Reason : cite this on my list of "its wrong because of the who instead of the what"]

5/21/2020 12:43:17 PM

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"Trump Escalates Distraction, Deception, Lies As Deaths Soar"

"I don't like the use of 'soar'."

Yeah, you're a troll.

5/21/2020 12:59:34 PM

Bullet
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(that's been well established )

5/21/2020 1:02:16 PM

horosho
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Its not that I "don't like it". Its that its false according to all the data I've seen even on CNN. Deaths leveled off for weeks and even then started to fall. People are feeling better and here CNN is fear mongering telling people deaths rapidly increasing. I call it out because most of their viewers don't know how to read a graph and they know they can get away with it.

If CNN actually showed data that supported their suggestion that deaths are rapidly increasing, I wouldn't be here.

Why do you take criticism of CNN personal?

5/21/2020 1:20:48 PM

HCH
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Listen, why don't you take you conservative pouncing somewhere else. We all know the libs on this site cant take factual criticism of their preconceived notions. They probably think the soaring deaths are being led by Florida and Georgia opening way too soon.

5/21/2020 1:47:39 PM

rjrumfel
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^You know even if you were trying to honestly present an opposing position with the hopes of enlightening someone else or getting them to see your side, calling them "libs" is going to turn them off before reading anything else after the word "libs."

5/21/2020 1:54:48 PM

Dentaldamn
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"factual criticism of their preconceived notions"

5/21/2020 1:59:56 PM

HCH
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Cry more, lib.

There hasn't been an honest engagement of opposing views on this site in years. Simply because anytime the majority of libs see anything that may oppose their preconceived beliefs, they resort to name calling.

5/21/2020 2:03:32 PM

Dentaldamn
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stop being so dramatic.

Deaths are slowing which is great (still going up obviously). Am I concerned they may start rising faster again, yep.

5/21/2020 2:10:56 PM

A Tanzarian
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I must've missed the factual criticism of preconceived notions. I guess I was distracted by the misleading graph and obsession with a trivial point in a CNN chyron.

5/21/2020 2:13:17 PM

Dentaldamn
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people are debating the use of the word SOAR.

Not sure why he needed to tell everyone to stop crying.

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 2:18 PM. Reason : ?]

5/21/2020 2:17:38 PM

HCH
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If you conservatives would stop pouncing on the use of the word soar, we could finally have an honest and intelligent debate. Such as:

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"Yeah, you're a troll."

5/21/2020 4:19:29 PM

rwoody
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Are you new here? Horosho isn't called a troll bc he is "conservative" (a label he would absolutely deny btw).

Also funny that horosho is clearly either adding a word cnn didn't use (deaths vs death rate) or doesn't think >500 deaths per day is a big number.

5/21/2020 4:23:35 PM

Cabbage
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"Cry more, lib.

There hasn't been an honest engagement of opposing views on this site in years. Simply because anytime the majority of libs see anything that may oppose their preconceived beliefs, they resort to name calling."


....he said, evidently ignorantly unaware that he was the one resorting to name calling.

LOL

5/21/2020 4:45:27 PM

Bullet
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"Are you new here?"


He's been here for ~10 years, long enough to know. I think he's just not very aware, or very perceptive.

5/21/2020 4:48:28 PM

rwoody
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Well yes, that question needed to be said out loud I guess, to get the full condescending intent

5/21/2020 4:51:19 PM

horosho
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I'd be fine to them if I was a conservative because then they could just follow their flowchart to regurgitate a prefabricated response to any conservative point. Some people have actual said out loud "you'd be fine if you belonged to a group". They are programmed to consider anyone who disagrees with the liberal status quo as a conservative. They call me a "contrarian" because they see it as a two team sport where I'm rooting against both teams just to make everyone mad.

I'm a troll precisely because I criticize liberals AND am not a conservative. This is particularly troubling for liberals because they perceive the entire world as a binary of "liberal vs conservative". Anyone who disrupts that binary must be immediately discredited as something that isn't genuine, a troll, a russian agent, or something else (manufactured contrarianism to sow division) that can be automatically dismissed. You see that mentality all over the media. The survival of the democratic party depends on it. We small enough in numbers that it will continue to work until our numbers reach a critical mass.

This page is a good example of why they have to hurry up and squash anyone outside of the binary. They absolutely have to avoid times like this when they get caught not having an argument in front of conservatives because contradictions might show up in their regurgitated points and defending points with premises and values would require work they have never had to do.

Conservatives aren't as vulnerable because they have conservative values and actual reasoning to defend their points. All liberals have is anti-conservatism and virtue signaling which don't work against positions to their left. In the minds of their programmers, they are rock, and they can't let scissors know paper is real.

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 6:06 PM. Reason : I'm sorry for making their program get stuck in a loop until it crashes. thats when we see the rage]

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 6:08 PM. Reason : they aren't even consciously doing any of this. its how they've been conditioned]

5/21/2020 6:03:56 PM

Dentaldamn
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my guy.

you consistently post lies and you think you're smarter than everyone on here. Id rather have a conversation with HCH because at least he isn't a colossal dork.

Also let's be clear, this is not a "conservative" vs "liberal" debate. Shit that CNN does is not a "right" vs "left" conversation. I would gladly have a conversation with a conservative who isn't just a liberal who time travled form 1955.



[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 6:21 PM. Reason : where are the convservatives?]

5/21/2020 6:15:50 PM

Cabbage
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^Yeah, it's not the Trump defending that makes horosho a troll. It's the smug holier-than-thou condescension ("It's not your fault, you're just conditioned that way!" ).

5/21/2020 6:23:06 PM

A Tanzarian
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He's not even defending Trump here. The original CNN chyron was "Trump Escalates Distraction, Deception, Lies As Deaths Soar." Between "the President of the United States is a lying liar" and "deaths soar," Earl decided CNN's adjective choice was important.

5/21/2020 6:44:06 PM

horosho
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Theres a difference between "lying" and "saying something that is wrong" and a huge difference between those and "saying something that YOU perceive as wrong".

The smugness is not my attitude but rather my response to one-liner flaming and people who resort to name-calling when they don't have any argument. There are people on here who only come on to post one line insults or namecall when they disagree with something. I most certainly AM above that.

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 6:47 PM. Reason : its basically like 10 people who do that and most of them are just doing what their leaders do]

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 6:48 PM. Reason : social leaders]

5/21/2020 6:44:30 PM

rwoody
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And guess what ^^, deaths ARE still soaring. Even if the death RATE might be trending down, deaths are still sparing by hundreds a day

[Edited on May 21, 2020 at 6:46 PM. Reason : ^so don't post here anymore if you're above it? Simple solution! ]

5/21/2020 6:46:07 PM

NyM410
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Imagine thinking any of us on TWW are “social leaders” and have any influence over anyone.

I am not even a social leader in my house to my four year old.

I have responded at times to Earl posts when they have merit but bitching about CNN and constantly “well actually”-ing everything Trump says is just burdensome and doesn’t require substantive replies.

5/21/2020 7:21:42 PM

horosho
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Yeah you told people I was Earl and just like that...I was definitely Earl. As one of the only people who knows I'm not Earl, its impossible for me not to subconsciously lose all respect for the intellectual capability of anyone who could be so easily conditioned and then go on calling me Earl.

I forgot who but theres someone on here who doesn't even read my posts but reads your quotes of my posts and is convinced I'm also a die hard MAGA. You seem to be thinking for yourself and your ideas seem to be spreading and that makes you a leader even if your followers don't consciously "follow you". You're also a mod and have the power so of course you set the tone. Its really one of the most fascinating things about this place.

Its not because I think I'm smarter than everyone else but because I have the perspective advantage knowing the truth in the case of who i am. I am smart enough to not just do/believe something because other people are doing it though. If people can be manipulated so easily by some little things like this, imagine the influence professional conditioning like media, literature, and political propaganda (that appeal to things they actually care about) have on them. It directly translates to being a member of a party and believing everything they say but not being able to explain why.

[Edited on May 22, 2020 at 1:34 AM. Reason : some things are "not smart"(not being able to think for yourself and defend your belief)]

[Edited on May 22, 2020 at 1:41 AM. Reason : being here is a great case study on the psychology of groupthink and mob mentality]

5/22/2020 1:32:54 AM

rwoody
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Quote :
"being here is a great case study on the psychology of groupthink and mob mentality"


Lmao

[Edited on May 22, 2020 at 8:15 AM. Reason : The ONLY thing people can agree on in TSB is that you're annoyw]

5/22/2020 8:14:06 AM

marko
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I'm a social leader.

5/22/2020 9:26:45 AM

synapse
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i am the egg man

5/22/2020 9:31:27 AM

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"As one of the only people who knows I'm not Earl"


who else "knows" that you're not earl?

5/22/2020 9:34:27 AM

NyM410
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I assume that the owner of this site isn’t lying to us. The one who sees the name of the person who pays for the account. Maybe horosho/the e man/tulsigabbard/etc actually isn’t Earl. He just posts with the same style, has the same interests and trolls the same way. Total coincidence.

Lol at mods having any influence over anything on a pretty dead message board. I have posted in the section I “mod” like a dozen times in a year.

5/22/2020 9:37:14 AM

Dentaldamn
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Duke banned my first account sometime in 2006. What a time to be alive.

I forget what I did.

[Edited on May 22, 2020 at 10:13 AM. Reason : looks like april 2006...lol]

5/22/2020 10:13:03 AM

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