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rjrumfel
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This doesn't seem like something that should have been leaked:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/politics/us-yemen-iran-operation/index.html

1/10/2020 2:21:07 PM

horosho
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Tucker Carlson keeps doing "I don't like bernie but..." segments and it really makes me happy.

1/22/2020 2:07:09 AM

NyM410
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I, too, gleefully watch fascists and signal boost them.

1/22/2020 7:19:09 AM

horosho
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You can't just call everyone you disagree with a fascist. Thats real fascism. Yeah he has some fascist/racist views but if I refused to watch or listen to anyone who holds some fascist or racist beliefs, I'd have to get rid of my TV and go all the way down the online leftist rabithole. This is the United States after all.

The best thing about Tucker is his consistency and objectivity. He has his beliefs and he usually tries to provide facts to back them up. I enjoy listening to him break down his case even about things I most strongly disagree on like immigration. Its the best name show on MSM by a mile. Tucker hates socialism but he's still objective enough to say that Bernie is a serious candidate who the DNC doesn't want yet has the potential to beat Trump.

His climate denial is usually based on the premise that the US does not have enough power to curb climate change which is also true. Its nowhere near as dangerous as the passive climate denial we've gotten from the democrats over the past decade.

His "nationalism" is more of an "America first" mindset based on the fact that open borders with public welfare costs our society money up front. I can agree with those facts and disagree on moral grounds. Thats what respectful political agreement is supposed to be about. Its not that they are bad people. They always say things like "It would be great if we could help more people but I'm trying to make sure my family survives over that". I'd say we can and should afford to take in anyone and see it as an investment I'm hopeful will pay off in the longrun.

Its why I respect a lot of Trump supporters like him in my personal life. On the other hand, you have liberals who are generally dishonest and try to pretend they will have it both ways. They lie and claim they will accomplish the goal of the left without the consequences the right is worried about. The real trick is they usually end up failing at both and just using at as an excuse to divert more resources towards feeding the corporatocracy and thats where I can shake hands with people like Tucker. We all want to end the MIT and general corporatocracy.

[Edited on January 22, 2020 at 8:35 PM. Reason : most trump supporters and republicans are more like liberals than they are like tucker carlson]

1/22/2020 8:33:34 PM

NyM410
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i ReSpEcT tUcKeR

1/23/2020 6:23:13 AM

rwoody
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Cb's hired reince priebus....

1/23/2020 6:53:08 AM

dtownral
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tUcKeR CaRlSon iS oNe oF tHe gOoD fAsCiSts

1/23/2020 8:11:38 AM

NyM410
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But for real, Tucker Carlson is better on climate change than Democrats.

WWG1WGA

1/23/2020 1:55:14 PM

horosho
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Would you rather have a mechanic who refuses to service your car or a mechanic who takes your money, does nothing with your car for a few hours, and then says your car has been fixed and is all good and ready to go?

1/23/2020 4:14:19 PM

Bullet
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The first one! No, wait.... the second one. No, no, the first one!?

1/23/2020 4:35:15 PM

rwoody
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If you're asking if I'd rather have an out in the open brazen white nationalist on tv, or one who is secretly white nationalist, I easily pick the second

1/23/2020 7:43:23 PM

horosho
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it was about climate change policy

1/23/2020 7:45:15 PM

NyM410
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A reasonable opinion: Although the Paris climate accord was better than nothing, Dems must do a lot more on climate change. Be more outspoken, play hardball, support the GND fully, etc.

Earl: AcTuAlLy TuCkEr CaRlSoN iS bEtTeR oN cLiMaTe ThAn dEmS

1/23/2020 7:55:53 PM

horosho
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Theres nothing reasonable about thinking pretending to solve the problem is better than refusing to address the problem. Paris was worse than doing nothing. We are closer to climate catastrophe after Paris than we were before and subsequent agreements will be much more difficult to achieve because of it.

1/23/2020 8:14:41 PM

dtownral
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wE'rE wOrSe tHaN iF wE DiD nOtHiNG, tUcKeR cArLsOn iS wIsE

1/23/2020 8:22:09 PM

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/donald-trump-fox-news/index.html

1/24/2020 7:29:48 PM

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https://twitter.com/andrewisnothome/status/1221529565182537730

1/26/2020 10:30:34 PM

StTexan
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Hell of a Freudian slip jaja

1/27/2020 12:21:21 AM

Cherokee
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Or was confusing Lakers and Knicks

1/27/2020 12:28:35 AM

horosho
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Wow theres one place you should never go and SNL really just went there. Is it really that difficult to make funnies about today's politics without offending an entire religion?

1/27/2020 12:50:46 AM

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Should this go here?

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1221584451387494401



Insidious bastards

1/27/2020 2:33:28 AM

StTexan
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^^? I watched the episode but didn’t see anything like what you describe, care to elaborate? I thought last episode was possibly best of season

1/27/2020 2:40:01 AM

NyM410
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^^ noted liberal publication The Economist.

1/27/2020 6:05:00 AM

0EPII1
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Bernie Can't Win
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/bernie-sanderss-biggest-challenges/605500/

1/27/2020 1:30:16 PM

daaave
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lol

1/27/2020 1:31:47 PM

0EPII1
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^ https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1221789545043234816

He gets demolished in the replies above

Also, he basically tweeted the same in 2015 about Trump, saying he won't get the nomination or the presidency, which someone quoted in one of the replies.

1/27/2020 1:56:59 PM

rwoody
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Horosho is so much like Trump, always trashing snl but also always clearly watching

1/27/2020 1:59:34 PM

horosho
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Its a great show and they have tremendous reach and potential influence so its a shame when they do things that are so blatantly offensive or stoop to the lowest common dominator of comedy. They clearly have had some issues with filters and oversight hence the hire fire situation a few months ago.

This cold open didn't offend me but I'm sure it offended a ton of evangelicals which is a shame. Evangelicals are constantly being pushed away from mainstream culture which makes everything more divided. Guess who benefits from everything being divided?

The only one that offended me was the blatantly sexist mildly racist cold open where they sexualized AOC into a situation she wasn't even evolved in for no reason. It was like they had a decent skit prepared and then sat down and said "now how can we bring aoc into it".

1/27/2020 2:14:09 PM

dtownral
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lol, now he wants us to be nicer to evangelicals

1/27/2020 2:23:28 PM

rwoody
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Lmao at criticizing that cold open

And I've never seen you in entertainment talking about sketches you like. Matter of fact, do you EVER make positive posts about anything on this site?

1/27/2020 2:24:35 PM

dtownral
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he waits till he reads the reaction on his right-wing blog sites

1/27/2020 2:26:18 PM

Bullet
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He's a troll. He's always been a troll. For years and years and years.

1/27/2020 2:40:03 PM

horosho
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^^^You're just being lazy then and not paying attention to my posts. All you had to do was read this very page to find a positive post from me. Unless someone was trashing a skit a liked, theres no reason to post just for the sake of posting. What good would it do for me to go all the way over there just to say I found the undercover kylo mildly funny? I'm only going to post things that are noteworthy. Its generally pointless to post about something going the way its supposed to go.

You'll never see me come all the way on here just to make a post saying something like "I watched CNN's coverage of Kobe Bryant yesterday and found it generally informative and not offensive at all. Good job CNN!"? How would that contribute to discussion? Thats the internet equivalent of small talk that some call "padding". Its going to take something out of the ordinary to inspire a post from me.

This is kind've how news works though. Mundane stories are underrepresented because no one wants to talk about everyday things going as planned.



[Edited on January 27, 2020 at 2:47 PM. Reason : lol 2nd post on this page]

[Edited on January 27, 2020 at 2:49 PM. Reason : also go back and read the first 4 words of the post you were responding to]

1/27/2020 2:46:08 PM

rwoody
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Excuse me, everything you post is contrarian. You post on this site simply to argue and nothing else.
And yes people other then you like talking about things they like. Crazy.

"it's a great show but I focus on the negative aspects and only find some things mildy funny" is not a positive post.

[Edited on January 27, 2020 at 2:55 PM. Reason : Why am I doing this. I quit or surrender or whatever. ]

1/27/2020 2:54:38 PM

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"You’ll never see me come all the way on here just to make a post saying something like "I watched CNN's coverage of Kobe Bryant yesterday and found it generally informative and not offensive at all. Good job CNN!"?"


But... you just came on here to do this exact thing about Tucker Carlson.

Hmmmm.

1/27/2020 3:02:34 PM

dtownral
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Dude may have started as a troll, but he's been brainwashed into actually believing this shit (the trump-4chan effect)

1/27/2020 3:39:55 PM

daaave
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^^
He's just trying to be Fair and Balanced, which the despicable smears against Tucker the Fascist are not.

1/27/2020 3:48:00 PM

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"This cold open didn't offend me but I'm sure it offended a ton of evangelicals which is a shame."



Personally, I think offending evangelicals is fantastic. I would pay good money in order to see more evangelicals offended. I dream of a future where evangelicals have been so offended and embarrassed they're too ashamed to admit they are evangelicals in public.

1/27/2020 5:57:02 PM

Cabbage
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"What good would it do for me to go all the way over there just to say I found the undercover kylo mildly funny?"



LOL! "All the way over there!" You make it sound like it's a ten mile walk, uphill both ways.

It's a fucking click, dude. You're just being lazy.

1/27/2020 5:59:05 PM

horosho
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"You post on this site simply to argue and nothing else."

Well there is a lot to learn by sharing ideas, conversations and (gasp).....arguments with people who think differently than you. You should try it. Staying in your echochamber leads to groupthink.

So we're labeling a political minority as a troll simply because they break from the group. I think its funny how out a group of people who claim to be against fascism, no one steps up when actual fascism breaks out in their lives on their message board.
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"Excuse me, everything you post is contrarian."

I disagree, I think most of my takes, including the one that its offensive to say political opponents are going to hell are actually quite popular. Just because they don't align with YOU or the poster I'm responding to, doesn't make them contrarian.


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"But... you just came on here to do this exact thing about Tucker Carlson.

Hmmmm."

Yeah a far right host on a far right network defending a left wing candidate is counterintuitive and especially noteworthy considering a lot of people think everything on that network is blandly right. I'm making that continuing argument that right wingers can have integrity. Thats another statement that is quite popular but may be viewed as contrarian because it goes against someone's groupthink.


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"Personally, I think offending evangelicals is fantastic. I would pay good money in order to see more evangelicals offended. I dream of a future where evangelicals have been so offended and embarrassed they're too ashamed to admit they are evangelicals in public."

Yeah thats exactly why Trump is the president.

1/27/2020 7:04:18 PM

Cabbage
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LOL! So I gotta kiss evangelical ass to get rid of Trump?


Not gonna happen.

1/27/2020 7:23:49 PM

Cherokee
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If you have a problem with comedy, no matter how extreme that comedy is, then you're absolutely no different nor better than the politically correct crowd. Free speech is free speech. Get over it.

1/27/2020 8:03:45 PM

GenghisJohn
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Not at all what free speech is.

1/27/2020 10:37:05 PM

NyM410
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https://twitter.com/dailycaller/status/1222134897004961793?s=21

This lifelong conservative Rick Wilson is going to be all over the place as an example of “why Trump will win” again but why does no one act like Trump dumping all over blue states and especially urban areas is the exact same thing?

I’ve often wondered this and the ONLY viable reason I can think of is that people get way more offended when the targets are white people than if they are are a diverse cross-section of people.

Change my mind.

[Edited on January 28, 2020 at 8:09 AM. Reason : Also, Hannity and Tucker say far worse nightly. HACK GAP.]

1/28/2020 8:08:02 AM

daaave
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For horosho

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/11/the-preppy-populist/

1/28/2020 8:45:24 PM

rwoody
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Joy Reid took the Haberman route today and rt'ed the Bernie perfume ad asking it was real. Imagine even pretending to be a journalist.

1/28/2020 11:01:07 PM

horosho
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Theres a lot there to unpack.

First, I don't like the notion that anyone who has a nationalist view on immigration and populist domestic views is a hypocrite. Why can't we just welcome their populism and accept that they see immigration differently? Although I disagree with these nationalist views on immigration and agree that they are xenophobic and/or racist (in origin), I'd rather agree to disagree with these types of people on immigration and accept their views as genuine than push them away.

I don't believe the xenophobic and/or racist views towards immigrants comes from malt-intent but rather from ignorance and insecurity. Most of the people who hold these views haven't been afforded the privilege and opportunity to travel all over the world and realize that we are all one humanity and I don't think its fair to blame them for that. We have a big country and were all brainwashed from a young age that there was something special about our culture and the way our society functions. Something unique that could be found nowhere else in the world. Thats a lot to overcome and the people afraid of foreigners ruining it are mostly victims of brainwashing.

Lastly, I favor open borders not because its better for me or better for the economy overall, but simply because my moral compass tells me that its the right thing to do based on history and my moral objection to borders in general. Thats my opinion and may or may not be supported by facts. It would not be fair for me to judge anyone who doesn't hold that same moral opinion as I do.

if we start to look at their points on immigration, a lot of them are based on truths that exist in our current system and have nothing to do with race.

"Taking our jobs":If you work what capitalists refer to as "low skilled labor", there are only a certain amount of jobs to go around and immigrants will compete with you for that. If the supply of workers go up, people that don't have the privilege of higher education or additional layers of skill have nothing but more competition. This is the same kind of problem as automation but with immigrants instead of machines. non college rural whites suffer the most while elites profit from lower costs of labor and the middle class gets to buy cheaper goods. More resources naturally become focused on more populated areas with the influx of immigrants and the immigrants benefit from them faster than the people who have always been in the rural areas thus passing those people. The best case scenario for these lower class rural folks is to have to move to a bigger city. We don't have a federal jobs guarantee. We don't have something like UBI to insulate our working class but if we did , then the costs of the program would be the concern which brings me to the next part.

Welfare to immigrants: There is a fair concern that costs a welfare system could balloon with unchecked immigration. This wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have a system that is so stingy when it comes to welfare but we do and theres a good chance in our current system, future entitlements could be cut if they grow to become too much of the budget. These cuts would certainly hurt the natives who already depend on them. Can you really blame them for being against any policy that might put more pressure on social programs?

The argument could be made that in the long term, our economy will become stronger as a result of mass immigration, and I believe this. I also think the Tucker crowd would favor immigration if they knew for sure it would boost our economic prosperity but theres also a real possibility that I'm wrong and the economy could end up weaker. Anyone who pretends they know the economic outcome of mass immigration far into the future is the real full of shit.

Bottom line: I think of immigration just like climate change in terms of people living in poverty. You can't expect people with no economic security of or security of basic needs to start looking at external problems like immigration and climate change. They simply can't give a damn about those issues until their basic needs are secure. Its unfair and frankly elitist for you to look down and expect them to care about anything other than their survival right now from the safety of your gated 2nd home and 401k.

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"LOL! So I gotta kiss evangelical ass to get rid of Trump?


Not gonna happen."

There is a middle ground between kissing their ass and going out of your way to offend them just for sport. No one's saying we should stop being pro choice or advancing LGBTQ rights.


[Edited on January 29, 2020 at 8:26 PM. Reason : as long as theres massive inequality, theres going to be racism and xenophobia]

[Edited on January 29, 2020 at 8:27 PM. Reason : i am "PC crowd"]

1/29/2020 8:11:21 PM

Cherokee
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"Not at all what free speech is."


Precisely what free speech is.

1/29/2020 9:14:22 PM

rjrumfel
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Dad just let me know that Rush has late stage lung cancer, so the right may be losing one of their loudest voices.

2/3/2020 3:02:57 PM

thegoodlife3
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" http://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1224765131139272705

Top-performing posts containing "Iowa" on Facebook for the last 24 hours are from:

1. Trump
2. Trump
3. The Onion ("600-Pound Butter Cow Sculpture Wins Iowa Caucus")
4. Daily Show
5. Andy Borowitz
6. Mark Levin
7. Fox News
8. CNSNews
9. Fox News
10. Bernie Sanders"

2/4/2020 8:25:32 PM

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