Good to know for the manuals. I was mainly curious because I've heard several times that the automatics overheat on the track even at stock power levels. Of course I would imagine most people that would take theirs to the track wouldn't order it auto

5/18/2012 10:11:18 AM

So only:
single turbo "kit",
intercooler,
METH injection
tuning
intake
clutch
made 644rwhp.

That's a lot of power, but then you've got meth injection with a bunch of extra parts running insane boost w/a huge turbo. I guess I'm not as impressed.

RE: Track worthyness, they go into limp mode with nothing more than a chip b/c of overheating. They also have inadequate brakes even at stock power levels, so yeah. Pretty good street cars (though I find the "hand me my seatbelt" crap annoying on the coupes).

5/18/2012 11:07:28 AM

^haha the little arms pushing up the seatbelts surprised me when I got one as a loaner.

5/18/2012 11:23:12 AM

Quote :

"They also have inadequate brakes even at stock power levels, so yeah."

Oh wow, I never would have thought BMW to sink to that kind of practice

5/18/2012 12:34:32 PM

Quote :

"They also have inadequate brakes even at stock power levels"

The 335i? They're more than adequate for aggressive daily driving imo, and I'd imagine nearly all owners would agree. In fact I think they're widely considered to be "above average" in class for street use.

Obviously you're talking about for track use though, so I can't comment on that...but I'd imagine they'd be fine for non-extended periods of time.

Probably comes down to what kind of driver you are and how long you're gonna track it at a time.

http://justbrakes.co/reviews/2012/02/05/bmwblog-track-review-2012-bmw-335i-sport/

5/18/2012 1:00:26 PM

If we're talking current (just released) 3 series, I have no first hand experience.

That said, very few street cars have brakes adequate for extended track use from the factory, so I wouldn't hold that against the piggy.

5/18/2012 1:43:10 PM

The brakes in the ///M are surprisingly good. A large improvement over the previous generation.

5/18/2012 1:45:19 PM

Happy 40th birthday ///.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=692266


[Edited on May 18, 2012 at 1:46 PM. Reason : asdf]

5/18/2012 1:46:29 PM

Quote :

"If we're talking current (just released) 3 series, I have no first hand experience."

Wait which 335i years are you talking about (stone was posting about a 335i which is what you were responding to)? I thought the brakes on all of them (if they've even changed much since 07) have generally been well reviewed/respected...

Quote :

"That said, very few street cars have brakes adequate for extended track use from the factory, so I wouldn't hold that against the piggy."

True...I thought you were using that against it. I was wondering what reasonably mass-produced cars have fully track ready brakes.

5/18/2012 1:46:54 PM

Quote :

"That said, very few street cars have brakes adequate for extended track use from the factory, so I wouldn't hold that against the piggy."

gotta swap in these!

5/18/2012 2:12:41 PM

S2000 is probably the only "mass produced", non ricer (and not Porsche) car to come w/decent brakes from the factory.

Xcellent point from mr. S60R. Those brakes were rather ///M-azing.

As for the /// having great brakes...
Brembo M3 brake upgrade kit vs. 90s Porsche (far lighter, and less power) vs. current Porsche:


[Edited on May 18, 2012 at 2:37 PM. Reason : S60R Woot!]

5/18/2012 2:36:30 PM

Guess I'm a bit naive then! I always figured the autobahn stormers would do just fine with maybe a pad swap.

5/18/2012 3:00:39 PM

Most of them will do OK w/a pad and some fluid for a little while sure. I mean they're obviously in another league compared to an Infinity or Acura or something but they're not up for sustained track use, but again not much is. It's all relative...

5/18/2012 3:16:23 PM

Quote :

"So only: single turbo "kit", intercooler, METH injection tuning intake clutch made 644rwhp. That's a lot of power, but then you've got meth injection with a bunch of extra parts running insane boost w/a huge turbo. I guess I'm not as impressed. RE: Track worthyness, they go into limp mode with nothing more than a chip b/c of overheating. They also have inadequate brakes even at stock power levels, so yeah. Pretty good street cars (though I find the "hand me my seatbelt" crap annoying on the coupes)."

i guess you would me more impressed with stock turbo, meth, intake, exhaust running 11.5? from what i have seen the meth cars are avoiding the limp issue. i have never had mine run limp. even with straight flogging through 421 in the mountains.

i guess my thought was find me another 4 door, that you can drive every day, that is under 4 years old and less than 30k you can run 10's in?

5/18/2012 5:31:55 PM

Quote :

"As for the /// having great brakes... Brembo M3 brake upgrade kit vs. 90s Porsche (far lighter, and less power) vs. current Porsche: "

Are those rear pads in the picture comparison? If so, isn't it expected that P-car would anyway need bigger rear calipers being rear engine car over front engine M3?

5/18/2012 7:09:17 PM

I would not be easily impressed by something running meth. People have made insane amounts of power using stock internals on all sorts of cars. Remember the Dodge Caravan turbo, pretty sure it ran 11s w/stock internals, I don't care. Somebody made over 500hp out of an S52 that was internally stock. All it had was a bunch of fuel, a giant turbo, intercooler, etc. What would impress me is if it made somewhere around 450hp w/JUST a tune. For comparison I made 310ft-lbs AT THE WHEELS in a Porsche 944 turbo with nothing more than some washers for the waste gate, a home made boost controller, cat delete (nothing fancy, shop in Garner for $50) and a $300 chip. In a car that originally made 240ft-lbs crank. Similarly I'm drawn to the 996 turbo that almost touches 500hp completely stock except for a tune.

Brakes: I actually don't think BMW brakes feel all that bad and they're not that bad really but they're also not "motorsports" worthy, unlike the engine and most of the rest of the car(s). Moot point really, as BMW is selling stupid crap like convertible M6 automatics and X6M, etc. Of modern BMWs there are only 2 I am interested in; e90 M3, M1. Nothing else they've made recently interests me and like I said IMO they're going downhill, fast (with inadequate brakes!) Now I'm not saying BMWs are worthless, they still make fantastic cars. Cars that I don't find interesting enough to drive, that's all.

5/18/2012 9:03:56 PM

ultimate driving mach.... fail

5/19/2012 9:22:47 PM

Never thought I would see the day when someone continually defends modded BMWs based on their quarter mile times

5/20/2012 10:43:04 PM

CONFIRMED: New M3 will have I6 with twin or triple turbo, producing around 450 hp. (I6 is the confirmed bit)

And ^^ will be called the M4 (and new 1-series coupe will be 2-series)

5/22/2012 12:08:46 PM

This new naming convention for BMW's coupes is another gay move in a recent long string of gay naming convention moves.

5/22/2012 2:02:59 PM

I wonder if they have forever axed the sedan for the M3, or if they'll bring it back when they super charge the twin tubro I6.

5/22/2012 2:25:15 PM

sedan should be there (M3) and coupe will be the M4.

5/22/2012 3:12:59 PM

Pretty stupid, considering the first M3 was coupe only.

5/22/2012 3:33:40 PM

Was that really a coupe though or just a 2 door sedan ??



Bahahahahahaha! Lol cause you know we have 4 door coupes now so... 2door sedan??

5/22/2012 11:01:36 PM

Not as cool as the i-series, but much cheaper, and you get to keep your 3-series looks: factory 500HP electric conversion kits from BMW

Quote :

"Instead of making purpose-built electric cars, the company -- which showed a converted 3-Series sedan and coupé at Maker Faire Bay Area 2012 -- provides affordable and environmentally responsible electric conversion kits for the BMW E46"

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/electric-motor-werks-hands-on-at-maker-faire-video/

[Edited on May 22, 2012 at 11:42 PM. Reason : 500 hp motor with 300 hp at rear wheels? somewhere there must be a typo]

5/22/2012 11:41:39 PM

Electricity :

A motor rated at 500hp will not make 500hp unless fed the power to do so.

My guess is it's lacking in voltage/amperage to produce its maximum capacity.

5/23/2012 7:38:14 AM

^^i can only imagine how much the handling will suffer.

5/23/2012 8:05:33 AM

yeah i thought the same thing but maybe they were intelligent with battery placement and it isn't that bad....


but probably not they probably just stuffed batteries wherever they had room and it will handle like a nose-heavy pig.

5/23/2012 8:09:02 AM

pretty cool idea, considering you could get a full electric car for 25-30k?

But what happens when you need to get some service done?

5/24/2012 5:19:55 PM

Quote :

"Was that really a coupe though or just a 2 door sedan ?? Bahahahahahaha! Lol cause you know we have 4 door coupes now so... 2door sedan??"

LOL... but your point is not all lost.

You know how the A4 has been turned into a coupe called the A5, and then the A5 (coupe) turned back into a sedan, but it doesn't turn back into the A4, rather, into the A5 Sportback, a "4-door coupe"?

Well, now they will do the same with the 3-Series, apparently.

The 3-Series will be turned into a coupe, the 4-Series (which already exists as the 3-Series coupe, although not for the current gen). The 4-Series will be turned back into a sedan, resulting in the 4-Series Gran Coupe, a "4-door coupe", similar to the 6-Series Gran Coupe.

5/24/2012 6:32:28 PM

Quote :

"The 3-Series will be turned into a coupe, the 4-Series (which already exists as the 3-Series coupe, although not for the current gen). The 4-Series will be turned back into a sedan, resulting in the 4-Series Gran Coupe, a "4-door coupe", similar to the 6-Series Gran Coupe. "

It is the other way around upcoming coupes will be 4 series and upcoming sedans will be 3 series. In other words, existing E90 335i sedan will become F30 335i sedan and existing E92 335i will become F32 435i (4 series). In the same manner upcoming M3 coupe would become M4 coupe.

sedan=3
coupe=4

absolutely retarded.

5/25/2012 10:36:45 AM

is the 1 going to become a 2 then?

5/25/2012 10:58:30 AM

yes, that's the word

5/25/2012 12:02:41 PM

Kinda makes you wonder what their next gay move will be.

5/25/2012 12:31:03 PM

rainbow colored exhaust.

5/25/2012 12:37:04 PM

↑

i wouldn't put it past them

5/25/2012 12:40:26 PM

im running out of cars that i like.

5/25/2012 12:40:56 PM

Quote :

"It is the other way around upcoming coupes will be 4 series and upcoming sedans will be 3 series. In other words, existing E90 335i sedan will become F30 335i sedan and existing E92 335i will become F32 435i (4 series). In the same manner upcoming M3 coupe would become M4 coupe. sedan=3 coupe=4"

That's exactly what I said

But I also said that they will also spin a "4-door coupe" (a sedan) off of the 4-series coupe, and call it the 4-series Gran Coupe, just like they made the 6-series Gran Coupe off of the 6-series coupe. (or like the Audi A5 SportBack ("4-door coupe") has been spun off of the A5 coupe)

5/25/2012 2:34:49 PM

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/3048343120.html


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6/1/2012 12:16:39 AM

that's pretty impressive actually

6/1/2012 11:30:16 AM

I.... what.... why?

6/1/2012 8:37:39 PM

Bought a 1990 E30 325i convertible yesterday, so I guess I've joined the BMW club.


Needs some work before its a daily driver . . . . overheats. Might be something simple, might need a head gasket (which doesn't look too bad on this engine). Runs and drives beautifully though while its cool.

6/4/2012 6:51:40 PM

flogged the shit out of mine on the way home and realized it is time for tires. i would recommend the nitto 555's to anyone. i will run them again.

6/4/2012 7:13:46 PM

Come on, step up to the NT-05. No balls!

6/4/2012 10:20:26 PM

Direzza Star Spec Z1s >> anything else price-wise.

6/5/2012 8:12:54 AM

i think i have michielin mxm4's on my 330ci? something like that. they do extremely well for daily driving in stormy ass charleston. driven through tropical storms and severe thunderstorms without losing grip on the road at higher speeds.

6/5/2012 11:02:13 PM

MXV4 is a pretty decent street tire for people that are sane. Michelin makes tires that nail compromises, they just cost more. If you can afford them, they make really good high perf. tires also like the Pilot Sport, Pilot Sport Cup and the Pilot Super Sport.

6/5/2012 11:26:56 PM

^^^ Disagree, I think that Nitto NT-05 is at least right there with them. Also, I've had multiple sets of both (but not on the same car).

6/6/2012 12:20:55 AM

I was considering one of those high performance ones a bit but wasn't really feeling the 4 hundred per tire I was quoted

6/6/2012 7:59:50 AM

I was considering one of those high performance ones a bit but wasn't really feeling the 4 hundred per tire I was quoted

6/6/2012 7:59:50 AM