can someone tell me why swofford is such a shitty commissioner?

other than the fact that he is a unc guy and led the acc through expansion, that in hindsight, saved the acc from getting trampled in the last conference realignments

[Edited on August 13, 2011 at 11:50 PM. Reason : .]

8/13/2011 11:50:16 PM

I could see texas going indy.

8/13/2011 11:57:25 PM

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"the Big 12 would likely be gone"

Texas would have to go Independent if they want to keep their 20-year $300M contract with ESPN for the Longhorn Sports Network. If they join any other conference, they would have to renegotiate that TV deal which means they would probably lose big money.

8/14/2011 12:01:34 AM

True, but I think it is more likely that they would go Independent than them saving the Big 12 (in the event A&M leaves). If A&M leaves, I can easily see the PAC-12 poaching at the remains of the Big 12. Whether Texas will be part of that, we have to wait and see.

8/14/2011 12:09:21 AM

If they can get FSU we are screwed. We then must get one more school to join. Clemson is out as a option for SEC. It doesn't the SEC to get Clemson as much as it does to get FSU. 20 years ago FSU told SEC No and joined the ACC. I believe they will stick within the ACC. SEC will have problems if they have 13 teams and can't convince someone else to join them.

8/14/2011 1:14:31 AM

they'll be able to convince SOME school to join, and they probably wouldn't completely commit to A&M without getting assurance from another school

8/14/2011 1:17:07 AM

Your right a school will join the SEC but will it be one that helps them and benefit them? Only time will tell we will know in a day.

8/14/2011 1:19:08 AM

the ACC needs to make a move now.

you guys are saying that going 4-4 in a good year would be horrible; it would be bad, but it wouldn't be as bad as playing in a non bcs conference.

8/14/2011 1:21:06 AM

If Swofford or anyone else of the powers that be has legitimate concerns that any schools are considering leaving, I would think they'd at least be in contact with some potential replacements

8/14/2011 1:22:45 AM

I think we go after Memphis if we need to replace a team. Gives us Basketball power and decent football school.

8/14/2011 1:25:52 AM

i think their academic standards are probably too low

8/14/2011 1:28:54 AM

^ Why we let UNC stay and they have tutors write their papers!! Its hard but we could pull WVU! Who do you think we would go for?

8/14/2011 1:35:56 AM

Syracuse

8/14/2011 1:50:46 AM

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"I think we go after Memphis if we need to replace a team. Gives us Basketball power and decent football school."

decent?? decent?? they are maybe a bottom 25 team in the country

8/14/2011 2:13:26 AM

^Lol that's what I was thinking. They went 1-10 last year....some people just don't have a clue.

8/14/2011 11:17:46 AM

memphis is far as hell anyway.

8/14/2011 11:31:02 AM

how does re-scheduling work for teams that change leagues, i cant remember how it went from last expansion but say a team in the ACC leaves for the SEC and that ACC team for instance has scheduled an OOC game w/ an SEC school, is it as simple as just calling up some other school to replace them in the schedule? I imagine you would have to settle for East Buttfuck St. since all those schools that matter already have their schedules set in stone somewhat

although I guess several of the ACC schools would have dates open up as well due to the move, so maybe just keep one of them on the new SEC school's schedule as an OOC opponent

[Edited on August 14, 2011 at 11:38 AM. Reason : ]

8/14/2011 11:36:38 AM

^SEC schools don't schedule big conferences anyway LOL

ESPN reporting its down to florida state or clemson. I am really dissapointed but hey, our division in football will be getting easier.

8/14/2011 11:40:50 AM

if ACC had to add one, I guess I'd choose UConn

maybe they can give BC some company rivalry wise

+ i think it would piss off Woodfoot

8/14/2011 11:44:06 AM

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"can someone tell me why swofford is such a shitty commissioner? other than the fact that he is a unc guy and led the acc through expansion, that in hindsight, saved the acc from getting trampled in the last conference realignments"

he destroyed the best basketball conference in the country so he could have this:

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"memphis is far as hell anyway."

so's Boston

[Edited on August 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM. Reason : /]

8/14/2011 11:45:06 AM

If he hadn't done it someone else would have.

8/14/2011 11:52:46 AM

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"he destroyed the best basketball conference in the country so he could have this:"

imagine how big of a deal this SEC expansion would've been had we not expanded back in the day. the ACC would be talking about folding.

also, there's little value to being in a basketball conference, especially if you don't even make the tournament. football drives the money, even if it's bad football.

[Edited on August 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2011 12:50:06 PM

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"also, there's little value to being in a basketball conference, especially if you don't even make the tournament. football drives the money, even if it's bad football. "

Since no one seems to be reading my posts, I'll repeat myself! State basketball makes nearly as much money as football. There are teams in the SEC right now with less profitable football programs than State. A move to the SEC doesn't guarantee more football dollars, but it almost assures fewer basketball dollars. To a school like ours, being in the ACC is everything.

8/14/2011 1:26:37 PM

I think our profits in basketball are ~5:1 where football is ~2:1 and football just makes a little more than basketball.

8/14/2011 1:52:02 PM

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"imagine how big of a deal this SEC expansion would've been had we not expanded back in the day. the ACC would be talking about folding."

We're almost to that point now. If FSU, Clemson, and say VT left (which I'd like to point out is the only success of the expansion and Swofford didn't even want them, he wanted Syracuse who hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire the last 10 years), we'd almost become the equivalent of Conference USA, or if not that, just a little bit above it.

I'm sorry, part of why I like college sports is the culture of it. I don't give a sh*t about watching N.C. State play a bunch of private northeastern schools.

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"also, there's little value to being in a basketball conference"

that's all the ACC was, is, or ever will be; how can you look at the overall performance of this conference for the past 20 years since FSU came into the league and think it's a football conference?

Let's compare the conference before and after expansion:

Before: #1 basketball league in the country, crap BCS football league near the Big East in quality

After: Big East used the removal of the 3 teams to expand elsewhere and became the #1 basketball league in the country, the expansion lessened the quality of ACC basketball by adding 3 deadweights that didn't care about the sport, and we're still a crap BCS football league near the Big East in quality

[Edited on August 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM. Reason : /]

8/14/2011 3:34:29 PM

look you stupid bitches, if you get a chance, pray State does it.

Trust me, it will work out. Games will be more exciting, other conference games will be more exciting, you will probably get better recruits, you will be on national TV more, tailgating will be more fun (you will have a TON more out of state visitors), road trips will be more fun etc.

Dont look at one year of income/cost figures, there are always things like stadium expansion and coaching buyouts to pay here and there so year to year the numbers will be all over the place. If you really think the average SEC athletic department is in bad shape money wise you are a fool. State wont completely disappear in football. They would be THE football team for the SEC in a pretty good state talent wise and a state that has a LOT more money than Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, etc. State football would get huge and there would be no reason they couldnt be competing in the SEC after a while (it will take a while, I admit, but it would happen IF they keep/get good coaches)

That all being said, I dont think State will even be asked to the dance, so none of you have anything to worry about

[Edited on August 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM. Reason : d]

8/14/2011 3:42:00 PM

thats what im sayin

8/14/2011 3:46:51 PM

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"Trust me, it will work out. Games will be more exciting, other conference games will be more exciting, you will probably get better recruits, you will be on national TV more, tailgating will be more fun (you will have a TON more out of state visitors), road trips will be more fun etc. Dont look at one year of income/cost figures, there are always things like stadium expansion and coaching buyouts to pay here and there so year to year the numbers will be all over the place. If you really think the average SEC athletic department is in bad shape money wise you are a fool. State wont completely disappear in football. They would be THE football team for the SEC in a pretty good state talent wise and a state that has a LOT more money than Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, etc. State football would get huge and there would be no reason they couldnt be competing in the SEC after a while (it will take a while, I admit, but it would happen IF they keep/get good coaches) "

That's pretty much the argument Texas A&M is making and I'm seeing a lot of 2-6 seasons in their future.

8/14/2011 3:49:14 PM

[Edited on August 14, 2011 at 3:54 PM. Reason : d]

8/14/2011 3:51:38 PM

the NCAA needs to step in and show honest efforts to implement a college football playoff if they want to keep conferences from cannibalizing one another.

The NCAA needs the ACC for basketball, so unless they want to see less money in March, they need to do something to stop schools from doing everything they can for favorable bowl match-ups in January.

8/14/2011 3:53:52 PM

8/14/2011 3:58:07 PM

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"the NCAA needs to step in and show honest efforts to implement a college football playoff if they want to keep conferences from cannibalizing one another. "

The reason the NCAA has not set up a college football playoff is because the schools won't let them because there's so much money for the schools in the current system. What's going on is groups of schools are trying to control larger pieces of the pie by concentrating it in fewer conferences' hands. The BCS did that originally by placing the power in college football in the hands of 6 conferences. What's going on now will in the end get rid of 2 of the 6 hands in the jar.

[Edited on August 14, 2011 at 4:00 PM. Reason : /]

8/14/2011 3:58:55 PM

^I agree with you on why schools are trying to control the pie. That's why I think the NCAA needs to step in and create some stability. March Madness is the biggest college sporting event of the year. I don't see any real reason to think that a college football system would be any different. Fans want to see it, and they would travel and fill up the bowls. You can still have your bowls, but just put them in a playoff order. But the NCAA, in my opinion, needs to protect the parity and give smaller conferences/schools the hope of having a shot at big money. I mean, we're getting into territory where schools are joining conferences that don't even make sense (TCU?, wtf?)

In the end, I don't see this trend as stable or even in the long-term best interests of the NCAA as a whole. It might help those at the top, sure, but it can't be good for the overall brand.

[Edited on August 14, 2011 at 4:06 PM. Reason : ]

8/14/2011 4:05:07 PM

Dweedle and I just stepped out of the meeting to report this:

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"The Southeastern Conference is not extending an invitation to Texas A&M to become its 13th member, but isn't ruling out adding the Aggies in the future. University of Florida president Dr. Bernie Machen said the conference's presidents and chancellors met on Sunday and "reaffirmed our satisfaction with the present 12 institutional alignment." "We recognize, however, that future conditions may make it advantageous to expand the number of institutions in the league," Machen said. "We discussed criteria and process associated with expansion. No action was taken with respect to any institution including Texas A&M.""

[Edited on August 14, 2011 at 4:07 PM. Reason : TWW News... out!]

8/14/2011 4:06:56 PM

they may have said more, but i drank too much punch and had to step out and take a leak

8/14/2011 4:08:04 PM

i think that means they couldn't find a 14th member (AKA no ACC team wanted to leave).

8/14/2011 4:11:11 PM

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"That's why I think the NCAA needs to step in and create some stability."

The schools are the NCAA. Even if the NCAA wants to do something, if the schools vote no, it won't happen. And if the power schools vote no and it takes effect anyway, they'll leave the NCAA which has long been rumored.

8/14/2011 4:11:48 PM

Fuck em. Let's do a preemptive strike and add Texas A&M to the ACC.

8/14/2011 4:14:30 PM

The "Ah, fuck it as long as you are on or near a state that is on a coastline Coastal Conference"

8/14/2011 4:16:18 PM

Goddammit, I just edited my conferences in NCAA 12

8/14/2011 4:17:18 PM

^^^^yeah, I dunno then. If the schools/conferences are going to actively shoot themselves in the foot for short-term success, then I guess there is no helping them.

[Edited on August 14, 2011 at 4:18 PM. Reason : ]

8/14/2011 4:17:46 PM

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"that's all the ACC was, is, or ever will be; how can you look at the overall performance of this conference for the past 20 years since FSU came into the league and think it's a football conference? Let's compare the conference before and after expansion: Before: #1 basketball league in the country, crap BCS football league near the Big East in quality After: Big East used the removal of the 3 teams to expand elsewhere and became the #1 basketball league in the country, the expansion lessened the quality of ACC basketball by adding 3 deadweights that didn't care about the sport, and we're still a crap BCS football league near the Big East in quality"

sir, you misunderstood. i meant comparing the choice of leaving for a super SEC or staying in an ACC that is raided of its football programs. not the expansion that was done previously to the ACC.

also, that is HUGE news about a&m.

[Edited on August 14, 2011 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2011 4:37:13 PM

clemson and any other non fsu/vt that declined an sec invite is retarded.

8/14/2011 4:43:53 PM

Clemson & FSU were never going to get invited to the SEC. Adding teams in states with an SEC school already there only hurts the existing members recruiting.

8/14/2011 5:15:12 PM

Well that was anticlimactic.

8/14/2011 5:16:18 PM

justinh524 is a dumb motherfucker

lets just assume that what you said would actually occur... do you think the following want to protect Florida and South Carolina's recruiting?

SEC minus Florida minus South Carolina



[Edited on August 14, 2011 at 6:12 PM. Reason : d]

8/14/2011 6:08:49 PM

tv markets tv markets tv markets

8/14/2011 6:19:53 PM

lol @ A&M not being accepted. they must feel terrible.

8/14/2011 6:43:57 PM

if TV market was the SOLE consideration then obviously Texas A&M would have been invited... there are other factors.

8/14/2011 6:46:23 PM

People who know more about this stuff than I do are saying that SEC is just creating plausible deniability in case of lawsuits. Apparently the same thing happened with Nebraska and it doesn't really mean anything.

8/14/2011 6:52:16 PM