NC State = 13th team of the SEC

8/20/2011 11:03:39 PM

state fans talking about getting invited to the SEC?

you guys are the worst sports fans in the history of the world

Have fun with liberty. Maybe you can get above .500 this year. =)

8/21/2011 4:09:31 PM

I'll bet you can't name 3 players on your basketball team

8/21/2011 4:31:35 PM

I honestly cant name 3 people on ECU's basketball team.

but then again I havent been on campus since 2005

8/21/2011 4:35:35 PM

Mark Bradley doesnt fuck around

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"The ACC has long been the nation’s most prestigious basketball league, but at a time when college football grows ever larger, basketball counts for less. The almighty SEC figures to try and poach a team or two from the ACC and the Big East and the Big Ten likewise could make entreaties. Is it possible that the ACC could, in the not-so-distant future, cease not just to matter but to exist? It was in 2003 that the ACC snatched Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech from the Big East, which appeared bound for oblivion. But the Big East, in a deft bit of damage control, grew to 16 teams and became the nation’s best — as opposed to the most prestigious — basketball league. The ACC, by way of contrast, has reaped next to nothing from its expansion. Since the ACC expanded to a dozen, only Virginia Tech has finished a season ranked in the top 10 of the final USA Today coaches’ poll, and in that span the Hokies haven’t cracked the season-ending top five. The SEC has won the past five BCS titles; the last ACC team even to play in the national championship game was Florida State in January 2001, which was so long ago Mark Richt, now the dean of SEC coaches, was the Seminoles’ offensive coordinator. The ACC’s ballyhooed basketball has suffered, too. It has become a two-team enterprise: North Carolina and Duke have won three NCAA titles between them since expansion, but the last ACC school to reach the Final Four other than the Big Two was Georgia Tech in 2004. Even more distressing, seven of the 12 programs have changed coaches in the past 17 months. Duke and Carolina stand as the two best basketball programs in the land — Kansas and UConn and Michigan State and Kentucky might quibble — but the balance of the league, once its regionally televised Thacker & Packer hallmark, no longer exists. Also gone are those days where every league game brought a full house at every arena. Five ACC schools saw decreases in home attendance last season, and three more had average increases of fewer than 100 per game The question, then: If football tepid and basketball is top-heavy, what’s the lure of the ACC? Tradition, yes. Seven of these 12 have graced the conference since 1953, the year it was formed. Academics, sure. In scholastic terms, this is considered the most serious of the six BCS leagues. But are history and academics enough in a business where millions of dollars flow to the schools that play the best football? The ACC is in trouble. Its image — and the ACC cares about image — has been sullied. Georgia Tech had to forfeit the 2009 conference title and was placed on four years’ probation by the NCAA. North Carolina has been hit with nine rules violations ranging from impermissible benefits to academic fraud. Miami could well get the death penalty in the wake of Nevin Shapiro’s jailhouse accusations. If you’re Florida State … if you’re Clemson … if you’re Virginia Tech … if you’re North Carolina State … do you want to stay in the ACC and play Class AAA football if you have big-league options? (And surely some among those will.) Are ACC matters apt to improve anytime soon? Is John Swofford the man to save his conference in the way Mike Tranghese did the Big East? And if Swofford seeks to raid some other league before his gets raided, where does he turn? Nobody’s leaving the SEC, and who in the football-playing Big East might be amenable? Louisville? West Virginia? South Florida? The ACC was a lovely idea more than a half-century ago: Schools of common interest in a tight geographic area. Over time, the conference has sought to broaden its base, which is necessary in a zero-sum marketplace. The reality, alas, is that the base hasn’t grown but thinned. This has become a strange-looking league with one toe in Boston Harbor and another in the sands of South Beach, and the football it plays isn’t very good. And football matters above all else."

8/23/2011 9:52:05 PM

Retarded

8/23/2011 10:06:21 PM

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"Five ACC schools saw decreases in home attendance last season, and three more had average increases of fewer than 100 per game"

Howeva

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"The SEC totaled 6,521,151 fans while averaging 76,719 per game, just shy of the SEC’s all-time conference record of 76,844 in 2008."

OMG SEC attendance is down from 2008!!

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"if you’re North Carolina State … do you want to stay in the ACC and play Class AAA football if you have big-league options?"

Yes, a hundred times yes.

[Edited on August 23, 2011 at 10:10 PM. Reason : ]

8/23/2011 10:09:55 PM

^ the SEC numbers there could be explained by UT alone... they lost about 2,000 seats due to club seats expansion in 2009

8/23/2011 10:26:39 PM

Shit like this just makes me dislike SEC folks more

8/23/2011 10:31:04 PM

? its not like an "SEC guy" wrote it, Bradley covers everything

8/23/2011 10:34:01 PM

No explanations for the ACC schools in the article, so there's no room for your excuses here.

I mean hell there are 12 schools in the ACC and only 5 of them saw any decrease in attendance, and 4 of them had an increase in average attendance greater than 100 per game.

DISASTER!

8/23/2011 10:38:58 PM

what? haha, I didnt write it, so I have no idea what "your excuses" means...

and what do you mean no explanation for the ACC teams mentioned?

[Edited on August 23, 2011 at 10:42 PM. Reason : d]

8/23/2011 10:42:02 PM

He went to an SEC school, but I'm not questioning his journalistic integrity. Just that when I read something like the column you posted, it's not that far off from the manifest destiny shit that SEC fans are always pushing. The ACC isn't anywhere near collapsing, but could definitely stand to shed a few schools. Football makes a lot of money, but no conference makes as much money from basketball as the ACC. It's also ignorant to assume that every fan of every team values football above basketball. That's true at most FBS schools, but not at most of the ACC schools that actually matter.

Were State to join the SEC (they're not, not in a million years, this is a thought exercise), my interest in college athletics would drop off the map. Not just because we'd never win another football game, but because I really hate the win-at-all-costs approach that SEC fans take. Bradley talks about violations popping up in the ACC, but that sort of stuff is a weekly affair in the SEC. Their players are beating the shit of marines! State playing with a bunch of non-qualifiers and dragging the basketball program (the only thing in our athletic department that has ever been worth a damn) into the mud makes no sense. I'm on the highest of high horses when it comes to this. If you can't win fairly, don't play. I'd rather lose than cheat. Joining the SEC, we'd probably end up doing both.

8/23/2011 10:44:15 PM

^^ your excuses:

Quote :

"the SEC numbers there could be explained by UT alone"

"oh the SEC didn't REALLY have less attendance, there were just fewer seats"

Quote :

"but because I really hate the win-at-all-costs approach that SEC fans take."

Actually their approach is "Win if you can but if you can't just glom on to the achievements of other schools in your conference to make you feel better"

[Edited on August 23, 2011 at 10:49 PM. Reason : win at all costs is the approach the athletics departments take]

8/23/2011 10:46:25 PM

double poast!

[Edited on August 23, 2011 at 10:51 PM. Reason : d]

8/23/2011 10:48:37 PM

well, there were fewer seats, its not an excuse, its the truth. I mean, I guess there could be fewer seats at all the places he mentioned, not denying that isnt possible.

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""Win if you can but if you can't just glom on to the achievements of other schools in your conference to make you feel better""

not sure what glom means but I think I get your overall point, and I think its natural when you are the target of all other schools/conferences.


^^^ but he is a Louisville fan, hes goofy like that

[Edited on August 23, 2011 at 11:04 PM. Reason : d]

8/23/2011 10:51:09 PM

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/glom

v.intr.
To seize upon or latch onto something: "The country has glommed onto the spectacle of a wizard showman turning the tables on his inquisitors"

8/23/2011 10:52:40 PM

check out the big brain on AndyMac!

8/23/2011 10:54:00 PM

They don't teach them words in the SEC

8/23/2011 10:55:17 PM

CONFERENCE PRIDE

8/23/2011 10:56:24 PM

I shall glom onto this so called glom word

8/23/2011 10:56:41 PM

I was not aware that glom was an obscure word.

It's used on occasion in my family.

8/23/2011 10:57:21 PM

Never heard it before, I am impressed.

8/23/2011 10:58:20 PM

Face it. TOB follows the rules way too much to play ball the SEC way.

Thats why your recruiting numbers suck and you still lose to cusa teams.

lol

paging twista.....

[Edited on August 24, 2011 at 10:34 AM. Reason : .]

8/24/2011 10:33:40 AM

Face it ECU is too much of an embarrassment of a university to join a BCS conference.

8/24/2011 11:19:29 AM

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"Face it ECU is too much of an embarrassment of a university to join a BCS conference."

ECU in terms of size of fanbase and people attending games are larger than Duke, Wake Forest, Boston College, Georgia Tech, and Maryland. And would they really be more embarassing than Miami?


[Edited on August 24, 2011 at 1:57 PM. Reason : /]

8/24/2011 1:56:05 PM

Embarrassment of a university

Not size of fanbase.

8/24/2011 2:35:08 PM

State is an average school

ECU is slightly below that

You don't get to act all high and mighty when you pay 11k a year

8/24/2011 2:41:57 PM

What's "average" to Slave Famous?

State is well above average public school, ECU is an average public school

8/24/2011 2:56:22 PM

http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/31544560

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"Texas A&M released a statement on Thursday saying that it had informed the Big 12 that it intends to explore the possibilities of a new conference. “As I have indicated previously, we are working very deliberately to act in the best long-term interests of both Texas A&M and the State of Texas. This truly is a 100-year decision,” said Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin in the statement. “While we understand the desire of all parties to quickly reach a resolution, these are extremely complex issues that we are addressing methodically. Ultimately, we are seeking to generate greater visibility nationwide for Texas A&M and our championship-caliber student-athletes, as well as secure the necessary and stable financial resources to support our athletic and academic programs,” Loftin added. “As a public university, Texas A&M owes it to the state’s taxpayers to maximize our assets and generate additional revenues both now and well into the future.” Now, this does not mean that the Aggies have left the Big 12 just yet, just that they're officially letting the Big 12 know that they're looking to. It's the "I think we should see other people" of the college football world. As we're all well aware, Texas A&M hopes to join the SEC, and the next logical step will be for the school to apply to the conference as its thirteenth member. While the SEC has made no formal invite to Texas A&M and has gone out of its way to make that point that the SEC didn't court the Aggies, you have to think that Texas A&M has a pretty good idea of what the SEC's response will be for the school to let the Big 12 know if its plans. When the SEC will make a public decision on whether or not it will accept Texas A&M as it's thirteenth school, we can't be sure. It could be next week or a month from now, all we really know is that today's move by Texas A&M made it a lot more likely that the announcement will come at some point."

8/25/2011 3:25:02 PM

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"You don't get to act all high and mighty when you pay 11k a year"

Well if that's the case, I guess the whores at Meredith got a better education than I did.

8/25/2011 10:21:18 PM

Not to mention State is almost always in the top "bang-for-your-buck" colleges...

8/25/2011 10:35:30 PM

anyone against this is simply a homer or too nostalgic to see all the benefits.

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"d dragging the basketball program (the only thing in our athletic department that has ever been worth a damn) into the mud makes no sense."

yeah we would lose our current basketball glory if we left the acc. too much to risk with the great job we are/have been having in the acc.

8/25/2011 10:53:20 PM

That's the attitude

Cut and run

[Edited on August 25, 2011 at 10:54 PM. Reason : I've won four straight lobby games. I'm coming for you E Man.]

8/25/2011 10:54:14 PM

Surround yourself with success

vs

Make those around you better

8/25/2011 11:02:34 PM

Football sucks

vs.

We can one day win something in basketball

8/25/2011 11:19:19 PM

why are the ECU fans talking shit in this thread?

8/25/2011 11:24:46 PM

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"If you can't win fairly, don't play. I'd rather lose than cheat. Joining the SEC, we'd probably end up doing both. "

LOL this is how I feel. State belongs in the ACC even if it becomes an eight team conference. I'd hate seeing the ACC pulling in schools like UCF and USF or god fobid ECU just to maintain a 12 team field.

8/26/2011 8:14:12 AM

State's not going anywhere. Tobacco Road is the heart of the ACC.

we need to pull in UConn & another school from the north east. we're trying to be a bigger better ACC, not SEC part 2

8/26/2011 11:08:36 AM

^ tobacco road may be the heart of the ACC, but the ACC may be dying. people are taking this lightly and they shouldn't, the ACC is right up there w/ the big east as first conference to get poached and disappear.

8/26/2011 11:38:55 AM

I'd almost rather the ACC disappear from a State fan's perspective than add another team from the NE that we have nothing common with. Fuck WV, UCONN, Cuse, and every other "new market" big east team they would try to add.

KEEP IT SOUTHERN. You know, playing teams in states that actually border us. Natural rivalries.

[Edited on August 26, 2011 at 12:07 PM. Reason : .]

8/26/2011 12:06:58 PM

I'd much rather have UCONN and Cuse than UCF and USF

We're the Atlantic Coast Conference...nothing about Southern in our name

8/26/2011 12:08:16 PM

I understand that, that's why I qualified my statement with "from a State fan's perspective". We, as a school, don't have a single thing in common with any of those teams.

KEEP IT SOUTHERN, B.

8/26/2011 12:51:58 PM

i disagree

nowadays if i see Uconn or Syracuse on the schedule, it means something
there aren't any southern schools that aren't already in the SEC that have the same effect

8/26/2011 12:57:46 PM

invite a mexican university

[Edited on August 26, 2011 at 1:21 PM. Reason : think of the telemundo/telefutura network deals]

8/26/2011 1:02:01 PM

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"the ACC is right up there w/ the big east as first conference to get poached and disappear. "

What about the Big 12. They are already being poached and have another team trying to leave. That conference is more likely to disappear than either the Big East or ACC.

UConn and Syracuse would be MUCH better additions to the ACC than UCF or USF. Plus both schools have strong academics which fits with the ACC's reputation whereas UCF and USF are meh when it comes to academics. Wonder if Duke and UNC would cry like little bitches again if we tried to add two more basketball schools.

8/26/2011 1:13:08 PM

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"nowadays if i see Uconn or Syracuse on the schedule, it means something"

How many Cuse or UConn fans do you see at the grocery store? (None) How many of your friends and family are fans of these schools? (None) How many sports writers and sports talk guys are spending time on these teams in NC? (None) How many students or fans are able and going to making drives up to watch us play away games? (None)

A little part of me would die inside if we had to merge with the Big East.

[Edited on August 26, 2011 at 1:35 PM. Reason : We might as well consider adding Baylor too when the Big 12 dissolves]

8/26/2011 1:33:29 PM

UCF is a total joke academically and would never never be invited to join the ACC. I'm not as familiar with USF but I'd bet it's in the same boat. They just don't fit the the Tier I schools (+NC State, Clempon, VT in Tier II?) of the ACC.

I'd vote for UConn and Cuse over those guys. We need to make the ACC into two 8-team divisions, North and South. That way tobacco road rivalries can be maintained, if they have a round-robin format for basketball divisions... we could add UConn, Cuse, Pitt, and a wildcard school (Georgetown would make sense if they jump to FBS for football)

Southern Division:

Miami
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Clemson
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest

Northern Division

Virginia
Virginia Tech
Maryland
Pittsburgh
Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Wildcard School

8/26/2011 1:34:22 PM

i said nothing about merging

8/26/2011 1:35:19 PM

semantics

you understand my point

8/26/2011 1:36:32 PM