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The Coz
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When you frame it that way, Alito pretty much HAD to do it! For the seat.

6/22/2023 6:52:25 PM

StTexan
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The Alito thing doesn’t really bother me

6/22/2023 7:45:43 PM

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Alito is the kind of guy who parks in handicap spaces because "no one else was using it."

6/22/2023 8:17:14 PM

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^^ why?

6/22/2023 9:38:39 PM

StTexan
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I feel like we have all had that friend that invited us on a fishing trip

6/22/2023 10:59:17 PM

rwoody
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Does that friend bring cases in front of you where you're expected to be impartial?

6/22/2023 11:03:54 PM

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Can’t both be true?

6/22/2023 11:08:37 PM

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^By "both be true", I'm assuming you mean: 1) There was a fishing trip, and 2) Cases were brought up, evidently with the intention of influencing Alito's decision.

But if both are true, that simply means you never answered the question of why it doesn't bother you. If both are true, you said you are fine with 1. Can you answer why 2 evidently doesn't bother you either?

6/23/2023 6:36:58 AM

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"I feel like we have all had that friend that invited us on a fishing trip"


wow. it appears that you don't understand the situation. Or you're trolling. Or just drunk-posting again.

6/23/2023 9:00:58 AM

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gonzales vs raich

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"Banning the growing of marijuana for medical use, the Court reasoned, was a permissible way of preventing or limiting access to marijuana for other uses:

Even respondents acknowledge the existence of an illicit market in marijuana; indeed, Raich has personally participated in that market, and Monson expresses a willingness to do so in the future. More concretely, one concern prompting inclusion of wheat grown for home consumption in the 1938 Act was that rising market prices could draw such wheat into the interstate market, resulting in lower market prices. Wickard, 317 U.S., at 128. The parallel concern making it appropriate to include marijuana grown for home consumption in the CSA is the likelihood that the high demand in the interstate market will draw such marijuana into that market. While the diversion of homegrown wheat tended to frustrate the federal interest in stabilizing prices by regulating the volume of commercial transactions in the interstate market, the diversion of homegrown marijuana tends to frustrate the federal interest in eliminating commercial transactions in the interstate market in their entirety. In both cases, the regulation is squarely within Congress' commerce power because production of the commodity meant for home consumption, be it wheat or marijuana, has a substantial effect on supply and demand in the national market for that commodity."


I like this dissent
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"Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana. If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything—and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers."

6/25/2023 1:19:59 AM

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https://theintercept.com/2023/06/26/samuel-alito-oil-gas-supreme-court-environment/

Wife leased land to O&G while Alito heard EPA caaes

6/26/2023 7:40:44 PM

The Coz
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Whoops!

6/27/2023 6:29:55 AM

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independent legislature theory shot down, thank god

6/27/2023 10:54:45 AM

emnsk
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nullification theory

6/27/2023 11:03:42 AM

emnsk
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also... a lotta selective reporting on alito

I don't even really like his judicial philosophy or whatever the term is, but it is quite easy to twist these situations.

alito recuses himself the most on the court

Singer's name wasn't even on the court documents.

in rich/elite/academic whatever circles, you inadvertently meet people and go stuff all the time. not disclosing a few trips with a friend, I don't see as the biggest deal. especially given that hospitality doesn't count as something that should be disclosed. if he did disclose it, there wouldn't have been much outrage (considering nearly all the justices really hjave the same thing going on in some way of the other). so it is okay to be 'influenced' as long as you disclose it?
also, the Judicial Conference gave advice to others in line with what alito did

I don't or don't recall seeing much outrage over:
- ginsburg (rip) receiving transport and lodging when going to israel by billionare kahn, who had business in the court
- kagan in the harvard discrimination case, not recusing ("teaches" there, paid employee)
- sotomayor not recusing in her publisher cases
- jackson not recording certain lines of income (her husband consults on litigation too)
- and much more

I am, a 100%, in belief that our government systems are very indirectly corrupt at times
but this just seems like one of those frenzies that don't really mean much

this reminds me of how people are mocking that sub for using a game controller

the court honestly filters itself out of the usual corrupt political lot.
there is a lot more money to be made for people of their caliber in private affairs
focus more on congress

I don't deny that there should be a more strict process (it is only in the interest of the supreme court, so that their reputation may be greater) and that indirectly, all of our government is muddled by varying amounts

when we are sitting in the 3rd person, it is easy to twist certain things in our mind to appear a certain way (whether it is true or not)

hell, I bet a lot of these questionable cases have to do with the inner ego of justices for not wanting to be questioned on their integrity
Actually this might just be my main point here lol

edit: there isn't always an evil guy in every story

[Edited on June 27, 2023 at 12:17 PM. Reason : --]

6/27/2023 12:15:18 PM

The Coz
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Affirmative Action in college admissions bites the dust.

6/29/2023 10:54:05 AM

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Peter Sagal on Twitter:
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"One more time: listen to the most recent season of “Slow Burn,” which shows via careful reporting that Clarence Thomas benefitted from racial preferences through his entire career. College to law school to every single job he ever had, including his current one.
Nothing wrong with this! You hear (to take but one example) Sen Danforth say he wanted his staff as Missouri AG to be more diverse, to better reflect and serve his state. But it’s also clear that this knowledge of what lay behind his rise really angers Thomas.
Just started to read AJ Thomas' concurrence and... well... if you want to know his inner feelings about racial preferences and what he perceives to be their costs, it's all right there. His characterization of AJ Jackson's dissent is exceptionally revealing."


KBJ dissent snippet


[Edited on June 29, 2023 at 11:58 AM. Reason : E]

6/29/2023 11:55:47 AM

rjrumfel
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Universities can still lean on socioeconomic status as a workaround. Not that it will include everyone who would have been admitted by affirmative action, but will still help out disadvantaged people get into college.

6/29/2023 1:19:30 PM

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They exempted military academies from the ban on using race which is telling.

Of course they are workarounds but it’s annoying they know society of racist but are choosing to make dealing with this more difficult

6/30/2023 12:32:00 AM

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It's wild that they used the end of racism as their reasoning for gutting the CRA, after which, legislatures across the country began curtailing voting rights for minorities, and now they're using the same reasoning to restrict the use of affirmative action.

6/30/2023 9:29:29 AM

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SCOTUS is on a roll this week.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/supreme-court-same-sex-couples_n_6481d91de4b025003edbde97

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"In 303 Creative v. Elenis, amateur web designer Lori Smith asked the court to grant her the right under the First Amendment to refuse service to gay and lesbian couples due to her Christian religious beliefs. But Smith's request was wholly speculative. She had not been hired to make a website for a same-sex couple and, therefore, had never refused such work. In fact, she's never made a single wedding website...

In a 6-3 vote, the court's conservatives ruled that a civil rights law in Colorado that bars anti-LGBTQ+ discrimination violated Smith's First Amendment speech rights."

6/30/2023 10:42:17 AM

emnsk
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Genuinely wondering

why exactly is affirmative action so important

like apart from any legal reasoning in the case

if we can just focus on socioeconomic reasons, what's wrong

6/30/2023 10:54:12 AM

emnsk
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^^^^^^

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"One more time: listen to the most recent season of “Slow Burn,” which shows via careful reporting that Clarence Thomas benefitted from racial preferences through his entire career. College to law school to every single job he ever had, including his current one."


Clarence thomas sure isn't rhe best guy or anything, but this reads like when someone makes
fun of a communist for going to starbucks

and that part of the dissent reads like a politician's work
I do respect her though, her stuff has been interesting and she seems good to me

6/30/2023 11:01:24 AM

rwoody
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I don't think that comparison works when the person in question is making the rules. Maybe the communist outlawing private coffee companies while hiring a private barista.

And scotus decisions are political, so it makes sense that portions of an opinion would read that way

[Edited on June 30, 2023 at 11:13 AM. Reason : Selling a bunch of Starbucks stock, then outlawing it, I don't know ]

6/30/2023 11:12:18 AM

utowncha
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student loan forgiveness is toast

6/30/2023 11:43:41 AM

Pupils DiL8t
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^^^^ Without affirmative action, couldn't a racist white person only accept poor white people? It's not like black people have a monopoly on being from a lower socioeconomic status.

[Edited on June 30, 2023 at 11:52 AM. Reason : ]

6/30/2023 11:52:36 AM

HaLo
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^^good

6/30/2023 12:28:16 PM

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Protected classes aren’t protected anymore. Yikes

Guess the racists are getting what they want

I don’t understand why conservatives are so happy about the student loan forgiveness being ended though. Makes no sense

[Edited on June 30, 2023 at 1:31 PM. Reason : ]

6/30/2023 1:31:25 PM

utowncha
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because its not their loan.

6/30/2023 1:58:56 PM

Bullet
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Because it's sticking-it to the libs (i mean, college-educated)

6/30/2023 3:36:54 PM

utowncha
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what makes student loan forgiveness particularly liberal? plenty of conservatives go to college (real college too! not just bible college).

6/30/2023 3:45:42 PM

thegoodlife3
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because more college educated people vote for Democrats

6/30/2023 4:18:47 PM

HaLo
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Some of us are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Since neither party wants to accept both tenants I will root for anything that meets either tenant

Also: loan forgiveness was an absolutely horrid “thing”. I can even call it a “policy” because it wasn’t.

[Edited on June 30, 2023 at 4:22 PM. Reason : .]

6/30/2023 4:21:25 PM

utowncha
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there is no such thing as fiscally conservative / socially liberal. if you dont want to pay for these programs then you are socially conservative.

6/30/2023 4:28:46 PM

rwoody
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I agree with utowncha!

6/30/2023 5:06:17 PM

emnsk
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"I don't think that comparison works when the person in question is making the rules. Maybe the communist outlawing private coffee companies while hiring a private barist"


Yeah, but SCOTUS' job is to interpret the rules to the best of their ability, not make law on what they think is the best for the people. A congressman is elected to support the interests of their people, a Justice is not.

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"Without affirmative action, couldn't a racist white person only accept poor white people?"

Doesn't the civil rights act cover this? what it someone of a protected class did the same thing, not that it happens, I do agree that structural racism is a thing

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"there is no such thing as fiscally conservative / socially liberal. if you dont want to pay for these programs then you are socially conservative."

that logic applies only to your personal morals, not to legal rights

[Edited on June 30, 2023 at 6:07 PM. Reason : 1]

[Edited on June 30, 2023 at 6:09 PM. Reason : 2]

[Edited on June 30, 2023 at 6:10 PM. Reason : if only we put pressure on congress instead of politicizing scotus!]

6/30/2023 6:04:55 PM

rwoody
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", but SCOTUS' job is to interpret the rules to the best of their ability, not make law on what they think is the best for the people."


That might be the job description but it's not how the court operates

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"if only we put pressure on congress instead of politicizing scotus!"


WE politicized it??



Also I don't know halos post history but he seems really bitter. It's one thing to not like a policy it's another to hope citizens get punished when it's rescinded, just weirdly cruel.

[Edited on June 30, 2023 at 7:30 PM. Reason : E]

6/30/2023 7:20:51 PM

HaLo
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Citizens aren’t punished right now. They just have to pay the debt that they took on. It’s not like SCOTUS said oh and you have to pay extra now. This was a horrible “policy” to begin with and would have set a horrendous precedent if it had been allowed to stay in place. Do we really want the executive branch deciding what debts are cancelled?

6/30/2023 9:06:59 PM

HaLo
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"there is no such thing as fiscally conservative / socially liberal. if you dont want to pay for these programs then you are socially conservative.
"


What a stupid fucking comment.

I’m okay with abortion (because really who am I or anyone else to say what should happen in any pregnancy) but don’t want the government paying for it but if someone’s got the money to pay for it by all means.

I don’t give a shit about any of the LGBTQ stuff let people live how they wanna live. If you’re christian, then your god will decide later.

I do want the government to run a semi balanced budget, keep inflation in check, and develop good fiscal policies that encourage personal financial responsibility.

6/30/2023 9:11:27 PM

emnsk
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^^^
why do you think so?

when I say we, I'm referring to everyone. congress, which is a sack of crap. outsourced anything meaningful to agencies and have a 24x7 game of screen grabs. and public opinion, easily swayed by headlines by journalists who read court opinions like they're Majorie and AOC going off
There are legitimate discussions to be had, but no one saying this stuff really has them

^
he knows what you mean by socially liberal and fiscally conservative. he is saying that true social liberalism must have economic "liberalism" too, which is predicated on equating positive rights to those negative

[Edited on June 30, 2023 at 9:14 PM. Reason : 1]

[Edited on June 30, 2023 at 9:17 PM. Reason : -]

6/30/2023 9:14:05 PM

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^^^
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"Yea i was curious if some of the folks that had discussed Biden's cancelation had also heard about this bill that would turn all the loan holiday time into missed payments and accrued interest. Seems extremely punitive to me."


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"That would be hilarious if the GOP did that"

6/30/2023 10:13:00 PM

HaLo
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^ [\sarcasm]

it would be hilarious because it would galvanize a voting block against the gop, not because it would be funny that people got screwed

Nothing about the scotus ruling means that the gop led bill will come to pass

[Edited on June 30, 2023 at 10:25 PM. Reason : M]

6/30/2023 10:24:25 PM

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"develop good fiscal policies that encourage personal financial responsibility."


Horse is out of the barn there, the rich/companies have ALL the power and no need to practice fiscal responsibility. Meanwhile, society spent decades telling that a college education was the only way to avoid working to the bone your whole to barely scrape by, schools don't teach any kind of fiscal education at all, and you think that punishing someone for getting locked into a predatory loan whne they were 18 will teach them "responsibility" as opposed to keeping them yoked to the wheel and spending 40 years paying for 4 years of education. It's criminal that public education isn't free or nearly so but instead reserved for people with well off parents, or those willing to take out the same loans, with or without awareness of what they're getting into.

Loan forgiveness is a chance to get those people out of the trap. It should absolutely come with massive taxes on the rich to pay for that and fund education so that future generations don't have to make this choice, but there are like 10 people in congress willing to go to bat for even the increased taxes part, much less the free college, so I'll live with making a few million people's lives a little better without that.

[Edited on June 30, 2023 at 10:30 PM. Reason : E]

6/30/2023 10:26:56 PM

HaLo
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Interesting take. I disagree.

6/30/2023 11:07:08 PM

The Coz
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"Loan forgiveness is a chance to get those people out of the trap. It should absolutely come with massive taxes on the rich to pay for that and fund education so that future generations don't have to make this choice, but there are like 10 people in congress willing to go to bat for even the increased taxes part, much less the free college, so I'll live with making a few million people's lives a little better without that."

SCOTUS says you WON'T live with it.

7/1/2023 2:13:30 AM

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I'm sure people who say student loan forgiveness was too expensive were also appropriately outraged that PPP loans were forgiven, which cost the federal government almost twice as much.

7/1/2023 8:35:26 AM

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I'd be all for student loan forgiveness (I stand to benefit) but not without some sort of preventions to keep the next semester's round of students from taking out just as much debt that was just forgiven.

7/1/2023 9:21:38 AM

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"What really stands out is the final paragraph of Chief Justice John Roberts’s majority opinion. Ever the institutionalist, he takes issue with criticism of the court by some of its own members who fault it for overstepping its powers. “It has become a disturbing feature of some recent opinions to criticize the decisions with which they disagree as going beyond the proper role of the judiciary,” Roberts laments. He argues that they reached Friday’s ruling based on normal judicial methods of statutory interpretation.

“Reasonable minds may disagree with our analysis—in fact, at least three do,” the chief justice concludes, referring to the court’s three liberal members who dissented from Friday’s ruling. “We do not mistake this plainly heartfelt disagreement for disparagement. It is important that the public not be misled either. Any such misperception would be harmful to this institution and our country.” "

https://newrepublic.com/article/174047/john-roberts-begs-liberal-justices-stop-criticizing-court

What a whiny bitch. As if Alito, Thomas, or Scalia (rest in hell) didn’t write opinions dripping in venom and criticism of other judges. Roberts only beats his chest about decorum when it’s liberals getting spicy and lets the conservatives piss all over the institution at their convenience. The partisan hackery is just getting unbearable. It’s getting hard to imagine a future where SCOTUS continues to operate without drastic reforms.

(This is a solid article worth a read btw)

7/1/2023 9:45:56 AM

rwoody
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Wonder his thoughts on the "normal judicial methods" on ignoring precedent for Dobbs

7/1/2023 10:23:41 AM

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"A Colorado web designer who the U.S. Supreme Court ruled could refuse to make a wedding website for gay couples had cited a request from a man who says he never asked to work with her."

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-gay-rights-lgbtq-website-385ec911ce0ca2f415966078eddb66da

7/3/2023 12:01:49 PM

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