Quote :

"A Colorado web designer who the U.S. Supreme Court ruled could refuse to make a wedding website for gay couples had cited a request from a man who says he never asked to work with her."

Does it even really matter now?

7/3/2023 3:44:38 PM

Just sucks that not only was it a horrible decision, it was based on fraudulent claims. Smarter people than me will have to determine if that matters, if it leaves any additional recourse.

Otherwise it matters just bc it should be broadcast to further erode trust in this institution and push towards reform.

7/3/2023 5:24:57 PM

It’s also just a massive symptom of the degradation of our legal system. I mean, our legal system has always struggled to deliver justice since the country’s founding, that’s a given. Despite its flaws, at least our legal system had basic rules that were generally adhered to. Even the rich and powerful had to show they had standing (real harm was being committed) before they buried their opponents with a battalion of lawyers. Now even these basic guardrails are collapsing at the whim of the extremist SCOTUS majority.

I personally believe this cynical attitude is trickling down to even simple business contract law. I’ve been on the periphery of business contracts for ~6 years now as a part of my job (admittedly a short amount of time and I still consider myself a noob). The amount of language that is being recommended by industry groups to tighten our contracts has exploded in that short amount of time. It’s whack-a-mole to address all these cases of sniveling weasel lawyers twisting clear language, rules, and guardrails to accomplish whatever Big Money desires. Judges being deficient or complacent is possibly contributing too.

And I just look around, again from the periphery of our legal system, and ask “How can good lawyers just stand by and watch this slow degradation of the very system that grants them professional status? The very system that our economic, political, and justice systems rest on? How can they not smell the smoke on the breeze?”

7/3/2023 8:37:06 PM

Yikes there is NO hope

Burn it all down

7/3/2023 11:48:29 PM

People acting like the world is ending now really need to do two things

read SC cases other than just the famous ones and see the stats on votes
read SC history to see how bad things once were not that long ago

And no, I'm not doing that boomer thing of saying "look how bad it was back in the day"
the point is, like what Roberts said, stop making every case you don't like about the legitimacy of the court at large, cause it might just be your own, often justified in a moral sense, but regardless, bias speaking.
and yes, as I've said before, there might be minor issues, but again not to the scale people make them out to be

I mean just look at all the cries over barrett and kavanaugh and look at their voting records now

Thomas/alito, I get your point I guess, but he's been here a long while, and while I disagree on things, am glad to have the diversity on the court for the long run. it is easy to let emotions seep into things and that's all I'll say on that part cause it is the nature of the internet to show all the highs and lows of the short term, but it all evens out eventually
but people will, as is normal and... to be honest okay, insult, everyone from whatever side does the other in their own ego. I try to ignore social media especially on these topics. I myself am not super educated on the matter, why read hundreds from who are even less or who I don't even know

also I'd say that the difference between what scalia for example and what some of the dissents now are, is both the current environment of the country, with online influence, and how his comments tended to specifically criticize the interpretations, whereas the current ones have been more about speaking to the politics of the nation than the law. I can't say about the other judges mentioned by some though, don't know enough.

in the end, the balance of powers is what is important. the SC hasn't been perfect, but congress and the presidency have historically done much worse. don't make a deal with the devil to get rid of a problem, won't work well in the long run. if anything, protest the bozos in congress who make tiny clips to rile you up, have dinner afterwards, suck off some sponsors, and sleep a peaceful night.
all they do is outsource any meaningful work to their sponsors and to govt. agencies who make decisions without any vote in front of the public, and then put on charades for us to watch on fuckin' cspan

some links to read:
https://archive.is/DCvFK (the economist)
https://archive.is/AfAnh (the washington post, more in detail)
I used the archive site cause of paywalls

last sentence: Sure Judges may, very occasionally, fall into some bias -- but in the process, in the short term, let us not sacrifice judicial independence and let it all fall into the hands of con-gress. life is long

[Edited on July 4, 2023 at 10:47 AM. Reason : --]

7/4/2023 10:35:58 AM

I disagree that life is long.

7/4/2023 12:51:21 PM

I agree on an individual level
but meant so more in context of the court

7/5/2023 12:46:48 PM

https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-other-billionaires-sokol-huizenga-novelly-supreme-court

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"A cadre of industry titans and ultrawealthy executives have treated [Clarence Thomas] to far-flung vacations aboard their yachts, ushered him into the premium suites at sporting events and sent their private jets to fetch him — including, on more than one occasion, an entire 737. It’s a stream of luxury that is both more extensive and from a wider circle than has been previously understood... Their gifts include: At least 38 destination vacations, including a previously unreported voyage on a yacht around the Bahamas; 26 private jet flights, plus an additional eight by helicopter; a dozen VIP passes to professional and college sporting events, typically perched in the skybox; two stays at luxury resorts in Florida and Jamaica; and one standing invitation to an uber-exclusive golf club overlooking the Atlantic coast."

8/10/2023 12:02:12 PM

...and nothing will happen and he'll just go harder to the right to keep owning them libs.

8/10/2023 1:04:39 PM

The Supreme Court appears to be more corrupt than I had even imagined.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/10/ginni-thomas-leonard-leo-citizens-united-00108082

9/11/2023 9:21:56 AM